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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 11:17:12 GMT
and it's not even close.
The only reason 'Moonlight" won is because of it's message. Look at the modern Oscar check list...
A) Struggling youth of some ethnicity outside of white (check)
B) Youth struggling with homosexuality (check)
C) Youth/Main character feels like an outsider and not accepted (check)
D) Main character is poor and overcomes circumstances (check)
E) Main character has a family member (mom) who is struggling with an addiction (check)
F) Oscars are making up for 2014 and 2015 #OscarsSoWhite
Then we have La La Land. A throwback musical about Hollywood nontheless... 10 guesses why that was nominated for 14 Oscars.
"Hacksaw Ridge" was about a real hero (sorry "American Sniper") and a man's struggle with convictions/morals and how he sticks by them, in the face of adversity. This is real human struggle, sacrificing life and death to serve a greater purpose (God, and Country).
What did the islamic black kid struggle with? What was he doing with his life that was so important? Do we just reward people nowadays for being 'different' and not killing themselves? "Congrats young Islamic, gay, black, poor boy who made it in life" He overcame childhood struggles to become a writer/director in Hollywood. Okay... That's a personal victory.
The character in "Hacksaw Ridge" was a real hero, but I guess because he had 'Christian' convictions, then who cares nowadays? However, this film showed us 'real' Christianity. Not that 'hoorah!" "American Sniper" version of a supposed Christian Soldier. It was well acted, well written, well directed, and well designed. It wasn't pretentious, it wasn't a propaganda film, it was just a human story. A REAL story about persecution and sacrifice. I can't help but think how little the kid in "Moonlight' struggled in comparison to Private Desmond T. Doss.
Have we really become such a PC driven society that we celebrate people like Bruce Jenner becoming a woman more than real heroes like Dr. Martin Luther King, JFK, and soldiers such as Doss? This Oscar season was the perfect snapshot of 2016 America.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2017 12:59:46 GMT
I'm going to sidestep the politics and focus on the film itself. Hacksaw Ridge was probably the strangest film I saw all of last year. The first act was beyond corny. It was like an exaggerated Norman Rockwell painting come to life (with the exception of the drunken PSD father). Then it switched tones when he joined up-- but the film still couldn't decide how seriously it was taking itself. The central character is taking harassment and beatings while Vince Vaughn cracks one liners about the guy who walks around naked. It just didn't work.
The third act takes war porn to new heights. I don't have a problem with it when there's a point, but this defined 'gratuitous violence,' even for a war movie. Though I appreciate someone willing to show how ugly war can get, they probably could have had one third of the gore and still gotten that message across. It's an amazing story for a true hero of the human race, but for me, the movie was all over the place. As powerful as the final act is, it practically becomes a Machete movie with the over the top brutality on film.
That being said, I prefer the third act to the cartoonish opening act of the film. That was borderline unwatchable garbage. It's too unsettled tonally for me to give it a high rating. Taken as a whole it isn't a bad movie, I just don't think it's particularly good.
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Post by THawk on Mar 9, 2017 13:13:58 GMT
Right you are but like...about 15 years late. To say that only now the Oscars has become this way is to try and legitimize the past 15 years of these "award shows" when they have been nothing but garbage. The ship has sailed a long, long time ago.
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Post by Jerk on Mar 9, 2017 13:15:37 GMT
I really enjoyed it but I dont know if I would call it the best movie of last year. It certainly wasnt my favourite.
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Post by deeznutz on Mar 9, 2017 13:22:57 GMT
It was a really good film, it dipped at times yes but was thoroughly enjoyable. Thing is mel is not the most loved guy in Hollywood so even if smashes films out of the park he has a lot of negativity aimed towards him.
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Post by Morgana on Mar 9, 2017 14:05:43 GMT
and it's not even close. The only reason 'Moonlight" won is because of it's message. Look at the modern Oscar check list... A) Struggling youth of some ethnicity outside of white (check) B) Youth struggling with homosexuality (check) C) Youth/Main character feels like an outsider and not accepted (check) D) Main character is poor and overcomes circumstances (check) E) Main character has a family member (mom) who is struggling with an addiction (check) F) Oscars are making up for 2014 and 2015 #OscarsSoWhite Then we have La La Land. A throwback musical about Hollywood nontheless... 10 guesses why that was nominated for 14 Oscars. "Hacksaw Ridge" was about a real hero (sorry "American Sniper") and a man's struggle with convictions/morals and how he sticks by them, in the face of adversity. This is real human struggle, sacrificing life and death to serve a greater purpose (God, and Country). What did the islamic black kid struggle with? What was he doing with his life that was so important? Do we just reward people nowadays for being 'different' and not killing themselves? "Congrats young Islamic, gay, black, poor boy who made it in life" He overcame childhood struggles to become a writer/director in Hollywood. Okay... That's a personal victory. The character in "Hacksaw Ridge" was a real hero, but I guess because he had 'Christian' convictions, then who cares nowadays? However, this film showed us 'real' Christianity. Not that 'hoorah!" "American Sniper" version of a supposed Christian Soldier. It was well acted, well written, well directed, and well designed. It wasn't pretentious, it wasn't a propaganda film, it was just a human story. A REAL story about persecution and sacrifice. I can't help but think how little the kid in "Moonlight' struggled in comparison to Private Desmond T. Doss. Have we really become such a PC driven society that we celebrate people like Bruce Jenner becoming a woman more than real heroes like Dr. Martin Luther King, JFK, and soldiers such as Doss? This Oscar season was the perfect snapshot of 2016 America. I agree with you. I thought Doss' struggle was a hard one. Gibson showed us what it was (is) like for someone of faith to face the horror of war and the struggle of trying to keep one's faith despite all. Though I wasn't a fan of the explicit gore the film showed, I thought the film, and Garfield, deserved the Oscar. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 14:11:17 GMT
Say what you will about Gibson, the dude knows how to make good movies....
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Post by musacha on Mar 9, 2017 14:16:08 GMT
I'm going to sidestep the politics and focus on the film itself. Hacksaw Ridge was probably the strangest film I saw all of last year. The first act was beyond corny. It was like an exaggerated Norman Rockwell painting come to life (with the exception of the drunken PSD father). Then it switched tones when he joined up-- but the film still couldn't decide how seriously it was taking itself. The central character is taking harassment and beatings while Vince Vaughn cracks one liners about the guy who walks around naked. It just didn't work. The third act takes war porn to new heights. I don't have a problem with it when there's a point, but this defined 'gratuitous violence,' even for a war movie. Though I appreciate someone willing to show how ugly war can get, they probably could have had one third of the gore and still gotten that message across. It's an amazing story for a true hero of the human race, but for me, the movie was all over the place. As powerful as the final act is, it practically becomes a Machete movie with the over the top brutality on film. That being said, I prefer the third act to the cartoonish opening act of the film. That was borderline unwatchable garbage. It's too unsettled tonally for me to give it a high rating. Taken as a whole it isn't a bad movie, I just don't think it's particularly good. Hey, I just saw this film last night and I was thinking the exact same thing! But my thoughts were more like "Corny to an Orgy of Violence." Neat. |
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Post by johnspartan on Mar 9, 2017 18:39:35 GMT
"Race" was by far the best movie of 2016, I can't believe it didn't get any nominations. I turned off "Hacksaw Ridge" after 30 minutes. I find it hard to believe the army would put up with Garfield's nonsense true story or not.
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Post by sjg on Mar 9, 2017 18:49:38 GMT
It was a really good film, it dipped at times yes but was thoroughly enjoyable. Thing is mel is not the most loved guy in Hollywood so even if smashes films out of the park he has a lot of negativity aimed towards him. I thought it was really good too. It builds from a slow start to an inspiring end. I was glued to it all the way through. |
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Post by misternick on Mar 9, 2017 23:47:40 GMT
Yeah but you're biased because you don't like minorities so how can I take your word for it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
Yeah but you're biased because you don't like minorities so how can I take your word for it? Don't. See it yourself and make up your own mind. |
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Post by schicklgruber on Mar 10, 2017 0:28:43 GMT
Probably the only decent movie from 2016.
Blah blah land bored me to tears and I wouldn't even download 'Moonlight' for free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 0:51:19 GMT
By far? What about the masterpiece of all masterpieces Moonlight? It did win Best Picture, after all.
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Post by The Duck of Death on Mar 10, 2017 1:33:27 GMT
Suit yourself. I know I'm in the minority here (at least on this board it seems), but I thought Hacksaw Ridge was quite bad. Moonlight was pretty decent.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 10, 2017 1:44:29 GMT
The Magnificent Seven (2016) - 7/10
that's the best movie of 2016 in my mind as it's the only one i scored a 7 or higher. for the record... 2016 is the worst overall year for me since 1998 as i would have to go back to 1998 to find a weaker overall year.
Hacksaw Ridge... i like the movie but it's nothing special. 6/10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 1:46:13 GMT
The Magnificent Seven (2016) - 7/10 that's the best movie of 2016 in my mind as it's the only one i scored a 7 or higher. for the record... 2016 is the worst overall year for me since 1998 as i would have to go back to 1998 to find a weaker overall year. Hacksaw Ridge... i like the movie but it's nothing special. 6/10. Did you see the movie Jackie? |
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Post by salomonj on Mar 10, 2017 1:49:35 GMT
The Magnificent Seven (2016) - 7/10 that's the best movie of 2016 in my mind as it's the only one i scored a 7 or higher. for the record... 2016 is the worst overall year for me since 1998 as i would have to go back to 1998 to find a weaker overall year. Hacksaw Ridge... i like the movie but it's nothing special. 6/10. LOLOL The Magnificent Seven was trash. How could you rate that garbage higher than a war movie masterpiece? |
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 10, 2017 1:55:40 GMT
@jamesavalon Nope. but i doubt my opinion would change given the kind of movie that is as those kinds of movies never stand out for me. my best guess... it's probably watchable enough for a viewing but i doubt it would be a movie i would see again and assuming my hunch is right a 5/10 (thumbs down) would likely be what i score it. but for measure... most movies i see get either a 5/10(Thumbs Down. usually decent enough to have seen once but has no re-watch appeal) followed by a 6/10 (a mild Thumbs Up). p.s. i have seen 60 movies that are 2016 released movies. salomonj simply because it's more enjoyable to watch. but ill have to see how it is on a re-watch as i have only seen it once so far. keep in mind... i think i lost most of my interest in that war genre as movies like Saving Private Ryan(which was the height of the genre quite easily for me a while ago), which used to be top notch for me, i only mildly like now. so it's not surprising if that's dropped off chances are it won't be easy for something to score noticeably higher than that (Saving Private Ryan for is now a 6/10, was a 10/10 at one point) for that type of movie. but given that kind of hero approach to Hacksaw Ridge it's not surprising it's overpraised as people are a sucker for those kinds of movies it seems. but one movie that still remains strong for me that's close enough to that kind of movie (i.e. war themed movie with guns) is... Apocalypse Now (1979) (8/10 ; within my Top 61 movies) but that's more of a atmosphere driven movie. p.s. ill say this about Saving Private Ryan... Aug 30th 2012 (around this time on back it was a 10/10 for me for years) but somewhere between there and my most recent viewing, which is Jan 2nd 2016, it dropped off. i simply don't enjoy it to any higher degree anymore. that Aug 30th 2012 date was my previous viewing prior to the Jan 2nd 2016 viewing. |
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Post by jesse on Mar 10, 2017 3:44:20 GMT
I loved HR, I didn't even mind the beginning which some people called "sappy".
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