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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 1:05:59 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything put into proper perspective, or have reasonable balanced discussions where Polanski is concerned, with the judgmental and displaced hatred of most of the herd who will respond here dirtypillows.
Yes. I especially agree with your comment about the displaced hatred, Toasted Cheese. I tried to be objective when I phrased the question, but I'm afraid most of the comments were exactly what I thought was going to happen. There is something very suspect about people who can seemingly gloss over the Holocaust and the Manson Gang and what they did to a young woman who is 8 months pregnant, but start foaming at the mouth at statutory rape. These people don't even care to know the facts and the fact that Samantha Geimer forgave him almost immediately. I really think that what people are so angry about is that he fled the country and escaped justice, to their way of seeing things, anyway. Why aren't these same people going on that the Manson butchers (aka, Atkins, Krenwinkle, Watson, Van Houten) were not executed? Because you know that they spend way more time being outraged at the "injustice" of Polanski's successful flight than they are about what happened to Sharon Tate, or Polanski's mother and sisters. To be honest, most of them probably don't even have any real feeling towards Sharon's horrible demise whatsoever. At least a couple of posters mentioned his movies. You and cheese should have a few beers together after your next NAMBLA meeting. Y'all obviously have a lot in common. Don't forget the roofies. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:01:26 GMT
Used to be a time when it was just the movies from the 70's.
And its terrible what he's endured in life. Victim of Nazi persecution. Sharon Tate/Charles Manson.
But the molestation charges... Bottom line? He never paid for that crime. He's not exempt because of previous suffering.
But I have to ask... exile? From where? From Europe because of the Nazis, or from the US because of the molestation charges? If its the former I have no sympathy. He spent the last few decades evading US law while living with all his money, making movies and having Hollywood actors flock to his locations. That's not exile. That's freedom outside of countries with extradition.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:02:54 GMT
Are you just making stuff up now, to deflect from what I asked? You asked me HOW drugged and raped a 13 year old victim was. Why would you ask that UNLESS there are degrees of being raped and drugged you find acceptable? Answer the question this time instead of deflecting. You are the one deflecting, because it's impossible to talk reason and sense into somebody who only thinks they know what they are talking about. Sorry, can't help you here. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:04:28 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything put into proper perspective, or have reasonable balanced discussions where Polanski is concerned, with the judgmental and displaced hatred of most of the herd who will respond here dirtypillows.
Yes. I especially agree with your comment about the displaced hatred, Toasted Cheese. I tried to be objective when I phrased the question, but I'm afraid most of the comments were exactly what I thought was going to happen. There is something very suspect about people who can seemingly gloss over the Holocaust and the Manson Gang and what they did to a young woman who is 8 months pregnant, but start foaming at the mouth at statutory rape. These people don't even care to know the facts and the fact that Samantha Geimer forgave him almost immediately. I really think that what people are so angry about is that he fled the country and escaped justice, to their way of seeing things, anyway. Why aren't these same people going on that the Manson butchers (aka, Atkins, Krenwinkle, Watson, Van Houten) were not executed? Because you know that they spend way more time being outraged at the "injustice" of Polanski's successful flight than they are about what happened to Sharon Tate, or Polanski's mother and sisters. To be honest, most of them probably don't even have any real feeling towards Sharon's horrible demise whatsoever. At least a couple of posters mentioned his movies. You and cheese should have a few beers together after your next NAMBLA meeting. Y'all obviously have a lot in common. Don't forget the roofies. Yes, we know what your inner most desires are. Nice that you project that onto myself and Pillows. Talk about deflection.  |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 4:12:58 GMT
You asked me HOW drugged and raped a 13 year old victim was. Why would you ask that UNLESS there are degrees of being raped and drugged you find acceptable? Answer the question this time instead of deflecting. You are the one deflecting, because it's impossible to talk reason and sense into somebody who only thinks they know what they are talking about. Sorry, can't help you here. You still refuse to answer, huh? Polanski said he drugged a 13 year old and had sex with her while she was unable to stop him. You think that is cool while I think it's disgusting. I'm giving you yet ANOTHER opportunity to explain how there different degrees or levels or whatever you want to call it of drugging and raping a person. If you won't even answer how can I come to any conclusion other than you are pro rape? |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 4:15:23 GMT
You and cheese should have a few beers together after your next NAMBLA meeting. Y'all obviously have a lot in common. Don't forget the roofies. Yes, we know what your inner most desires are. Nice that you project that onto myself and Pillows. Talk about deflection. You don't like beer? Okay y'all could have some wine then. My desires as concerns this thread is that Polanski be punished for raping a 13 year old. Yours seem to be the opposite. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:20:19 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything put into proper perspective, or have reasonable balanced discussions where Polanski is concerned, with the judgmental and displaced hatred of most of the herd who will respond here dirtypillows.
Yes. I especially agree with your comment about the displaced hatred, Toasted Cheese. I tried to be objective when I phrased the question, but I'm afraid most of the comments were exactly what I thought was going to happen. There is something very suspect about people who can seemingly gloss over the Holocaust and the Manson Gang and what they did to a young woman who is 8 months pregnant, but start foaming at the mouth at statutory rape. These people don't even care to know the facts and the fact that Samantha Geimer forgave him almost immediately. I really think that what people are so angry about is that he fled the country and escaped justice, to their way of seeing things, anyway. Why aren't these same people going on that the Manson butchers (aka, Atkins, Krenwinkle, Watson, Van Houten) were not executed? Because you know that they spend way more time being outraged at the "injustice" of Polanski's successful flight than they are about what happened to Sharon Tate, or Polanski's mother and sisters. To be honest, most of them probably don't even have any real feeling towards Sharon's horrible demise whatsoever. At least a couple of posters mentioned his movies. Yes, Mr. Dirty! All Geimer had going for her was her young age, which she constantly lied about, to get what she wanted. Most of the redneck, lynch mob trolls on here, haven't done much homework surrounding this case. All they think of is rape of a minor, who was plied with drugs and alcohol. None of which would have been easy to prove in court, had Polanski pleaded not guilty. They forget, or don't even know, that Geimer had been with older men many times before, and that her gold digging mother prostituted out her own 13yr old daughter as bait, to get back at Polanski for a NUDE PHOTO SHOOT. Where are the knives being sharpened for her. What about the other men who got with Geimer, and what about her adult 19yr old boyfriend who was having sex with her? Not to mention the lies that were told by Geimer. Then there are the legal issues surrounding the case and the unethical and illegal manner in which Polanski was handled. He admitted to having sex with her and was sentenced accordingly to the plea deal, that issue needs to be taken up with the Californian justice system, they offered it. Polanski did what was asked of him. They don't really want Polanski back, it will just open up another can of worms about the corruption involved, and not to mention how Geimer would be torn to shreds in a courtroom, due to the inconsistencies of the evidence provided. A rape charge was not going to be easily proven and the prosecution knew this. I wouldn't even be surprised if Polanski's exile was assisted, due to the unethical legal behavior of Judge Rittenband. It was to save him face. The thing that gets me the most, is all the phony sense of concern and care, for a now middle aged woman, who was never deeply traumatized by the event and they act as though she should be. No scarred and violated person would keep in contact and friendly terms with their vile rapist. Polanski is not the vile one, the dense, ignorant rabble in the pit are. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:22:58 GMT
You are the one deflecting, because it's impossible to talk reason and sense into somebody who only thinks they know what they are talking about. Sorry, can't help you here. You still refuse to answer, huh? Polanski said he drugged a 13 year old and had sex with her while she was unable to stop him. You think that is cool while I think it's disgusting. I'm giving you yet ANOTHER opportunity to explain how there different degrees or levels or whatever you want to call it of drugging and raping a person. If you won't even answer how can I come to any conclusion other than you are pro rape? Are you making stuff up, to try and sound credible now? Evidence please! I'm sure the prosecution would be happy to hear of anything they didn't already know to indict Polanski. You can come to whatever conclusion you like, my conclusion is that you are being a tool. |
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Post by deembastille on Jan 30, 2018 4:25:15 GMT
great director had some iconic movies.
Sharon tate: feel so badly for her and he must have felt quite guilty for surviving [he wasn't there]
1977... well the real hero in this is anjelica Houston who banged the door down. but, and i don't care what era this was, what parent of a 13 year old girl allows her to go to a photographer's house alone? behind closed doors? in a bedroom?
she felt uncomfortable during the first photo shoot which her mother had allowed [privately] and he had her pose topless. she actually said something but then relented and continued with another photo shoot. at 13 years old she was so played by her parents and him.
and what the heck was with jack Nicholson? they were at his house when he wasn't there [although his gf [Houston] was there, left and then came back. that alone is creepy and not necessarily Polanski's fault.
he entered a plea bargain and was sentenced to a 90 day psych evaluation [something that so needs to come back] but was released after 42 days. even the victim recommended against jail.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:25:16 GMT
Yes, we know what your inner most desires are. Nice that you project that onto myself and Pillows. Talk about deflection. You don't like beer? Okay y'all could have some wine then. My desires as concerns this thread is that Polanski be punished for raping a 13 year old. Yours seem to be the opposite. The only person that should be punished is you, for being a total tw@t. You are not concerned, you are a disingenuous and fake and phony transparent fool! Why do you care? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2018 4:39:13 GMT
He's not exempt because of previous suffering.
My point of view says that yes, he gets a free pass. I feel sorry for him. I think he's had a haunted existence. And the girl wasn't, apparently, all that traumatized. She says so all the time. If she can forgive him so easily, it shouldn't be so hard for others to do the same. You're right about my incorrect use of the word exile.. I should have said "self-imposed exile", or "fleeing the country". Good for him. He has self-preservation instincts. It's about looking for a scapegoat and somebody else to project hate on, due to insecurities in their own life. It is all displaced aggression issues that they take out of context and don't know how to deal with it. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 30, 2018 4:54:46 GMT
I think of him as a great director.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 30, 2018 5:02:42 GMT
And he's terrible because?
Terrible because he was placed in the Jewish Ghetto and had to find any means he could to survive by making foreskins out of candlewax to fool the Germans and avoid being shipped off to concentration camp, where most of his family and friends died. Terrible because his beautiful wife who was 8 months pregnant was disgustingly and brutally butchered along with his friends. Or terrible, because he was set up by a scheming gold digger and had sex with a very sexually experienced 13yr old woman child who was a scheming liar too and who doesn't really have a credible bone in her body when you delve deeper into the facts of the case?
So the bad things that happen to people should remove the taint of their kiddy diddling behavior?Defense lawyers should be happy to hear that. Not in a legal sense but in a psychological sense, yes. Most people can't even comprehend the horrors he went through before sexually assaulting that girl. He should be persecuted and pitied at the same time. I would have been on the edge of insanity by that point. I have a great deal of empathy for anyone that has suffered in the way both him and his victim have. |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 5:08:50 GMT
He's not exempt because of previous suffering.
My point of view says that yes, he gets a free pass. I feel sorry for him. I think he's had a haunted existence. And the girl wasn't, apparently, all that traumatized. She says so all the time. If she can forgive him so easily, it shouldn't be so hard for others to do the same. You're right about my incorrect use of the word exile.. I should have said "self-imposed exile", or "fleeing the country". Good for him. He has self-preservation instincts. It's about looking for a scapegoat and somebody else to project hate on, due to insecurities in their own life. It is all displaced aggression issues that they take out of context and don't know how to deal with it. Or it's that normal people are disgusted when adults rape kids or rape anyone for that matter. I feel badly that you lack any empathy for children or seemingly for anyone. Perhaps because your family never gave a shit about you and people find you to be a loathsome asshole so you want everyone else to suffer as well? Sociopaths share your same lack of understanding of how people can have compassion for anyone. Have you been tested? But if that moronic displaced aggression thing makes you feel better for not caring about rape victims then........... yeah. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 30, 2018 5:19:03 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything put into proper perspective, or have reasonable balanced discussions where Polanski is concerned, with the judgmental and displaced hatred of most of the herd who will respond here dirtypillows.
Yes. I especially agree with your comment about the displaced hatred, Toasted Cheese. I tried to be objective when I phrased the question, but I'm afraid most of the comments were exactly what I thought was going to happen. There is something very suspect about people who can seemingly gloss over the Holocaust and the Manson Gang and what they did to a young woman who is 8 months pregnant, but start foaming at the mouth at statutory rape. These people don't even care to know the facts and the fact that Samantha Geimer forgave him almost immediately. I really think that what people are so angry about is that he fled the country and escaped justice, to their way of seeing things, anyway. Why aren't these same people going on that the Manson butchers (aka, Atkins, Krenwinkle, Watson, Van Houten) were not executed? Because you know that they spend way more time being outraged at the "injustice" of Polanski's successful flight than they are about what happened to Sharon Tate, or Polanski's mother and sisters. To be honest, most of them probably don't even have any real feeling towards Sharon's horrible demise whatsoever. At least a couple of posters mentioned his movies. You and cheese should have a few beers together after your next NAMBLA meeting. Y'all obviously have a lot in common. Don't forget the roofies. Except the part about Toasted Cheese and myself having a lot in common, everything you just posted is the opposite of my reality. 1. I don't drink beer, and if I wouldn't give a potential sex partner tranquilizers because I want my man to be alert and enjoying himself - and I do mean alert. Also, and here you really ran with your pre-conceived notions of what someone who sides with Roman Polanski is all about. Just because I side with RP doesn't mean that I am attracted to adolescents. No, the most sexually desirable men are usually between 30-60. Younger than that and they've not yet lived long enough to acquire a certain masculine aura that makes them so desirable. Even when I was 19, my first boyfriend was 34 years old. I just like them older. Lucky me! |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 30, 2018 6:15:12 GMT
Yes, we know what your inner most desires are. Nice that you project that onto myself and Pillows. Talk about deflection. You don't like beer? Okay y'all could have some wine then. My desires as concerns this thread is that Polanski be punished for raping a 13 year old. Yours seem to be the opposite. Don't like wine, either. Sorry to tell you this -- wait, no, I'm not sorry! I'm happy to tell you this! It gives me great pleasure to tell you this: Polanski is not going to be punished for the 1977 statutory rape charges. |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 6:30:48 GMT
You and cheese should have a few beers together after your next NAMBLA meeting. Y'all obviously have a lot in common. Don't forget the roofies. Except the part about Toasted Cheese and myself having a lot in common, everything you just posted is the opposite of my reality. 1. I don't drink beer, and if I wouldn't give a potential sex partner tranquilizers because I want my man to be alert and enjoying himself - and I do mean alert. Also, and here you really ran with your pre-conceived notions of what someone who sides with Roman Polanski is all about. Just because I side with RP doesn't mean that I am attracted to adolescents. No, the most sexually desirable men are usually between 30-60. Younger than that and they've not yet lived long enough to acquire a certain masculine aura that makes them so desirable. Even when I was 19, my first boyfriend was 34 years old. I just like them older. Lucky me! Sorry about that but I still don't understand how anyone thinks a person that drugs and rapes someone should not be punished. It's also very odd that cheese keeps insisting that if you find raping children horrible you have to be pretending to have empathy. WTF?!!! I don't get the impression he's trolling either since he's said it many times before. Very creepy. |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 30, 2018 6:33:46 GMT
You don't like beer? Okay y'all could have some wine then. My desires as concerns this thread is that Polanski be punished for raping a 13 year old. Yours seem to be the opposite. Don't like wine, either. Sorry to tell you this -- wait, no, I'm not sorry! I'm happy to tell you this! It gives me great pleasure to tell you this: Polanski is not going to be punished for the 1977 statutory rape charges. So it gives you great pleasure that an admitted pedophile will go unpunished? WOW!!!! You and cheese ARE a perfect match. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 30, 2018 6:37:11 GMT
Don't like wine, either. Sorry to tell you this -- wait, no, I'm not sorry! I'm happy to tell you this! It gives me great pleasure to tell you this: Polanski is not going to be punished for the 1977 statutory rape charges. So it gives you great pleasure that an admitted pedophile will go unpunished? WOW!!!! You and cheese ARE a perfect match. Don't you have anything better to do? I don't understand why people continue having a discussion that just goes in circles. Even if the other user is a POS, what possible point does it serve to point that out more than one time? I have noticed that you are someone who seems to just enjoy confrontation for the sake of confrontation. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jan 30, 2018 6:50:54 GMT
It's about looking for a scapegoat and somebody else to project hate on, due to insecurities in their own life. It is all displaced aggression issues that they take out of context and don't know how to deal with it. Or it's that normal people are disgusted when adults rape kids or rape anyone for that matter. I feel badly that you lack any empathy for children or seemingly for anyone. Perhaps because your family never gave a shit about you and people find you to be a loathsome asshole so you want everyone else to suffer as well? Sociopaths share your same lack of understanding of how people can have compassion for anyone. Have you been tested? But if that moronic displaced aggression thing makes you feel better for not caring about rape victims then........... yeah.
I don't think this is about "not caring about rape victims". That's a pretty broad generalization. That would be like me saying that you don't care about people who have lost loved ones to the Holocaust or lost loved ones to slaughter, including Polanski's unborn son; for some reason, this fact doesn't seem to register in the minds of most people. Do people actually think that statutory rape is worse than an unborn baby being stabbed to death while in his mother's womb? If they don't think this way, then why is the statutory rape always the thing that gets all the hate? Are people in a nasty snit because Polanski fled? Why wouldn't he? The judge said he was going to make an example of Polanski and give him 50 years in prison. I don't blame him for fleeing. Also, he had being fleeing danger since he was an 8 year old boy during the Nazi regime. He hid out in movie theaters, for one thing. So, yeah, his horrifying childhood taught him the flight instinct. And in almost all his movies, there is a sense of paranoia, which came directly out of his formative years. So, yeah, he likely saw this aggressive judge as a threat, and his flight instinct kicked in. And I'm sure he doesn't care if a few silly people think he's a coward. Fleeing the scene has saved him time and again. I can't begrudge somebody their survival instincts. In this case, it is, for me (don't want to put words in Toasted Cheese's mouth, because, hey, he's got a toasted cheese sandwich in there) about being happy that someone who suffered so horribly (worse than you or I or likely anybody on this whole board) finally got a break. It kinds of balances things out. I am just curious as to how people NEVER say with any committed feeling how bad they feel for Roman Polanski. They gloss over the things that happened to him, but are so ready to pounce on the 1977 incident. There's just something very off about that. I don't trust what these people seem to be saying. I don't believe they are holding themselves accountable for their real, true feelings. |
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