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Post by Cody™ on Jan 28, 2018 22:36:50 GMT
Imagine for a moment that you're having a conversation with a close friend. Let's say his name is Jim. You've always thought of Jim as a fairly normal person. Anyway during the conversation, Jim tells you that he has the ability to raise people from the dead.
How do you think you would respond to this claim? And how would it effect the way you think about him?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2018 22:43:02 GMT
I would recommend he remove the brain tumor
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2018 22:55:56 GMT
I'd say, "That's awesome Jim. Now pass the joint."
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 28, 2018 22:59:41 GMT
I'd say, "That's awesome Jim. Now pass the joint." Sidenote: Jim doesn't smoke(or blaize) or drink. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2018 23:05:43 GMT
I'd say, "That's awesome Jim. Now pass the joint." Sidenote: Jim doesn't smoke(or blaize) or drink. I'd say, "Jim, I'm glad to hear the Viagra worked out for you, but that doesn't count as "raising the dead". |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 29, 2018 0:00:53 GMT
lowtacks86IsapopAlright you guys are obviously not convinced and think Jim is fooling around. Now imagine Jim gives you an offended look and says to you "Look, I am serious. I have the ability to raise people from the dead. You don't believe me? Let me tell you about Maria and William" Jim goes on to tell you in specifics about the two people he had raised from the dead and describes in detail how the two had died and the manner in which he had resurrected them. He even mentions a few witnesses you can contact if you want to check out the claim. What are you thinking about your friend now?
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 29, 2018 0:02:59 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 29, 2018 0:05:35 GMT
lowtacks86 Isapop Alright you guys are obviously not convinced and think Jim is fooling around. Now imagine Jim gives you an offended look and says to you "Look, I am serious. I have the ability to raise people from the dead. You don't believe me? Let me tell you about Maria and William" Jim goes on to tell you in specifics about the two people he had raised from the dead and describes in detail how the two had died and the manner in which he had resurrected them. He even mentions a few witnesses you can contact if you want to check out the claim. What are you thinking about your friend now? I'm still thinking the same thing (some sort of mental impairment). That or he's a pathological liar. Simply telling a long winded, detailed story would not change my opinion at all. The "witnesses" would probably just be in on the lie or playing along with the delusion if they're also mentally impaired. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 29, 2018 0:07:45 GMT
lowtacks86 Isapop Alright you guys are obviously not convinced and think Jim is fooling around. Now imagine Jim gives you an offended look and says to you "Look, I am serious. I have the ability to raise people from the dead. You don't believe me? Let me tell you about Maria and William" Jim goes on to tell you in specifics about the two people he had raised from the dead and describes in detail how the two had died and the manner in which he had resurrected them. He even mentions a few witnesses you can contact if you want to check out the claim. What are you thinking about your friend now? I'm thinking, "He must have a good gag he's planning if he's got 'a few witnesses' to go along with it". |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 29, 2018 0:21:31 GMT
Ok. So you guys think he's either crazy, lying or just winding you up.
Now imagine going to see one of the witnesses Jim has told you about. You discreetly tell this person the story about what Jim has said to you. Imagine for a moment how you would feel if this witness responded by telling you that he or she has absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Now you're getting somewhere. You will go back to Jim and directly confront him with what is obviously a lie. His response to the confrontation will tell you whether he is lying or whether he has lost his mind.
BUT what if the witness confirms Jim's claim? What if all the witnesses were to confirm the claim that Jim really did raise two people from the dead? The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky. What scenario can explain what is happening here?
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 29, 2018 0:24:32 GMT
i would probably ask where he picked up such the silly idea.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 29, 2018 0:30:48 GMT
Ok. So you guys think he's either crazy, lying or just winding you up. Now imagine going to see one of the witnesses Jim has told you about. You discreetly tell this person the story about what Jim has said to you. Imagine for a moment how you would feel if this witness responded by telling you that he or she has absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Now you're getting somewhere. You will go back to Jim and directly confront him with what is obviously a lie. His response to the confrontation will tell you whether he is lying or whether he has lost his mind. BUT what if the witness confirms Jim's claim? What if all the witnesses were to confirm the claim that Jim really did raise two people from the dead? The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky. What scenario can explain what is happening here? "The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky." Not really, again I would just think the "witnesses" are also insane (or in on the lie). |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 29, 2018 0:33:06 GMT
tpfkar Ok. So you guys think he's either crazy, lying or just winding you up. Now imagine going to see one of the witnesses Jim has told you about. You discreetly tell this person the story about what Jim has said to you. Imagine for a moment how you would feel if this witness responded by telling you that he or she has absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Now you're getting somewhere. You will go back to Jim and directly confront him with what is obviously a lie. His response to the confrontation will tell you whether he is lying or whether he has lost his mind. BUT what if the witness confirms Jim's claim? What if all the witnesses were to confirm the claim that Jim really did raise two people from the dead? The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky. What scenario can explain what is happening here? What if they all turned into butterflies and fluttered away?
true story |
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 29, 2018 0:37:25 GMT
Ok. So you guys think he's either crazy, lying or just winding you up. Now imagine going to see one of the witnesses Jim has told you about. You discreetly tell this person the story about what Jim has said to you. Imagine for a moment how you would feel if this witness responded by telling you that he or she has absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Now you're getting somewhere. You will go back to Jim and directly confront him with what is obviously a lie. His response to the confrontation will tell you whether he is lying or whether he has lost his mind. BUT what if the witness confirms Jim's claim? What if all the witnesses were to confirm the claim that Jim really did raise two people from the dead? The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky. What scenario can explain what is happening here? "The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky." Not really, again I would just think the "witnesses" are also insane (or in on the lie). Jim and all the witnesses are insane? What are the chances of that? |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 29, 2018 0:42:21 GMT
tpfkar "The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky." Not really, again I would just think the "witnesses" are also insane (or in on the lie). Jim and all the witnesses are insane? What are the chances of that? Unless they're mad scientists, then insane, liars, freakishly naive, etc. - 100%.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 29, 2018 0:42:36 GMT
"The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky." Not really, again I would just think the "witnesses" are also insane (or in on the lie). Jim and all the witnesses are insane? What are the chances of that? Actually pretty good, insane people like hanging out with other insane people: www.thealiencon.com/forum.prisonplanet.com/ |
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Post by Catman on Jan 29, 2018 0:44:01 GMT
Wasn't this dealt with in an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer? And didn't Oz eat the guy at the end of the episode?
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Post by Isapop on Jan 29, 2018 0:47:22 GMT
Ok. So you guys think he's either crazy, lying or just winding you up. Now imagine going to see one of the witnesses Jim has told you about. You discreetly tell this person the story about what Jim has said to you. Imagine for a moment how you would feel if this witness responded by telling you that he or she has absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Now you're getting somewhere. You will go back to Jim and directly confront him with what is obviously a lie. His response to the confrontation will tell you whether he is lying or whether he has lost his mind. BUT what if the witness confirms Jim's claim? What if all the witnesses were to confirm the claim that Jim really did raise two people from the dead? The explanation that Jim is insane is starting to appear a bit shaky. What scenario can explain what is happening here? My previous answer (He must have a good gag he's planning if he's got "a few witnesses" to go along with it) already assumes that Jim has others lined up to back his claim. Why don't you just tell us what point you're trying to make.
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Post by kls on Jan 29, 2018 0:50:03 GMT
So I take it believing or disbelieving Jim is being compared to believing or disbelieving Jesus?
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Post by Cody™ on Jan 29, 2018 0:52:49 GMT
 Well let's imagine you decide for some bizarre reason, Jim has decided to play a very detailed practical joke on you and some of your friends. He has gone so far as to set up an elaborate scheme, including setting up "witnesses" to confirm his story. Especially when you think about the fact that Jim is one of the biggest practical jokers you know, the story begins to fit together. Still, you cannot let it lie. You confront one of supposed witnesses with your scenario, and finally he cracks a smile. You both start a good laugh. The mystery is solved! BUT what if this tactic does not work? What if one by one, each of the witnesses was to confirm that everything said was true, even when confronted with your claim that this was all a setup? |
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