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Post by WullieFort on Feb 5, 2018 10:39:24 GMT
I'm from across the pond, so I don't fully understand the rules, but he broke the plane of the line bofore hitting the ground and safely recaught the ball when the impact of falling jarred it from his hands.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Feb 5, 2018 10:54:02 GMT
Nothing. He had his legs taken out from under him as a runner and then crossed the plane. It becomes an issue if his lunging forward was part of the same action as the catch. In this case he'd clearly completed the catch, taken several steps and would have run the ball into the end zone had the defensive player not been in his way.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Feb 5, 2018 11:00:03 GMT
The main reason it was controversial is the subjective nature of the rule. Earlier in the year a Pittsburgh player appeared to have scored a TD against the Patriots after he'd caught the ball, his knee hit the ground and he then lunged forward, fumbling the ball on the ground after crossing the plane. The replay official ruled that the catching the ball and the lunge were the same action and so overturned the TD ruling. It's subjective as some argued that the catch was completed as soon as his knee hit the ground anything after was a separate action.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 5, 2018 12:51:29 GMT
Nothing. He caught the ball, took two steps and dived into the end zone for a TD.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 5, 2018 13:40:17 GMT
No one who actually understands football had any problem with the call. Chris Collingsworth is a huge Patriots homer and hates the Eagles so he was just butt hurt. Ertz took three steps, dove, and then the ball crossed the plane. There is NO QUESTION it was a TD. It cannot even seriously be argued.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 5, 2018 13:42:59 GMT
I'm from across the pond, so I don't fully understand the rules, but he broke the plane of the line bofore hitting the ground and safely recaught the ball when the impact of falling jarred it from his hands. Nobody, not even those who make the rules or enforce them, fully understand the rules. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 5, 2018 13:43:32 GMT
No one who actually understands football had any problem with the call. Chris Collingsworth is a huge Patriots homer and hates the Eagles so he was just butt hurt. Ertz took three steps, dove, and then the ball crossed the plane. There is NO QUESTION it was a TD. It cannot even seriously be argued. Funny you say that about Collinsworth. Most Pats fan I know think he hates the Patriots. It's funny how biased a fan's perspective can be. I never got the impression he liked or disliked either team, it's just his job to sell the drama. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 5, 2018 13:48:40 GMT
No one who actually understands football had any problem with the call. Chris Collingsworth is a huge Patriots homer and hates the Eagles so he was just butt hurt. Ertz took three steps, dove, and then the ball crossed the plane. There is NO QUESTION it was a TD. It cannot even seriously be argued. Funny you say that about Collinsworth. Most Pats fan I know think he hates the Patriots. It's funny how biased a fan's perspective can be. I never got the impression he liked or disliked either team, it's just his job to sell the drama. I honestly never see his bias, but it was evident last night. He made one nice comment about the Eagles all game. ONE. That is insane. It was a constant Brady slob fest. He also said that the Ertz catch was not a TD and was sure of it. Dumb. How can anyone who supposedly understands football think that wasn't a catch? I am not saying this as some homer, it was a catch easily. I thought the Clement catch was out of bounds. I think that one should have been overturned, but I will take it. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 5, 2018 13:50:54 GMT
No one who actually understands football had any problem with the call. Chris Collingsworth is a huge Patriots homer and hates the Eagles so he was just butt hurt. Ertz took three steps, dove, and then the ball crossed the plane. There is NO QUESTION it was a TD. It cannot even seriously be argued. Funny you say that about Collinsworth. Most Pats fan I know think he hates the Patriots. It's funny how biased a fan's perspective can be. I never got the impression he liked or disliked either team, it's just his job to sell the drama. Yeah, that's just weak whining. He doesnt hate the Eagles, all fan bases think that the announcers are against their team. Colinsworth may suck Brady's dick at every opportunity, but the claims of announcer bias are lazy and stupid. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 5, 2018 13:51:29 GMT
Funny you say that about Collinsworth. Most Pats fan I know think he hates the Patriots. It's funny how biased a fan's perspective can be. I never got the impression he liked or disliked either team, it's just his job to sell the drama. Yeah, that's just weak whining. He doesnt hate the Eagles, all fan bases think that the announcers are against their team. Colinsworth may suck Brady's dick at every opportunity, but the claims of announcer bias are lazy and stupid. Last night, he was all Patriots. Get serious. It was obvious. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 5, 2018 13:52:25 GMT
Funny you say that about Collinsworth. Most Pats fan I know think he hates the Patriots. It's funny how biased a fan's perspective can be. I never got the impression he liked or disliked either team, it's just his job to sell the drama. I honestly never see his bias, but it was evident last night. He made one nice comment about the Eagles all game. ONE. That is insane. It was a constant Brady slob fest. He also said that the Ertz catch was not a TD and was sure of it. Dumb. How can anyone who supposedly understands football think that wasn't a catch? I am not saying this as some homer, it was a catch easily. I thought the Clement catch was out of bounds. I think that one should have been overturned, but I will take it. I don't think that's true about Collinsworth. He was praising Foles all night long and praising Pederson. The problem is he's not going to be Merrill Reese, he's a national announcer so he has to talk up and talk down both sides. I thought Michaels and Collinsworth were great, much better than Buck & Aikman and light years better than Nantz and (gag) Romo. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 5, 2018 13:54:42 GMT
I honestly never see his bias, but it was evident last night. He made one nice comment about the Eagles all game. ONE. That is insane. It was a constant Brady slob fest. He also said that the Ertz catch was not a TD and was sure of it. Dumb. How can anyone who supposedly understands football think that wasn't a catch? I am not saying this as some homer, it was a catch easily. I thought the Clement catch was out of bounds. I think that one should have been overturned, but I will take it. I don't think that's true about Collinsworth. He was praising Foles all night long and praising Pederson. The problem is he's not going to be Merrill Reese, he's a national announcer so he has to talk up and talk down both sides. I thought Michaels and Collinsworth were great, much better than Buck & Aikman and light years better than Nantz and (gag) Romo. This is just nuts. He was obviously biased and it blatantly showed. I am not sure I have heard much like it. He said one nice thing about the Eagles the entire game. He made excuses every time the Patriots failed. He also was adamant that the refs got the Ertz call wrong when it was an obvious catch and could not let it go. He was still talking about it at the end of the third quarter. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 5, 2018 13:55:10 GMT
Being a sore winner is not a good look. He made plenty of comments in either direction. He was wrong on the catch, but his point was that it was eerily similar to the one in the Steelers game. He may be a shitty announcer, but he doesn't hate your team. That's just a typical, lazy, ill informed fan complaint.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 5, 2018 13:56:24 GMT
I don't think that's true about Collinsworth. He was praising Foles all night long and praising Pederson. The problem is he's not going to be Merrill Reese, he's a national announcer so he has to talk up and talk down both sides. I thought Michaels and Collinsworth were great, much better than Buck & Aikman and light years better than Nantz and (gag) Romo. This is just nuts. He was obviously biased and it blatantly showed. I am not sure I have heard much like it. He said one nice thing about the Eagles the entire game. He made excuses every time the Patriots failed. He also was adamant that the refs got the Ertz call wrong when it was an obvious catch and could not let it go. He was still talking about it at the end of the third quarter. He got the Ertz call wrong because no one knows what a catch is anymore and based on some other catches that got overturned this season, one could have thought that this one would have been too. If there was a different ref on the field he could have called it incomplete. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 5, 2018 13:57:59 GMT
This is just nuts. He was obviously biased and it blatantly showed. I am not sure I have heard much like it. He said one nice thing about the Eagles the entire game. He made excuses every time the Patriots failed. He also was adamant that the refs got the Ertz call wrong when it was an obvious catch and could not let it go. He was still talking about it at the end of the third quarter. He got the hertz call wrong because no one knows what a catch is anymore and based on some other catches that got overturned this season, one could have thought that this one would have been too. If there was a different ref on the field he could have called it incomplete. Calling that incomplete is just plain dumb and there would have been no excuse. He caught the ball, took three steps, dove towards the end zone, and then crossed the plane. There was NO QUESTION. Even with the convoluted rules that was a catch. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 5, 2018 17:32:58 GMT
The Clement catch, wish we'd have seed a zoom in on his toe. Really did not look in.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 5, 2018 17:41:30 GMT
The Clement catch, wish we'd have seed a zoom in on his toe. Really did not look in. His toe was out but I guess they said he had control when he put that foot down 2 steps earlier when he originally caught the ball. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 5, 2018 17:53:09 GMT
The Clement catch, wish we'd have seed a zoom in on his toe. Really did not look in. His toe was out but I guess they said he had control when he put that foot down 2 steps earlier when he originally caught the ball. Can you have control and still move or transfer it? It definitely moved within the last 2 steps. Maybe they're applying next year's common-sense rules early. |
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Post by wonderburstanger on Feb 5, 2018 17:55:28 GMT
Because it wasn't Brady throwing the TD.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 5, 2018 18:05:53 GMT
I'm from across the pond, so I don't fully understand the rules, but he broke the plane of the line bofore hitting the ground and safely recaught the ball when the impact of falling jarred it from his hands. The rule is that: If you are functioning as a receiver in the process of making a catch when you cross the goal line, you're required to have control of the ball, with both feet making in-bounds contact, etc. in the end zoneIf you're function as a runner instead--you've caught the ball already, you already have control of it, and you're running at least a couple steps with the ball, all you need to do is "break the plane" of the end zone with the ball. There's no requirement to have control of the ball in the end zone in that case. So there was a question whether he was functioning as a runner or a receiver when he broke the plane, since he lost control of the ball/it hit the ground in the end zone. In my opinion, it was clear that he was functioning as a runner, not a receiver at that point. He caught the ball and ran a few steps with it--albeit not the smoothest steps in the world, prior to breaking the plane, and that's what the officials ruled as well. That it was just a few steps, and slightly "jumpy" steps at that, so close to the goal line, is what made it controversial. But I think the answer was clear and the officials got it right. |
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