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Post by cupcakes on Feb 6, 2018 18:44:52 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 6, 2018 18:47:15 GMT
Now he's mastered the skill of avoiding admitting an error by laughing about being a chicken-shit. Not discussing is not an error. I thought the topic had changed to strawman nonstop so i stopped reading. it wastes my time until it became fun to mock. I doubt very seriously anything was said that could have shattered my statement except for Wahhhh! Strawman!
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 18:47:17 GMT
It's not a strawman if the post reference 10 year olds not knowing where babies come from. No, dimwit, it's a strawman because you moved the discussion to the quality of parenting. "To think that abortion is some kind of champion for the human race" ^Also a strawman. And that doesn't really make any sense. A strawman is a mischaracterization or misrepresentation of someone else's argument. It doesn't have anything to do with "moving the discussion to x." That would only be relevant if someone did that as part of the process of mischaracterizing or misrepresenting someone else's argument (where of course they're claiming that it's an accurate relaying or summary etc. of the argument).
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 6, 2018 18:47:49 GMT
tpfkar Probably because calling a fetus a "human being" is a bit of a stretch. Do you consider an acorn to be a tree? Are you Cash's sock account? If no, I suggest you leave the illogical comparisons to that quarterwit. You droolers always say the darndest things!  Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 18:50:58 GMT
DanaShelbyChancey How is the argument killing a young innocent human being should be illegal full of holes? When I said that, the discussion was at a point where the definition was simply "person" . The "innocent person" qualifier was yet to be added. It was stated by someone later, that capital punishment, war, are not equal to abortion, because abortion is the only one where an "innocent person" is killed. I had wondered, there is a difference between an innocent and a non-innocent person. I was assured by one poster that there is. It is ok to kill one, not the other. The blanket statement that abortion kills a person, therefore should be illegal, is full of holes, because other ways of killing a person are legal. Ways that many people support. Philosophical differences, can be twisted backwards to say things that were not originally meant. I was throwing the idea into the mix, that why is it ok to kill persons for one reason, and not another? It should be wrong in all cases. I know you didn't introduce it, I just read it in your post, so that's why I'm quoting you, but Man, do I hate that usage of "innocent." It's just so vague and semantically empty.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 6, 2018 18:51:47 GMT
DanaShelbyChancey How is the argument killing a young innocent human being should be illegal full of holes? When I said that, the discussion was at a point where the definition was simply "person" . The "innocent person" qualifier was yet to be added. It was stated by someone later, that capital punishment, war, are not equal to abortion, because abortion is the only one where an "innocent person" is killed. I had wondered, there is a difference between an innocent and a non-innocent person. I was assured by one poster that there is. It is ok to kill one, not the other. The blanket statement that abortion kills a person, therefore should be illegal, is full of holes, because other ways of killing a person are legal. Ways that many people support. Philosophical differences, can be twisted backwards to say things that were not originally meant. I was throwing the idea into the mix, that why is it ok to kill persons for one reason, and not another? It should be wrong in all cases. Well when is baby, unborn or otherwise, ever not innocent?
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 6, 2018 18:53:49 GMT
tpfkar Now he's mastered the skill of avoiding admitting an error by laughing about being a chicken-shit. Not discussing is not an error. I thought the topic had changed to strawman nonstop so i stopped reading. it wastes my time until it became fun to mock. I doubt very seriously anything was said that could have shattered my statement except for Wahhhh! Strawman! Pretending that a silliness is the argument held is a strawman. Before getting to you guys' defense league hose-spew gambits. Disowning for having a different belief would be silly although being a hateful, lowdown dirty, resenful atheist livng in my house could get you the boot at 18. It's best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 18:54:04 GMT
No, dimwit, it's a strawman because you moved the discussion to the quality of parenting. "To think that abortion is some kind of champion for the human race" ^Also a strawman. And that doesn't really make any sense. A strawman is a mischaracterization or misrepresentation of someone else's argument. It doesn't have anything to do with "moving the discussion to x." That would only be relevant if someone did that as part of the process of mischaracterizing or misrepresenting someone else's argument (where of course they're claiming that it's an accurate relaying or summary etc. of the argument). He misrepresented the other person's argument throughout the discussion and i cited two examples so take your pedantic bullshit somewhere else. At no point was the other person talking about the quality of parenting, that was the idiot's strawman...er, joke! At no point was the other person claiming that abortion is a champion of anything, also the idiot's strawman. Don't you have some Muslims to talk shit about or something?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 18:57:55 GMT
And that doesn't really make any sense. A strawman is a mischaracterization or misrepresentation of someone else's argument. It doesn't have anything to do with "moving the discussion to x." That would only be relevant if someone did that as part of the process of mischaracterizing or misrepresenting someone else's argument (where of course they're claiming that it's an accurate relaying or summary etc. of the argument). He misrepresented the other person's argument throughout the discussion and i cited two examples so take your pedantic bullshit somewhere else. At no point was the other person talking about the quality of parenting, that was the idiot's strawman...er, joke! At no point was the other person claiming that abortion is a champion of anything, also the idiot's strawman. Don't you have some Muslims to talk shit about or something? But he didn't present "abortion as the champion" or the parenting comment as if he was presenting someone else's argument. (And neither are really an argument or presented as an argument anyway, but we could let that part slide I guess.) Why would I be talking shit about Muslims? You must not know me very well.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 6, 2018 18:58:18 GMT
tpfkar They have classes on strawmen. Draw us a Venn diagram!  QUICK! SOMEBODY START A THREAD ABOUT BASKETWEAVING!!! I'm sure there are at least 3 people on this board who taught that in night school. Jabber jabber spew, moobies. It was just a jOOOoooOokkke!!!1!!111!!!
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Feb 6, 2018 19:00:14 GMT
When I said that, the discussion was at a point where the definition was simply "person" . The "innocent person" qualifier was yet to be added. It was stated by someone later, that capital punishment, war, are not equal to abortion, because abortion is the only one where an "innocent person" is killed. I had wondered, there is a difference between an innocent and a non-innocent person. I was assured by one poster that there is. It is ok to kill one, not the other. The blanket statement that abortion kills a person, therefore should be illegal, is full of holes, because other ways of killing a person are legal. Ways that many people support. Philosophical differences, can be twisted backwards to say things that were not originally meant. I was throwing the idea into the mix, that why is it ok to kill persons for one reason, and not another? It should be wrong in all cases. Well when is baby, unborn or otherwise, ever not innocent? There is never a time when an unborn child is not innocent, but that wasn't the point. I was saying it is dangerous to imply that it is ok to kill people who someone has deemed not innocent.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 19:01:59 GMT
He misrepresented the other person's argument throughout the discussion and i cited two examples so take your pedantic bullshit somewhere else. At no point was the other person talking about the quality of parenting, that was the idiot's strawman...er, joke! At no point was the other person claiming that abortion is a champion of anything, also the idiot's strawman. Don't you have some Muslims to talk shit about or something? But he didn't present "abortion as the champion" or the parenting comment as if he was presenting someone else's argument. (And neither are really an argument or presented as an argument anyway, but we could let that part slide I guess.) Why would I be talking shit about Muslims? You must not know me very well. Okay, I've generally avoided you because my perception has always been that you're a time-wasting imbecile in much the same vein as the kiddie-fiddler Saoradh or whatever he's changed his name to now. I'm glad to see that my perception was correct. The only reason he even brought up "abortion as the champion" was so he could attack it as though the other person said or implied it. That's so fucking obvious that you really need to stop whatever game you think you're playing. You're not qualified.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 19:11:57 GMT
But he didn't present "abortion as the champion" or the parenting comment as if he was presenting someone else's argument. (And neither are really an argument or presented as an argument anyway, but we could let that part slide I guess.) Why would I be talking shit about Muslims? You must not know me very well. Okay, I've generally avoided you because my perception has always been that you're a time-wasting imbecile in much the same vein as the kiddie-fiddler Saoradh or whatever he's changed his name to now. I'm glad to see that my perception was correct. The only reason he even brought up "abortion as the champion" was so he could attack it as though the other person said or implied it. That's so fucking obvious that you really need to stop whatever game you think you're playing. You're not qualified. First off, there's no way you're near as qualified as I am for this, because you were supposedly teaching mathematics. There's no indication at all that you have any background in philosophical logic, or philosophy in general, or anything of the sort. And that's underscored by you making a number of comments above that evidence that you don't really understand what a straw man is. (I'm going to have to start wondering if you weren't that discrete mathematics prof I had, haha.) (Also, I'd make an educated guess that you've probably not read much literature, if at any at all, on this stuff, since otherwise "strawman" would probably look odd enough to you that you'd not write it that way. It's almost always written as two words in academic literature.) At any rate, ignoring the grammatical sloppiness of it, cooljgs wrote the following in a post that was not quoting anyone, that was not addressed to anyone in particular, and in which he was making some extremely broad statements: "To think that abortion is some kind of champion for the human race (Derp- Population control...) and women in particular It makes them powerful!) is a ludicrous concept that people have latched onto because selfish desire or calming irrational fears are more important than parental bonds for many." That's not presented as being anyone in particular's argument (again, ignoring that "Abortion is some kind of 'champion for the human race' isn't even anything like an argument in the first place). In fact, "that people have latched onto" is a much better indication that he doesn't have anyone specific in mind, and it reads much more in the vein of an abstract/idealized "they." It's also pretty clear that it's a simplified, somewhat caricatured interpretation of opposing points of view, which all make it not at all a straw man.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 19:14:14 GMT
Okay, I've generally avoided you because my perception has always been that you're a time-wasting imbecile in much the same vein as the kiddie-fiddler Saoradh or whatever he's changed his name to now. I'm glad to see that my perception was correct. The only reason he even brought up "abortion as the champion" was so he could attack it as though the other person said or implied it. That's so fucking obvious that you really need to stop whatever game you think you're playing. You're not qualified. First off, there's no way you're near as qualified as I am for this, because you were supposedly teaching mathematics. There's no indication at all that you have any background in philosophical logic, or philosophy in general, or anything of the sort. And that's underscored by you making a number of comments above that evidence that you don't really understand what a straw man is. (I'm going to have to start wondering if you weren't that discrete mathematics prof I had, haha.) At any rate, ignoring the grammatical sloppiness of it, cooljgs wrote the following in a post that was not quoting anyone, that was not addressed to anyone in particular, and in which he was making some extremely broad statements: "To think that abortion is some kind of champion for the human race (Derp- Population control...) and women in particular It makes them powerful!) is a ludicrous concept that people have latched onto because selfish desire or calming irrational fears are more important than parental bonds for many." That's not presented as being anyone in particular's argument (again, ignoring that "Abortion is some kind of 'champion for the human race' isn't even anything like an argument in the first place). In fact, "that people have latched onto" is a much better indication that he doesn't have anyone specific in mind, and it reads much more in the vein of an abstract/idealized "they." It's also pretty clear that it's a simplified, somewhat caricatured interpretation of opposing points of view, which all make it not at all a straw man. Okay, you're a dumbass.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 19:16:44 GMT
First off, there's no way you're near as qualified as I am for this, because you were supposedly teaching mathematics. There's no indication at all that you have any background in philosophical logic, or philosophy in general, or anything of the sort. And that's underscored by you making a number of comments above that evidence that you don't really understand what a straw man is. (I'm going to have to start wondering if you weren't that discrete mathematics prof I had, haha.) At any rate, ignoring the grammatical sloppiness of it, cooljgs wrote the following in a post that was not quoting anyone, that was not addressed to anyone in particular, and in which he was making some extremely broad statements: "To think that abortion is some kind of champion for the human race (Derp- Population control...) and women in particular It makes them powerful!) is a ludicrous concept that people have latched onto because selfish desire or calming irrational fears are more important than parental bonds for many." That's not presented as being anyone in particular's argument (again, ignoring that "Abortion is some kind of 'champion for the human race' isn't even anything like an argument in the first place). In fact, "that people have latched onto" is a much better indication that he doesn't have anyone specific in mind, and it reads much more in the vein of an abstract/idealized "they." It's also pretty clear that it's a simplified, somewhat caricatured interpretation of opposing points of view, which all make it not at all a straw man. Okay, you're a dumbass. And that sort of response is exactly why you quickly out yourself as not being educated about this stuff. If you want to try to fool anyone, you need to put more effort into learning something about what you try to present yourself as an expert in.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 19:18:38 GMT
And that sort of response is exactly why you quickly out yourself as not being educated about this stuff. If you want to try to fool anyone, you need to put more effort into learning something about what you try to present yourself as an expert in. Or it shows i quickly lose patience with dumbasses. But good luck with your version. Whether you like it or not, his "abortion as the champion" line was a strawman.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 19:21:51 GMT
And that sort of response is exactly why you quickly out yourself as not being educated about this stuff. If you want to try to fool anyone, you need to put more effort into learning something about what you try to present yourself as an expert in. Or it shows i quickly lose patience with dumbasses. But good luck with your version. Whether you like it or not, his "abortion as the champion" line was a strawman. Why don't we just ask cooljgs whose argument he was presenting (re "abortion 'as the champion'")?
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 19:23:15 GMT
Or it shows i quickly lose patience with dumbasses. But good luck with your version. Whether you like it or not, his "abortion as the champion" line was a strawman. Why don't we just ask cooljgs whose argument he was presenting (re "abortion 'as the champion'")? Why don't we just ask Donald Trump if he's a racist, sex-offender and an imbecile?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 19:27:56 GMT
Why don't we just ask cooljgs whose argument he was presenting (re "abortion 'as the champion'")? Why don't we just ask Donald Trump if he's a racist, sex-offender and an imbecile? People can lie, but do you believe that you can know someone's beliefs, intentions, etc. better than they do? I'd not be at all surprised that you might believe that, but that would simply tell me unflattering info about you.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 6, 2018 19:32:20 GMT
Why don't we just ask Donald Trump if he's a racist, sex-offender and an imbecile? People can lie, but do you believe that you can know someone's beliefs, intentions, etc. better than they do? I'd not be at all surprised that you might believe that, but that would simply tell me unflattering info about you. Cooljgs, formerly Smithjgs, is a well-practiced liar. One of my favorites is spending years trying to get him to support his claim that "Abiogenesis is pseudoscience" only to have him claim he has supported it. I'm still waiting for him to support that claim and not try to shift the burden of proof. Oh wait, I might have just fucked up, your next act may be to try to argue about what burden of proof means. In any event, I'm not taking the word of someone I already know for a fact is a liar.
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