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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 12:50:22 GMT
Yeah you've already proven you have no idea what you're talking about. So you don't have prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims? That is not the impression I ever get. Islamophobia is real word Cody, with clear definitions, and you can look it up. Or, like Arlon are you now going to argue with dictionaries and win? Thor at least is honest and has no issues with this label, saying it doesn't irk him, why should you?
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 12:52:49 GMT
FilmFlaneur This is the third or fourth time I've linked this video, are you going to finally man up and try to address/refute it?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 14, 2018 12:53:13 GMT
So you don't have prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims? That is not the impression I ever get. Islamophobia is real word Cody, with clear definitions, and you can look it up. Or, like Arlon are you now going to argue with dictionaries and win? Thor at least is honest and has no issues with this label, saying it doesn't irk him, why should you? You showed me that before Cody. But, away from any special pleading of yours, the dictionaries are clear that the word exists and can be defined. That is addressing it. Do you have prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims? Yes or no.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 14, 2018 12:57:29 GMT
Yeah you've already proven you have no idea what you're talking about. So you don't have prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims? That is not the impression I ever get. Islamophobia is real word Cody, with clear definitions, and you can look it up. Or, like Arlon are you now going to argue with dictionaries and win? Thor at least is honest and has no issues with this label, saying it doesn't irk him, why should you? Yes, it's a real word. It's a real political propaganda word invented by globalist scum who don't even bother themselves to do their own posting on the internet. They make up the worlds, and stooges like you post them.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 14, 2018 13:04:48 GMT
Why on earth would you go to bat for the Muslims? They believe in a single and all-powerful deity, do they not? As I recall, you're opposed to belief in any supernatural deities. I would speak out in defence of any peaceful and hate-free minority Erjen, including of late UK Muslims (of whom some here have particular issues with). But I don't have a general brief for Islam worldwide; I would treat the purported existence of Allah, the associated arguments from scripture and credulity there, as I do any particular deity. (For instance. you were not to know it but a few months ago I had an extended dispute with a Muslim on a religious noticeboard about the effect of different readings and the claim that the Qu'ran lacks any variants.) I hope that helps. It depends what you mean by 'rhetoric'. If it is hate speech then I draw the line, from whatever source it springs. If you mean supporting the right to free speech generally, while of course always retaining the right to criticise or even ridicule what is being said, than the answer is always 'yes'. But we don't have many active Muslims here who make such objectionable noises as the Christian fundamentalists and right-wingers, which is why the traffic can seem one-sided. We don't have any Scientologists either, a particular shame since that would be real fun. Go to a radical Muslim country and call Allah a fairy in the sky, and see what they do about it. You won't like it, but you know that already, which is why you only spread your venom to Christians on the Internet. It's much safer that way.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 13:06:23 GMT
FilmFlaneurPrejudice? No. I would say I hate Islam, the religious and political ideology. But then I also hate leg day at the gym. I guess I'm just a Legdayophobe huh?
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Post by Isapop on Feb 14, 2018 13:22:15 GMT
I don't see it. If somebody says let's rid the world of religious people, that's bigoted. But to say let's rid the world of religion doesn't seem bigoted. You won't get the one without the other. OK, so it's an unattainable ideal (as if one said, "Let's get rid of superstition"). But it isn't bigoted.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 14, 2018 13:49:11 GMT
Definition of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance An opinion to do away with religion is not bigotry. To act on it and hate or be intolerant of religious people is bigotry. A valiant effort, but he’s just not getting. I for one am done trying to explain SENSE to somebody who not only specializes in straw man arguments, but who’s apparently not even capable of grasping basic dictionary definitions of the words he’s using. But good luck!
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 14, 2018 14:17:04 GMT
I would say I hate Islam, the religious and political ideology. Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. QED.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 14, 2018 14:23:19 GMT
Go to a radical Muslim country and call Allah a fairy in the sky, and see what they do about it. You won't like it, Assuring me that religious intolerance is real (which I know anyway) is not really an argument against standing up for minorities, Erjen. As already patiently explained, there is a shortage of Muslims here to dispute with ... and I have recently elsewhere had a frank and open exchange with one on another site.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 14:23:51 GMT
I would say I hate Islam, the religious and political ideology. Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. QED. There's a lot of things I hate. But no special buzzwords attached to it. Why is that?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 14, 2018 14:30:33 GMT
Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. QED. There's a lot of things I hate. But no special buzzwords attached to it. Why is that?
'-phobia' can be added to a lot of nouns to make new, but quickly understood descriptors Cody, not all of which will represent something deplorable. Think of the guy here who fancies 'theophobic' as a presumed insult. One imagines that Islamophobia is just one of the more common ones since, well, it is more common. But I think you really know this.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 14:33:05 GMT
There's a lot of things I hate. But no special buzzwords attached to it. Why is that?
'-phobia' can be added to a lot of noun to make new, but quickly understood descriptors Cody, not all of which will represent something deplorable. Think of the guy here who fancies 'theophobic' as a presumed insult. One imagines that Islamophobia is just one of the more common ones since, well, it is more common. But I think you really know this.
So hating a religious ideology(Islam) = Having a phobia(irrational fear) of Islam. You're beyond dumb. You don't even know how dumb you are. That's the problem.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 14, 2018 14:44:17 GMT
So hating a religious ideology(Islam) = Having a phobia(irrational fear) of Islam. A phobia is just a type of anxiety disorder, defined by a persistent fear of an object or situation. No one says it needs always to be irrational, perhaps the defining characteristic is exaggeration - while I am sure your hatred of another religion is entirely rational from a Xian fundamentalist mindset. Now you are just being insulting because you have no other arguments and are forced to be defensive, which makes you angry. But I forgive you.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 14, 2018 15:06:25 GMT
'-phobia' can be added to a lot of noun to make new, but quickly understood descriptors Cody, not all of which will represent something deplorable. Think of the guy here who fancies 'theophobic' as a presumed insult. One imagines that Islamophobia is just one of the more common ones since, well, it is more common. But I think you really know this.
So hating a religious ideology(Islam) = Having a phobia(irrational fear) of Islam. You're beyond dumb. You don't even know how dumb you are. That's the problem. Based on your response, I’d say significantly less dumb than you. Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 15:24:07 GMT
So hating a religious ideology(Islam) = Having a phobia(irrational fear) of Islam. You're beyond dumb. You don't even know how dumb you are. That's the problem. Based on your response, I’d say significantly less dumb than you. Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Watch the video above and try to comprehend the stupidity of that word and it's supposed definition.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 14, 2018 16:03:01 GMT
Based on your response, I’d say significantly less dumb than you. Islamophobia: the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Watch the video above and try to comprehend the stupidity of that word and it's supposed definition. I don’t watch propaganda videos posted from YouTube as part of a political or religious debate. You know this! I listen to arguments from posters, and debate the people who can support their own position. Nothing on whatever that video shows could refute the definition of the term Islamaphobia, nor could it validate the notion of me being a bigot. You may think the term is “silly”, but that doesn’t delegitimize the concept. And you may want to label people who stand against bigotry as “bigots”, but that only proves you are unwilling to conform to the accepted definition of the term. So the video becomes completely irrelevant to those issues because it doesn’t change the actual facts.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 14, 2018 16:13:07 GMT
Watch the video above and try to comprehend the stupidity of that word and it's supposed definition. I don’t watch propaganda videos posted from YouTube as part of a political or religious debate. You know this! I listen to arguments from posters, and debate the people who can support their own position. Nothing on whatever that video shows could refute the definition of the term Islamaphobia, nor could it validate the notion of me being a bigot. You may think the term is “silly”, but that doesn’t delegitimize the concept. And you may want to label people who stand against bigotry as “bigots”, but that only proves you are unwilling to conform to the accepted definition of the term. So the video becomes completely irrelevant to those issues because it doesn’t change the actual facts. "Nothing on whatever that video shows could refute the definition of the term Islamaphobia," Actually it can and it does. But if you want to be an ignoramus that's up to you.
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 14, 2018 19:46:18 GMT
If somebody says let's rid the world of religious people, that's bigoted. But to say let's rid the world of religion doesn't seem bigoted. I fail to see the difference, since ridding the world of religion necessitates ridding the world of religious people. In a similar vein, do you think "I want to rid the world of gay people" sounds bigoted but "I want to rid the world of homosexuality" does not?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 14, 2018 20:23:42 GMT
If somebody says let's rid the world of religious people, that's bigoted. But to say let's rid the world of religion doesn't seem bigoted. I fail to see the difference, since ridding the world of religion necessitates ridding the world of religious people. He's fairly obviously making a distinction between physically removing the people vs. arguing away the mindset. "I want them gone" vs. "I want to change their minds".
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