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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:57:58 GMT
Wow. That was by far the best episode of Discovery so far.
Voq and L'Rell; Lorca and the agonizer:; Stamets and Stamets. The reveal, which I didn't see coming though, to be fair, I did say last week...
Called it.
Absolutely loved that episode.
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Post by azzajones on Jan 23, 2018 3:36:40 GMT
I can't believe the Lorca fan theory - that he was from the Mirror Universe - turned out to be right, I'd hazard a guess Lorca will be gone next season and Burnham becomes captain.
It's nice how all the pieces have fit together and things from earlier in the season now start to make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 20:07:47 GMT
It still concerns me that the least interesting and least likeable character is Burnham. Lorca has suddenly become even more interesting and yeah, we're probably gonna lose him by the end of the season. The problem with having so many threads is that they'll almost certainly drop the ball on one or two of them.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 24, 2018 16:37:12 GMT
The ST mirror universe is a cheap story telling crutch, they need to retire it.
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Post by azzajones on Jan 25, 2018 3:15:45 GMT
Started thinking I'd like Saru to be the Captain, although there's the possibility the prime Lorca is alive and he'll be found.
I'm kind of hoping they include a mirror Cornwell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:11:41 GMT
The ST mirror universe is a cheap story telling crutch, they need to retire it. Part of me is hoping they give us an explanation for the mirror universe -- or at least attempt to. A universe where everyone is evil and makes different choices... oh, except for the people they have sex with in order to guarantee that the same counterparts continue to keep being born without end. It doesn't even have to be a good explanation; just an attempt at one would be nice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 3:44:18 GMT
The ST mirror universe is a cheap story telling crutch, they need to retire it. Part of me is hoping they give us an explanation for the mirror universe -- or at least attempt to. A universe where everyone is evil and makes different choices... oh, except for the people they have sex with in order to guarantee that the same counterparts continue to keep being born without end. It doesn't even have to be a good explanation; just an attempt at one would be nice. I'm not sure what you mean by "an explanation". An explanation of what? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 12:47:45 GMT
Part of me is hoping they give us an explanation for the mirror universe -- or at least attempt to. A universe where everyone is evil and makes different choices... oh, except for the people they have sex with in order to guarantee that the same counterparts continue to keep being born without end.It doesn't even have to be a good explanation; just an attempt at one would be nice. I'm not sure what you mean by "an explanation". An explanation of what? Um... of what I said. The bit in bold. They live wildly different lives but somehow keep boning the same people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 12:55:55 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by "an explanation". An explanation of what? Um... of what I said. The bit in bold. They live wildly different lives but somehow keep boning the same people. Not seeing why that needs an explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 13:10:56 GMT
Um... of what I said. The bit in bold. They live wildly different lives but somehow keep boning the same people. Not seeing why that needs an explanation. You live in an alternative reality, you're evil (something else that needs explaining), you make completely different life decisions but somehow ALWAYS have sex with the same people that your counterparts in the prime universe are having sex with. I think the sensitivity to light stuff was a nice first step in explaining that these people are biologically different (which is a start) to their prime counterparts but I'd like them to go a little further in explaining the evil and their sexual attraction to the same people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 14:14:40 GMT
Not seeing why that needs an explanation. You live in an alternative reality, you're evil (something else that needs explaining), you make completely different life decisions but somehow ALWAYS have sex with the same people that your counterparts in the prime universe are having sex with. Yeah, just describing it over and over doesn't actually turn it into some inexplicable mystery. People make inverted moral choices. People wind up pairing off with the same people. So what? Why is this an issue? Well it does demonstrate that this is not "the" mirror universe, but some other. Yeah, okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 14:47:40 GMT
You live in an alternative reality, you're evil (something else that needs explaining), you make completely different life decisions but somehow ALWAYS have sex with the same people that your counterparts in the prime universe are having sex with. Yeah, just describing it over and over doesn't actually turn it into some inexplicable mystery. People make inverted moral choices. People wind up pairing off with the same people. So what? Why is this an issue? It's an issue because people are killed and die etc. In the mirror universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf -- they all exist. Which means every single one of their parents had sex, every single one of their grandparents had sex, and every single one of their great grandparents had sex... with the exact same people as the prime universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf parents, grand parents, and great grand parents. They've lived wildly different lives, travelled totally different parts of the galaxy yet have ALWAYS managed to mate with the exact same people as their prime universe counterparts. And who says this isn't 'the' mirror universe? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 15:20:39 GMT
Yeah, just describing it over and over doesn't actually turn it into some inexplicable mystery. People make inverted moral choices. People wind up pairing off with the same people. So what? Why is this an issue? It's an issue because people are killed and die etc. In the mirror universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf -- they all exist. Which means every single one of their parents had sex, every single one of their grandparents had sex, and every single one of their great grandparents had sex... with the exact same people as the prime universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf parents, grand parents, and great grand parents. They've lived wildly different lives, travelled totally different parts of the galaxy yet have ALWAYS managed to mate with the exact same people as their prime universe counterparts. Okay... The Discovery writers said it, when they decided that everyone is light sensitive for some reason. That's never been the case before. The TOS Mirror Enterprise was every bit as brightly lit as the normal one, for instance. It's only to be expected. If there are an extremely large number of parallel universes - as large as every possible outcome of every possible event, no matter how small - then there wouldn't be just one Mirror universe, but an extremely large number of slightly different ones. Which, incidentally, neatly explains why every possible variation of every action exists in combination with every possible variation of every sexual coupling in one of them, thus answering your question. So this is the one in which humans evolved with some kind of light sensitivity. Maybe Earth's sun is dimmer or something. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 29, 2018 20:00:58 GMT
Yeah, just describing it over and over doesn't actually turn it into some inexplicable mystery. People make inverted moral choices. People wind up pairing off with the same people. So what? Why is this an issue? It's an issue because people are killed and die etc. In the mirror universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf -- they all exist. Which means every single one of their parents had sex, every single one of their grandparents had sex, and every single one of their great grandparents had sex... with the exact same people as the prime universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf parents, grand parents, and great grand parents. They've lived wildly different lives, travelled totally different parts of the galaxy yet have ALWAYS managed to mate with the exact same people as their prime universe counterparts.
And who says this isn't 'the' mirror universe? Not only that, but on each of those occasions the individual sperm that fertilised the egg had exactly the same genetic content in the two universes - otherwise Kirk wouldn't be Kirk, he would be Kirk's brother or sister. The concept is of course absurd, but I am perfectly willing to let it slide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:09:31 GMT
It's an issue because people are killed and die etc. In the mirror universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf -- they all exist. Which means every single one of their parents had sex, every single one of their grandparents had sex, and every single one of their great grandparents had sex... with the exact same people as the prime universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf parents, grand parents, and great grand parents. They've lived wildly different lives, travelled totally different parts of the galaxy yet have ALWAYS managed to mate with the exact same people as their prime universe counterparts. Okay... The Discovery writers said it, when they decided that everyone is light sensitive for some reason. That's never been the case before. The TOS Mirror Enterprise was every bit as brightly lit as the normal one, for instance. It's only to be expected. If there are an extremely large number of parallel universes - as large as every possible outcome of every possible event, no matter how small - then there wouldn't be just one Mirror universe, but an extremely large number of slightly different ones. Which, incidentally, neatly explains why every possible variation of every action exists in combination with every possible variation of every sexual coupling in one of them, thus answering your question. So this is the one in which humans evolved with some kind of light sensitivity. Maybe Earth's sun is dimmer or something. But the sensitivity wasn't to artificial light, it was to natural light (the mirror universe apparently being... darker?) which we learnt when Georgiou opened the shutters. So there's not reason to believe that this isn't the same mirror universe. We simply learnt something new about the universe which doesn't contradict what's gone before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:13:45 GMT
It's an issue because people are killed and die etc. In the mirror universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf -- they all exist. Which means every single one of their parents had sex, every single one of their grandparents had sex, and every single one of their great grandparents had sex... with the exact same people as the prime universe Sisko, Bashir, Worf parents, grand parents, and great grand parents. They've lived wildly different lives, travelled totally different parts of the galaxy yet have ALWAYS managed to mate with the exact same people as their prime universe counterparts.
And who says this isn't 'the' mirror universe? Not only that, but on each of those occasions the individual sperm that fertilised the egg had exactly the same genetic content in the two universes - otherwise Kirk wouldn't be Kirk, he would be Kirk's brother or sister. The concept is of course absurd, but I am perfectly willing to let it slide. I'm not expecting a good explanation. But at least attempting one might be some fun. Maybe the mirror universe is uniquely connected to the prime universe for example and naturally flows as a consequence of the prime universe. Symbiotic in some way. I dunno, but a goofy explanation would be fine by me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:17:01 GMT
Okay... The Discovery writers said it, when they decided that everyone is light sensitive for some reason. That's never been the case before. The TOS Mirror Enterprise was every bit as brightly lit as the normal one, for instance. It's only to be expected. If there are an extremely large number of parallel universes - as large as every possible outcome of every possible event, no matter how small - then there wouldn't be just one Mirror universe, but an extremely large number of slightly different ones. Which, incidentally, neatly explains why every possible variation of every action exists in combination with every possible variation of every sexual coupling in one of them, thus answering your question. So this is the one in which humans evolved with some kind of light sensitivity. Maybe Earth's sun is dimmer or something. But the sensitivity wasn't to artificial light, it was to natural light Huh? I don't watch Discovery any more, so I'm a little in the dark, but wasn't Lorca shown to be sensitive to all light, no matter the source? And this was taken to imply that he is a Mirror guy? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:20:17 GMT
Not only that, but on each of those occasions the individual sperm that fertilised the egg had exactly the same genetic content in the two universes - otherwise Kirk wouldn't be Kirk, he would be Kirk's brother or sister. The concept is of course absurd, but I am perfectly willing to let it slide. Again - if the Mirror universe is one universe in a multiverse, then there literally any possible combination of events happens somewhere in one of them. This happens to be one in which events parallel our own but with a moral inversion. There's a universe without shrimp, too, and one with only shrimp. No more unlikely than any other universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:32:11 GMT
But the sensitivity wasn't to artificial light, it was to natural light Huh? I don't watch Discovery any more, so I'm a little in the dark, but wasn't Lorca shown to be sensitive to all light, no matter the source? And this was taken to imply that he is a Mirror guy? I think the assumption there was that the prime universe ship allows more natural light into the ship hence the existence and use of shutters in the mirror universe equivalent. Not sure. But it was definitely implied that it was natural light that was the problem. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 29, 2018 20:32:47 GMT
Not only that, but on each of those occasions the individual sperm that fertilised the egg had exactly the same genetic content in the two universes - otherwise Kirk wouldn't be Kirk, he would be Kirk's brother or sister. The concept is of course absurd, but I am perfectly willing to let it slide. Again - if the Mirror universe is one universe in a multiverse, then there literally any possible combination of events happens somewhere in one of them. This happens to be one in which events parallel our own but with a moral inversion. There's a universe without shrimp, too, and one with only shrimp. No more unlikely than any other universe. Good Buffy reference! |
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