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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 23, 2018 22:19:10 GMT
How the %$#@ did Martin McDonaugh NOT get an oscar nod for directing 3 Billboards!?!?! WTF!?!?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 23, 2018 22:47:01 GMT
Because the Academy was trying to make sure that no one of "importance" would be offended by an all-male Best Director card.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2018 23:13:11 GMT
I'm told this is a great movie because it's an actor's movie.
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Post by salomonj on Jan 23, 2018 23:14:20 GMT
I guess McDonaugh’s ass was curb stomped to make room for Greta Hagwig.
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Post by jonesjxd on Jan 24, 2018 1:47:01 GMT
I'd have snubbed it for Best Picture and both Supporting Actors too.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2018 1:59:26 GMT
I guess McDonaugh’s ass was curb stomped to make room for Greta Hagwig. PTA took his spot. Gerwig was already locked. (NOT that I'm defending Gerwig's direction. Putting aside my hatred for her screenplay, her direction was flat and unmemorable. McD deserved a nod just for the fire in the police station scene) |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 24, 2018 3:49:18 GMT
Because the Academy was trying to make sure that no one of "importance" would be offended by an all-male Best Director card. Huh? But PTA is the one who took his spot, not Gerwig or Peele. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 24, 2018 4:25:35 GMT
Because the Academy was trying to make sure that no one of "importance" would be offended by an all-male Best Director card. Huh? But PTA is the one who took his spot, not Gerwig or Peele. Well Peele is a male so he doesn't make sense to bring up. And I was going off of the nominations from the Golden Globes, in which McDonagh was nominated and she wasn't. Neither was PTA, I know, but Gerwig is the least deserving of the group and took up a spot to appease the people that were angry at the Golden Globe nominations. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 24, 2018 4:31:23 GMT
Huh? But PTA is the one who took his spot, not Gerwig or Peele. Well Peele is a male so he doesn't make sense to bring up. And I was going off of the nominations from the Golden Globes, in which McDonagh was nominated and she wasn't. Neither was PTA, I know, but Gerwig is the least deserving of the group and took up a spot to appease the people that were angry at the Golden Globe nominations. Peele is a black male. I thought you meant they had to fill both the minority and the female spots. I find it odd that she wasn't nominated for a GG considering her movie is one of the very best rated of the year and one of the 5 frontrunners for BP. I agree that she is the least deserving but that is beside the point. There are nominations every year that aren't deserving and many that make less sense. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 24, 2018 4:34:16 GMT
You can figure it out by a simple mathematical process. Since 2009 the number of Best Picture nominees was raised to a max of 10 (there are nine this year) but the Best Director nominees remained at five. A little subtraction will show everyone that there are four directors of nominated films left out of competition. It has to be that way. You can't put 9 bricks in a box built for five. They just won't fit. So McDonaugh came in sixth. He's out. He was not "snubbed" or "kicked to the curb." Neither because "The Academy" did not want another male nominee. There is no "The Academy" in the sense of a committee of people who make decisions on who to nominate and who to snub. It is an election, not a film festival committee.
Better luck next year.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 24, 2018 4:58:55 GMT
Well Peele is a male so he doesn't make sense to bring up. And I was going off of the nominations from the Golden Globes, in which McDonagh was nominated and she wasn't. Neither was PTA, I know, but Gerwig is the least deserving of the group and took up a spot to appease the people that were angry at the Golden Globe nominations. Peele is a black male. I thought you meant they had to fill both the minority and the female spots. I find it odd that she wasn't nominated for a GG considering her movie is one of the very best rated of the year and one of the 5 frontrunners for BP. I agree that she is the least deserving but that is beside the point. There are nominations every year that aren't deserving and many that make less sense. No, I see what you mean. I feel like I'm being an ass (apologies if it seemed like I was insulting you; I didn't mean to if so), but all the politics in these awards ceremonies really piss me off. I just wish they'd stick to movies and think about the actual categories more. For instance, Lady Bird is classic Best Picture material, but there's nothing all that spectacular about the directing. Other directors that were far more ambitious in their actual directing duties deserve it more. With Peele, I think he is more deserving than Gerwig for a Best Director nomination, but I don't think he did anything better than Villeneuve or Wright. His writing, though, deserves the nomination and I think the Best Picture nomination works fine with Get Out as well. I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 24, 2018 5:18:44 GMT
Peele is a black male. I thought you meant they had to fill both the minority and the female spots. I find it odd that she wasn't nominated for a GG considering her movie is one of the very best rated of the year and one of the 5 frontrunners for BP. I agree that she is the least deserving but that is beside the point. There are nominations every year that aren't deserving and many that make less sense. No, I see what you mean. I feel like I'm being an ass (apologies if it seemed like I was insulting you; I didn't mean to if so), but all the politics in these awards ceremonies really piss me off. I just wish they'd stick to movies and think about the actual categories more. For instance, Lady Bird is classic Best Picture material, but there's nothing all that spectacular about the directing. Other directors that were far more ambitious in their actual directing duties deserve it more. With Peele, I think he is more deserving than Gerwig for a Best Director nomination, but I don't think he did anything better than Villeneuve or Wright. His writing, though, deserves the nomination and I think the Best Picture nomination works fine with Get Out as well. I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. She isn't being given special treatment though. That is where I disagree with you. Most years the director nominations line-up with the BP frontrunners. The only reason you are making this so difficult is because you dislike the movie. What exactly makes McDonough's directing so much more deserving? I wouldn't say his directing is any more groundbreaking or ambitious. I also disagree about Peele. He is the reason the screenplay works so well and why the movie is so intense and disturbing. Writing can only take you so far. Lady Bird is very down to Earth and sweet and the reason the movie works as well as it does is because of her directing. You also have to remember that one of the main jobs of the director is directing the actors. I am trying to not be biased here. I mean Tom McCarthy also got a nomination for BD. Now that is a movie that relies almost entirely on the screenplay even more than Lady Bird imo. I have a bigger issue with Octavia Spencer's nomination for The Shape of Water. She acts exactly the same as she does in every other movie she has been. Why is Streep and Williams nominated? Because the Academy loves them. It has nothing to do with whether they actually deserve the nomination. |
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Post by salomonj on Jan 24, 2018 5:28:14 GMT
Huh? But PTA is the one who took his spot, not Gerwig or Peele. Well Peele is a male so he doesn't make sense to bring up. And I was going off of the nominations from the Golden Globes, in which McDonagh was nominated and she wasn't. Neither was PTA, I know, but Gerwig is the least deserving of the group and took up a spot to appease the people that were angry at the Golden Globe nominations. That's the way I look at it. It feels like a response to the GG backlash. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 24, 2018 5:29:51 GMT
No, I see what you mean. I feel like I'm being an ass (apologies if it seemed like I was insulting you; I didn't mean to if so), but all the politics in these awards ceremonies really piss me off. I just wish they'd stick to movies and think about the actual categories more. For instance, Lady Bird is classic Best Picture material, but there's nothing all that spectacular about the directing. Other directors that were far more ambitious in their actual directing duties deserve it more. With Peele, I think he is more deserving than Gerwig for a Best Director nomination, but I don't think he did anything better than Villeneuve or Wright. His writing, though, deserves the nomination and I think the Best Picture nomination works fine with Get Out as well. I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. She isn't being given special treatment though. That is where I disagree with you. Most years the director nominations line-up with the BP frontrunners. The only reason you are making this so difficult is because you dislike the movie. What exactly makes McDonough's directing so much more deserving? I wouldn't say his directing is any more groundbreaking or ambitious. I also disagree about Peele. He is the reason the screenplay works so well and why the movie is so intense and disturbing. Writing can only take you so far. Lady Bird is very down to Earth and sweet and the reason the movie works as well as it does is because of her directing. You also have to remember that one of the main jobs of the director is directing the actors. I am trying to not be biased here. I mean Tom McCarthy also got a nomination for BD. Now that is a movie that relies almost entirely on the screenplay even more than Lady Bird imo. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how her direction is anything special compared to several others. What about Wright's directing of several incredible car chases as well as several intimate character moments? Or Villeneuve's directing of a Sci-Fi mystery epic that uses a great ensemble and has great character moments peppered throughout all while being a visual marvel? Even Taylor Sheridan (who hasn't even been mentioned) put in a great directorial debut with several stunning and powerful moments in Wind River. Is she a poor director? No. Far from it. She's definitely leaps and bounds better than I could be. She just doesn't deserve this nomination if you ask me. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 24, 2018 5:34:18 GMT
I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. That is exactly what you are saying. It is just the old "I'm not racist but..." As I clearly explained in my post above, "The Academy" in the sense that a group of people get together and decide who will be nominated and who will be left out just doesn't exist. A voting population of over 5,000 people select nominees and winners by ballot. Every year we get this. When any woman or person of color is nommed or a winner, there is all this whining and outrage about "special privilege" because a white person didn't get in. People who have never in their lives, never in their imaginations, have thought, "He only won because he was white," get all over victimized because a woman or minority is advanced ahead of white people, esp. white males. I'm getting really sick of hearing it and love to call out the conservatives who pull this rotten stuff. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 24, 2018 5:35:24 GMT
Why is Streep and Williams nominated? Because the Academy loves them. It has nothing to do with whether they actually deserve the nomination. Now this I agree with. |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 24, 2018 5:47:17 GMT
I'd have snubbed it for Best Picture and both Supporting Actors too. Have you seen it? Cool avatar tho bro. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 24, 2018 5:51:23 GMT
She isn't being given special treatment though. That is where I disagree with you. Most years the director nominations line-up with the BP frontrunners. The only reason you are making this so difficult is because you dislike the movie. What exactly makes McDonough's directing so much more deserving? I wouldn't say his directing is any more groundbreaking or ambitious. I also disagree about Peele. He is the reason the screenplay works so well and why the movie is so intense and disturbing. Writing can only take you so far. Lady Bird is very down to Earth and sweet and the reason the movie works as well as it does is because of her directing. You also have to remember that one of the main jobs of the director is directing the actors. I am trying to not be biased here. I mean Tom McCarthy also got a nomination for BD. Now that is a movie that relies almost entirely on the screenplay even more than Lady Bird imo. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how her direction is anything special compared to several others. What about Wright's directing of several incredible car chases as well as several intimate character moments? Or Villeneuve's directing of a Sci-Fi mystery epic that uses a great ensemble and has great character moments peppered throughout all while being a visual marvel? Even Taylor Sheridan (who hasn't even been mentioned) put in a great directorial debut with several stunning and powerful moments in Wind River. Is she a poor director? No. Far from it. She's definitely leaps and bounds better than I could be. She just doesn't deserve this nomination if you ask me. I get what you are saying but I disagree. You are raising to different points though. You are complaining that she doesn't deserve the nomination because the movie doesn't require a whole lot of innovation and difficult set pieces but you are also compaining because you think she got the nomination only because she is a women and ignoring my point about Tom McCarthy at the same time. Did he deserve a nomination more than Tarantino that year? Hell no, but The Hateful Eight wasn't nominated for BP. I would agree that you may have a point about Wright deserving a nomination more than her but he was never going to get a nomination because movies that aren't nominated for BP rarely get a director nomination. I honestly don't see what is so special about Wright's directing. I don't think the action scenes are anything that special tbh. I'd say the editor deserves most of the credit for that anyway. The performances are fine but they aren't anything all that great. Lady Bird has much better character moments than Baby Driver imo. But this is the whole point - People disagree about what makes a movie deserving of a directing nomination. Here is the ultimate question. If Lady Bird was your favorite movie of the year would you still be complaining? My line-up would look nothing like the Academy line-up besides PTA and Nolan. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 24, 2018 5:51:47 GMT
I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. That is exactly what you are saying. It is just the old "I'm not racist but..." As I clearly explained in my post above, "The Academy" in the sense that a group of people get together and decide who will be nominated and who will be left out just doesn't exist. A voting population of over 5,000 people select nominees and winners by ballot. Every year we get this. When any woman or person of color is nommed or a winner, there is all this whining and outrage about "special privilege" because a white person didn't get in. People who have never in their lives, never in their imaginations, have thought, "He only won because he was white," get all over victimized because a woman or minority is advanced ahead of white people, esp. white males. I'm getting really sick of hearing it and love to call out the conservatives who pull this rotten stuff. I guess you can't read then. I don't care if someone is white/black/Asian/etc. or male/female. All I care about is that the best person for each category is nominated and wins. I'm not seeing that happening this year. There are plenty of years in which both females and minorities are snubbed in the Oscar race. Most recently, Creed was one of my favorite movies of 2015 and I was furious when neither Coogler nor Jordan were nominated for anything. That's not the first time I've felt that way either, so don't paint me as some kind of racist prick here. I love reading your dumbass excuses for everything anyone says that disagrees with you. It always boils down to you calling them a racist. Pretty pathetic. |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 24, 2018 5:54:06 GMT
I'm not saying that women and minorities should be shut out of award races, because that's obviously bigoted and stupid. I just hate when they're given special treatment. It's not fair to anyone else and it's not really fair to them either to be used for someone else's political agenda. That is exactly what you are saying. It is just the old "I'm not racist but..." As I clearly explained in my post above, "The Academy" in the sense that a group of people get together and decide who will be nominated and who will be left out just doesn't exist. A voting population of over 5,000 people select nominees and winners by ballot. Every year we get this. When any woman or person of color is nommed or a winner, there is all this whining and outrage about "special privilege" because a white person didn't get in. People who have never in their lives, never in their imaginations, have thought, "He only won because he was white," get all over victimized because a woman or minority is advanced ahead of white people, esp. white males. I'm getting really sick of hearing it and love to call out the conservatives who pull this rotten stuff. You try too hard. Why do you assume only conservatives and white people would do what you are accusing people of doing? Isn't that sort of bigoted? I learned a powerful lesson about that recently. |
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