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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 28, 2018 21:58:56 GMT
From what I can gather from the archaeological records, in the year 2013 people were upset with Superman breaking the neck of fellow Kryptonian Zod, when he vowed to never stop killing mankind. Now, what I haven't been to find is a similar outrage stretching back to Superman II roughly around 1980. Zod, now completely powerless and posing no threat to humanity, is tossed into an abyss by a smiling Superman. And yes, I am aware there was a deleted scene (thankfully!) that shows Zod and gang were arrested by the arctic police patrol.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 28, 2018 22:14:58 GMT
From what I can gather from the archaeological records, in the year 2013 people were upset with Superman breaking the neck of fellow Kryptonian Zod, when he vowed to never stop killing mankind. Now, what I haven't been to find is a similar outrage stretching back to Superman II roughly around 1980. Zod, now completely powerless and posing no threat to humanity, is tossed into an abyss by a smiling Superman. And yes, I am aware there was a deleted scene (thankfully!) that shows Zod and gang were arrested by the arctic police patrol. For me, the difference is Superman II was an entirely enjoyable superhero movie, so that minor detail didn't hurt the movie. MOS is just a complete pile of shit so that moment compounds the myriad of other problems that have mounted to that end point and becomes ultimately unforgivable. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 28, 2018 22:27:49 GMT
From what I can gather from the archaeological records, in the year 2013 people were upset with Superman breaking the neck of fellow Kryptonian Zod, when he vowed to never stop killing mankind. Now, what I haven't been to find is a similar outrage stretching back to Superman II roughly around 1980. Zod, now completely powerless and posing no threat to humanity, is tossed into an abyss by a smiling Superman. And yes, I am aware there was a deleted scene (thankfully!) that shows Zod and gang were arrested by the arctic police patrol. For me, the difference is Superman II was an entirely enjoyable superhero movie, so that minor detail didn't hurt the movie. MOS is just a complete pile of shit so that moment compounds the myriad of other problems that have mounted to that end point and becomes ultimately unforgivable.  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 28, 2018 22:29:40 GMT
I didn't have any problem with Superman killing a Kryptonian general who had tried to wipe out the human race and at that time was threatening to incinerate a family of civilians. I have more of a problem with the Hulk slaughtering US soldiers (brave young men and women who were just trying to do their job to protect innocent civilians) and Captain America aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the law.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 28, 2018 22:38:14 GMT
I didn't have any problem with Superman killing a Kryptonian general who had tried to wipe out the human race and at that time was threatening to incinerate a family of civilians. I have more of a problem with the Hulk slaughtering US soldiers (brave young men and women who were just trying to do their job to protect innocent civilians) and Captain America aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the law. Good job in throwing Marvel under the bus. Me thinks your username provides a conflict of interest. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 28, 2018 22:39:44 GMT
I didn't have any problem with Superman killing a Kryptonian general who had tried to wipe out the human race and at that time was threatening to incinerate a family of civilians. I have more of a problem with the Hulk slaughtering US soldiers (brave young men and women who were just trying to do their job to protect innocent civilians) and Captain America aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the law. Good job in throwing Marvel under the bus. Me thinks your username provides a conflict of interest. There's no conflict of interest. The DC in my username stands for Dallas Cowboys. That's why my avatar is the Dallas Cowboys star. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 28, 2018 22:42:19 GMT
Good job in throwing Marvel under the bus. Me thinks your username provides a conflict of interest. There's no conflict of interest. The DC in my username stands for Dallas Cowboys. That's why my avatar is the Dallas Cowboys star.  |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 28, 2018 22:42:43 GMT
I didn't have any problem with Superman killing a Kryptonian general who had tried to wipe out the human race and at that time was threatening to incinerate a family of civilians. I have more of a problem with the Hulk slaughtering US soldiers (brave young men and women who were just trying to do their job to protect innocent civilians) and Captain America aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the law. Good job in throwing Marvel under the bus. Me thinks your username provides a conflict of interest. He’ll [quickly] tell you that it’s a reference to his liking the Dallas Cowboys, not DC Comics. I’ve already delved into that with him somewhere around here… Found it. EDIT: Well, quicker than I’d expected, then. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 28, 2018 22:44:49 GMT
Good job in throwing Marvel under the bus. Me thinks your username provides a conflict of interest. He’ll [quickly] tell you that it’s a reference to his liking the Dallas Cowboys, not DC Comics. I’ve already delved into that with him somewhere around here… Found it. EDIT: Well, quicker than I’d expected, then. And I've already answered your question. I use the same username for all my online banking, investing, and shopping accounts. That way I only have 1 username to remember instead of having to remember which username I used for which site. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 28, 2018 23:06:27 GMT
I was fine with it because they put Superman in a no-win scenario, as opposed to Batman in the sequel who machine guns thugs into chunks just for the hell of it.
Superman II probably didn't draw the same ire because of its tone. If it didn't. I wasn't around in 1980.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 23:17:37 GMT
I think fewer people would had a problem with it if it hadn't come after 20 minutes of massive collateral damage, with Zod and Superman smashing through every building in Metropolis, during which time Superman doesn't seem to give a single shit about saving or protecting people. Also, if it was better established in the film that this Superman doesn't kill, his overblown reaction would have made more sense... but it wasn't, so it just comes out of nowhere.
Man of Steel wanted to portray Superman as a heroic, even Messianic figure while simultaneously making everything explode and go boom (because action) but forgot to have him do anything more heroic during the climax than repeatedly smashing a guy through a building. So by the time he's forced to decide to kill Zod or let four randoms die, you're not feeling any stakes because he's already let millions die and were probably under the assumption he was trying to kill Zod in the first place. Then he snaps Zod's neck and starts screaming and you're thinking "Where the fuck is this coming from?"
It was a mess.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jan 28, 2018 23:58:32 GMT
I never minded it tbh. There wasn't any other way Superman could've stopped Zod in that situation. Like he said in the movie, he was a monster. Besides, look at the many other superhero movies that involved the death of the main villain (Spider-Man trilogy, Batman and Batman Returns, Superman II as you said, etc).
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 29, 2018 0:03:50 GMT
Man of Steel wanted to portray Superman as a heroic, even Messianic figure while simultaneously making everything explode and go boom (because action) but forgot to have him do anything more heroic during the climax You obviously didn't see the movie because Superman saved Colonel Hardy when Faora was about to kill him and also saved several of the Air Force pilots when they were attacked by the Kryptonians. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 0:48:22 GMT
Man of Steel wanted to portray Superman as a heroic, even Messianic figure while simultaneously making everything explode and go boom (because action) but forgot to have him do anything more heroic during the climax You obviously didn't see the movie because Superman saved Colonel Hardy when Faora was about to kill him and also saved several of the Air Force pilots when they were attacked by the Kryptonians. Oh right, I forgot when he saved those military dudes. Too bad about all the civilians, though. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 29, 2018 2:16:37 GMT
I didn't have any problem with Superman killing a Kryptonian general who had tried to wipe out the human race and at that time was threatening to incinerate a family of civilians. I have more of a problem with the Hulk slaughtering US soldiers (brave young men and women who were just trying to do their job to protect innocent civilians) and Captain America aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the law. Dude, fuck off, you cocksucker |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 29, 2018 2:18:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 2:32:45 GMT
I didn't really have a problem with that. But I think Faora was killed, too? That was really going too far. She stole every scene.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 29, 2018 3:30:37 GMT
I didn't really have a problem with that. But I think Faora was killed, too? That was really going too far. She stole every scene. Not sure if Faora was killed. She was pulled into the Phantom Zone. |
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Post by outrider127 on Jan 29, 2018 3:46:31 GMT
Loved Man Of Steel
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 29, 2018 23:05:40 GMT
From what I can gather from the archaeological records, in the year 2013 people were upset with Superman breaking the neck of fellow Kryptonian Zod, when he vowed to never stop killing mankind. Now, what I haven't been to find is a similar outrage stretching back to Superman II roughly around 1980. Zod, now completely powerless and posing no threat to humanity, is tossed into an abyss by a smiling Superman. And yes, I am aware there was a deleted scene (thankfully!) that shows Zod and gang were arrested by the arctic police patrol. The problem wasn't the killing. The problem was his reaction afterwards. Superman acted like it was some huge betrayal of his morals to kill, yet nowhere in the entire movie is Superman shown to think all life is precious. Heck, he's raised by a sociopath who thought it might've been better to let a busload of children drown just to protect a secret identity. |
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