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Post by movieliker on Feb 7, 2018 9:30:58 GMT
Where are the Romulans?
I haven't seen all of the second season (2018) yet. But I think it is more melodramatic than any other Star Trek series I have seen. They seem to spend less time on outer space, alien species and discovery. And more on inter ship relations and personality conflicts. At times it just seems like a soap opera in space.
It does have good production value and special effects. But the technology seems to take a back seat to the emotion. The lead character is very emotional. All the characters are.
And this series is supposed to take place before Captain Kirk. I don't remember the Klingons having any mention during The Original Series.
But since the Klingons are major characters, where are the Romulins?
Anyway, just some observations.
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 12:16:41 GMT
Romulans were living in isolation behind the Neutral Zone at this time. From the end of the Earth-Romulan was in the 2150s/2160s, nobody heard from them until the episode Balance of Terror during the original series.
Naturally, Discovery will probably do episodes with them anyway next season. Because if there's one thing Discovery loves to do, it's take a giant shit on Trek canon every chance it gets.
And Klingons were mentioned during the original series, quite often. They feature in Elaan of Troyius, Errand of Mercy, The Trouble with Tribbles, Friday's Child... and that's just off the top of my head.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 7, 2018 20:18:45 GMT
Where are the Romulans? I haven't seen all of the second season (2018) yet. But I think it is more melodramatic than any other Star Trek series I have seen. They seem to spend less time on outer space, alien species and discovery. And more on inter ship relations and personality conflicts. At times it just seems like a soap opera in space. It does have good production value and special effects. But the technology seems to take a back seat to the emotion. The lead character is very emotional. All the characters are. And this series is supposed to take place before Captain Kirk. I don't remember the Klingons having any mention during The Original Series. But since the Klingons are major characters, where are the Romulins? Anyway, just some observations. What do you think? The Klingons were pretty important in the original series. Perhaps you don't remember them because they didn't look the same as they did starting from the TOS movies and then on all later series before Discovery. In the original series, they looked exactly like human beings, only with different clothes and facial hair. No cranial ridges, and certainly not the horrendous orc look that they have on Discovery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 23:01:18 GMT
Fun fact : Vulcan and Romulans necessitated a makeup/prosthesis job for the ears, of course. This took time and expense, which the original series could ill afford. And that's why the Klingons were invented - their makeup job was way cheaper.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 2:26:45 GMT
Where are the Romulans? I haven't seen all of the second season (2018) yet. But I think it is more melodramatic than any other Star Trek series I have seen. They seem to spend less time on outer space, alien species and discovery. And more on inter ship relations and personality conflicts. At times it just seems like a soap opera in space. It does have good production value and special effects. But the technology seems to take a back seat to the emotion. The lead character is very emotional. All the characters are. And this series is supposed to take place before Captain Kirk. I don't remember the Klingons having any mention during The Original Series. But since the Klingons are major characters, where are the Romulins? Anyway, just some observations. What do you think? The Klingons were pretty important in the original series. Perhaps you don't remember them because they didn't look the same as they did starting from the TOS movies and then on all later series before Discovery. In the original series, they looked exactly like human beings, only with different clothes and facial hair. No cranial ridges, and certainly not the horrendous orc look that they have on Discovery. Thanks. I went back and looked for them. And I couldn't find anything looking remotely like anything I have seen since The Next Generation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 11:25:19 GMT
About a hundred years before TOS there was a virus that affected most of the Klingon species, which erased the cranial ridges. So they looked human for a long while.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 8, 2018 12:48:51 GMT
The Klingons were pretty important in the original series. Perhaps you don't remember them because they didn't look the same as they did starting from the TOS movies and then on all later series before Discovery. In the original series, they looked exactly like human beings, only with different clothes and facial hair. No cranial ridges, and certainly not the horrendous orc look that they have on Discovery. Thanks. I went back and looked for them. And I couldn't find anything looking remotely like anything I have seen since The Next Generation. That is what I was trying to explain. The look that you are thinking about (let's call it the Worf look) was introduced in one of the movies featuring the original crew. Before that, the Klingons looked like human beings.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 16:58:30 GMT
Thanks. I went back and looked for them. And I couldn't find anything looking remotely like anything I have seen since The Next Generation. That is what I was trying to explain. The look that you are thinking about (let's call it the Worf look) was introduced in one of the movies featuring the original crew. Before that, the Klingons looked like human beings. You did a good job explaining it. I was just telling what I had done before I got your explanation. I was never a The Original Series fan. I was too young when that came out. I was turned off by its campiness. And the metaphor probably went over my head. I never really got into Star Trek until the Next Generation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 17:48:47 GMT
They're trying something new for which I applaud them. Though it's a shame that the lead character is the least interesting (always a problem when you're trying to sell a series). I think they may be guilty of trying to throw too much at the screen but I'm willing to forgive that for the most part. And they could certainly stand to add a little more light and fun to proceedings (which they managed to screw up with a weirdly dark and unpleasant Harry Mudd) but all-in-all, I'm enjoying it and like that they have an ongoing format rather than the standard episodic stuff (which would bore me to be honest).
I think people are right when they say The Orville is closer to the old stuff but the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:41:04 GMT
the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly. Orville is at least ten times better than Discovery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:42:58 GMT
the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly. Orville is at least ten times better than Discovery. If you're drunk, maybe. It's fucking abysmal.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 19:45:41 GMT
They're trying something new for which I applaud them. Though it's a shame that the lead character is the least interesting (always a problem when you're trying to sell a series). I think they may be guilty of trying to throw too much at the screen but I'm willing to forgive that for the most part. And they could certainly stand to add a little more light and fun to proceedings (which they managed to screw up with a weirdly dark and unpleasant Harry Mudd) but all-in-all, I'm enjoying it and like that they have an ongoing format rather than the standard episodic stuff (which would bore me to be honest). I think people are right when they say The Orville is closer to the old stuff but the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly. Discovery is a drama. Orville is a comedy. Discovery is supposed to be taken seriously. Orville is supposed to be a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:47:41 GMT
They're trying something new for which I applaud them. Though it's a shame that the lead character is the least interesting (always a problem when you're trying to sell a series). I think they may be guilty of trying to throw too much at the screen but I'm willing to forgive that for the most part. And they could certainly stand to add a little more light and fun to proceedings (which they managed to screw up with a weirdly dark and unpleasant Harry Mudd) but all-in-all, I'm enjoying it and like that they have an ongoing format rather than the standard episodic stuff (which would bore me to be honest). I think people are right when they say The Orville is closer to the old stuff but the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly. Orville is a comedy. Then someone should tell the writers.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 19:47:49 GMT
They're trying something new for which I applaud them. Though it's a shame that the lead character is the least interesting (always a problem when you're trying to sell a series). I think they may be guilty of trying to throw too much at the screen but I'm willing to forgive that for the most part. And they could certainly stand to add a little more light and fun to proceedings (which they managed to screw up with a weirdly dark and unpleasant Harry Mudd) but all-in-all, I'm enjoying it and like that they have an ongoing format rather than the standard episodic stuff (which would bore me to be honest). I think people are right when they say The Orville is closer to the old stuff but the Orville is absolute pish quite frankly. Good point about no lite parts. It is way too serious. And way too emotional and melodramatic. The characters end up seeming unprofessional. Always emoting about everything.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 19:49:04 GMT
Then someone should tell the writers. It is supposed to be satire. Not a knee slapping, hilarious, laugh riot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:54:33 GMT
Orville is at least ten times better than Discovery. If you're drunk, maybe. It's fucking abysmal. Nope. Writing, acting, characters, sets, effects, tone... all far superior to the garbage of Discovery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:00:46 GMT
If you're drunk, maybe. It's fucking abysmal. Nope. Writing, acting, characters, sets, effects, tone... all far superior to the garbage of Discovery. It's truly terrible. I'm glad you like it though.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 8, 2018 20:17:02 GMT
If you're drunk, maybe. It's fucking abysmal. Nope. Writing, acting, characters, sets, effects, tone... all far superior to the garbage of Discovery. I like it in a Seth McFarlane/Family Guy type of way. I love Family Guy (the good years. I don't think it is funny anymore.) I watch the good seasons regularly on Netflix. Everybody doesn't like Family Guy. So, Orville won't be for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:18:18 GMT
Nope. Writing, acting, characters, sets, effects, tone... all far superior to the garbage of Discovery. It's truly terrible. No, it really isn't. Why thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:22:33 GMT
Nope. Writing, acting, characters, sets, effects, tone... all far superior to the garbage of Discovery. I like it in a Seth McFarlane/Family Guy type of way. I love Family Guy (the good years. I don't think it is funny anymore.) I watch the good seasons regularly on Netflix. Everybody doesn't like Family Guy. So, Orville won't be for everybody. I think a lot of people expected Orville to be "Family Guy in space". I suspect that's why it got bad reviews; people reviewed their expectations rather than the actual show. Because it really isn't Family Guy in space at all. When it was coming, I hoped for it to be a good sci-fi show with some humour sprinkled around. And it did exactly that, beyond my wildest dreams. So ironic that in the year we got a Star Trek show that isn't a real Star Trek show, we got a non Star Trek show that is a real Star Trek show.
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