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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 4, 2018 12:01:59 GMT
Will he use his Pymp hand on his wife like he did in the comics?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 4, 2018 13:00:04 GMT
No. Not family friendly enough for Marvel Studios.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2018 13:10:43 GMT
Sad thing is, he only did that once and for some reason writers ignored all the other great stuff his character did.
Whereas when Spider-Man hit his wife, everyone forgot about it right after it happened.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 4, 2018 15:13:55 GMT
Fun fact about Spider-Man:
His semen gave Mary Jane cancer once.
Yep, Marvel has some fuck up stories.
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Post by scabab on Feb 4, 2018 15:32:31 GMT
Sad thing is, he only did that once and for some reason writers ignored all the other great stuff his character did. Whereas when Spider-Man hit his wife, everyone forgot about it right after it happened. Was it only once? I know it happened in the Ultimate comics.  Didn't it also happen in the 616 as well? I've always thought they went with Scott Lang over Hank Pym for this very reason. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 4, 2018 15:44:40 GMT
Fun fact about Spider-Man: His semen gave Mary Jane cancer once. Yep, Marvel has some fuck up stories. I think we just wrote the opening scene to Spider-Woman. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2018 16:18:54 GMT
Sad thing is, he only did that once and for some reason writers ignored all the other great stuff his character did. Whereas when Spider-Man hit his wife, everyone forgot about it right after it happened. Was it only once? In the original 616 comics, yes it was only once. He was in the middle of a mental breakdown when he did it. Problem was that the Ultimate writers couldn't think of anything else do with him so they made the Ultimate Version a full on wife beater. Of course, the Ultimate writers also made Wanda an Pietro incestuous lovers too. |
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Post by claudius on Feb 4, 2018 16:24:49 GMT
Scabab, it did happen in 616 (Scott Lang had already taken up the part of Ant-Man before it happened. He stole the outfit to save his daughter. Hank followed him, saw the heroic results, and let him keep it.).
Hank Pym was in a bad state at the time (not a new thing; he had already several mental breakdowns in the past, one involved the adoption of the Yellowjacket outfit). His recent experiments since Ultron weren't working, he felt inadequate as a husband (wife was paying the bills) and a hero, resenting Janet's success and comfort in being a crimefighter. An attempt to prove himself as an Avenger backfired when he fired at an antagonist right after Cap had reasoned with her, causing more damage. A court-martial was set. Desperate, Hank created an indestructible robot that would interrupt the trial, OWN the team until he hit its weak spot, tricking the team with his ability. Janet tried to reason with him to not do this. Hank responded by smacking her (once). On the day of the court-martial, his fellow Avengers planning to acquit him, Hank ruined his chance by making an insane defense (it was all Cap's fault). Then Janet revealed her black eye ("Odin's blood! Did...he...strike thee?" says a shocked Thor). The robot attacks, nearly killing Hank in the process until Janet saves him. Shortly after, Janet throws him out. What happens later is another story.
formersamhmd, funny thing about that. TPTB used that wife-hitting breakdown (and the 'Parker is dead. I am the Spider' breakdown) as proof to show Peter was a clone. SPIDERMAN WOULD NEVER DO THAT! BEN REILLY WOULD NEVER DO THAT! HE'S THE REAL SPIDEY! And then they change their minds and reveal Peter as the real one. So I guess the breakdown and wife-hitting was explained away as SPIDEY WAS HAVING A BAD DAY. HAPPENS TO EVERYONE!
hauntedknight87, wasn't that story from the EARTH X trilogy?
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Post by scabab on Feb 4, 2018 16:25:07 GMT
Hulk was also a cannibal who was dangerously obsessed with Betty Ross too.
Pretty weird the Ultimate line up but I liked it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2018 23:30:54 GMT
Yeah, the wife-beating thing was more a catalyst than anything else. Truth is, comics Hank has had a history of serious mental issues (creating Ultron, going insane and becoming Yellowjacket and claiming he killed Hank Pym, the whole fake robot attack thing) that were written off as Silver Age goofiness when they happened. It never occurred to anyone that later writers would look at his history and think "Whoa, this dude is nuts!" and condemn him for that.
The one slap to Jan thing was merely the catalyst for the modern dislike, truth is he had several events to make him look bad.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 5, 2018 1:41:43 GMT
Of course, the Ultimate writers also made Wanda an Pietro incestuous lovers too. Yeah that's one of the reasons I stopped reading the ultimate comics. That incest love Arch in the comics was a bit too much for me. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 5, 2018 1:46:51 GMT
Will he use his Pymp hand on his wife like he did in the comics? : Perpetrator of some dumb shit Will he continue to flood the boards with his useless pablum? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 5, 2018 2:36:00 GMT
Of course, the Ultimate writers also made Wanda an Pietro incestuous lovers too. Yeah that's one of the reasons I stopped reading the ultimate comics. That incest love Arch in the comics was a bit too much for me. And what's worse, Ultimate Cap is supposed to be seen as a "throwback" for being a little grossed out by it. |
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Post by claudius on Feb 5, 2018 10:17:02 GMT
Yeah, the wife-beating thing was more a catalyst than anything else. Truth is, comics Hank has had a history of serious mental issues (creating Ultron, going insane and becoming Yellowjacket and claiming he killed Hank Pym, the whole fake robot attack thing) that were written off as Silver Age goofiness when they happened. It never occurred to anyone that later writers would look at his history and think "Whoa, this dude is nuts!" and condemn him for that. The one slap to Jan thing was merely the catalyst for the modern dislike, truth is he had several events to make him look bad. Yes, the Silver Age stuff (the murder of his first wife, the unrealistic motivations for Hanet (or Jank)- she looks like his dead wife/he's the strong, dashing type underneath that introverted scientist façade-, Ultron and the Yellowjacket creation) was written off at the time without much perspective. But I would argue that the fake robot attack (as well as the earlier 'Regresses to Ant-Man and attacks the Avengers' story, both written by Jim Shooter) was in the age when writers were finding something discomforting about Hank's history (the court-martial has Iron Man looking at the history and noticing something already amiss about Hank). Then a year later, Roger Stern really gets to put it all together with his first story (1982/83) as Hank examines his history, his issues, and his four breakdowns (dead wife, Yellowjacket, the Ant-Man regression, and the court-martial). Then he brings Hank closure as he drops the spandex and has a more comfortable goodbye with Janet (bringing up the unrealistic perspectives). Of course, we both agree that that was more than 30 years ago, and although Hank has had his share of angst (Steve Englehart and Kurt Busiek), he has never had any violent episodes again. |
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