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Post by summers8 on Feb 11, 2018 8:35:25 GMT
I think people would take your opinions more seriously if you didn’t call an entire fanbase dumb, summers8. I did not call an entire fan base dumb. I said mcu fans think people are dumb like marvel studios. marvel are the people that admitted they make dumb movies, this is the reason mickey rourke quit. he confirmed that marvel hired him to play a mindless character in a dumb movie. I am not making it up. its the truth. screenrant.com/mickey-rourke-iron-man-2-marvel-movies/Mickey Rourke Really Doesn’t Like ‘Iron Man 2’; Calls Marvel Movies ‘Mindless’ Mickey in his own words. lol. so who will read or see this and not reason with mickey? no one, its just a natural law.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 11, 2018 8:38:20 GMT
None of them EVER worked with MCU before - maybe aside from Tim Miller. any smart person will hate thor 3. no smart person will say so. only mcu fans. sorry but is true. its not hate.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 11, 2018 8:39:12 GMT
I think people would take your opinions more seriously if you didn’t call an entire fanbase dumb, summers8. I did not call an entire fan base dumb. I said mcu fans think people are dumb like marvel studios. marvel are the people that admitted they make dumb movies, this is the reason mickey rourke quit. he confirmed that marvel hired him to play a mindless character in a dumb movie. I am not making it up. its the truth. screenrant.com/mickey-rourke-iron-man-2-marvel-movies/Mickey Rourke Really Doesn’t Like ‘Iron Man 2’; Calls Marvel Movies ‘Mindless’ Mickey in his own words. lol. so who will read or see this and not reason with mickey? no one, its just a natural law. 1. Mickey Rourke is also known to be quite difficult to deal with, which I think he even admitted at one point.
2. If anything, he was a victim of Ike Perlmutter's stupidity - just like many others.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 11, 2018 8:53:05 GMT
You know what is not smart, summers8? Thinking a person has to have a lack of intelligence in order to enjoy some movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 9:32:38 GMT
You know what is not smart, summers8? Thinking a person has to have a lack of intelligence in order to enjoy some movies. Exactly, one of my friends in University is working towards a Doctoral and *gasp* he loves MCU movies.
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Post by hardball on Feb 11, 2018 10:42:24 GMT
I think people would take your opinions more seriously if you didn’t call an entire fanbase dumb, summers8. I did not call an entire fan base dumb. I said mcu fans think people are dumb like marvel studios.marvel are the people that admitted they make dumb movies, this is the reason mickey rourke quit. he confirmed that marvel hired him to play a mindless character in a dumb movie. I am not making it up. its the truth. screenrant.com/mickey-rourke-iron-man-2-marvel-movies/Mickey Rourke Really Doesn’t Like ‘Iron Man 2’; Calls Marvel Movies ‘Mindless’ Mickey in his own words. lol. so who will read or see this and not reason with mickey? no one, its just a natural law. You didn't say some, few or many MCU fans. You said "MCU fans". So yeah, you did call the entire MCU fanbase dumb.
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Post by hardball on Feb 11, 2018 10:54:30 GMT
LOL at Rourke, calling IM2 mindless and then taking part in the Expendables and Immortals.
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Post by hardball on Feb 11, 2018 11:11:19 GMT
' any smart person will hate thor 3. '
That is an assumption, not established fact. Assuming something is factual without any evidence is well, not very smart.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 11:53:01 GMT
Personally, I think the MCU’s biggest mistake is they devalued Spider-Man by making him into one of the lower level superheroes in the universe instead of the leader or an equal to Captain America, the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Thor. I mean some people might compare what the MCU is doing with Spider-Man and Iron Man to what the DCEU is doing to The Flash and Batman but you are forgetting one major difference and that is Spider-Man’s IS Marvel’s equivalent to Superman and the Flash isn’t even in DC’s Top 5. Spider-Man is the biggest selling Marvel superhero of all time. There hasn’t been another Marvel superhero that has come close to the success he has had and if it wasn’t for Spider-Man not only would the MCU not exist as Kevin Feige has actually said, Marvel most likely wouldn’t exist as a comic book company either. The majority of Marvel’s success over the past 50 plus years is solely ‘cause of Spider-Man and when they brought him into the MCU he should have been put on top and should be the leader of the Avengers and the other Avengers should be in awe of him. Spider-Man should be on a completely different level than all of them as a hero and a fighter.
In not just a few but a large amount of ‘Spider-Man’ comics when Spider-Man teams with the other superheroes you knew who was running the show and the other superheroes took after Spider-Man and did what he wanted them to do a lot of the time 'cause Spider-Man was the big superhero and had taken down some of the most dangerous villains in the world and saved the world multiple times by himself. While I have heard Tobey Maguire has said he wouldn't play Spider-Man again 'cause he feels like he is getting too old for the role and doesn't want to have to work out a lot for the role I think they should have gone with an older actor who had been Spider-Man for a number of years instead of rebooting the franchise for the third time. The DCEU have undoubtably made a lot of mistakes but the one mistake they didn’t make was introducing Superman as Superboy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 13:03:07 GMT
Personally, I think the MCU’s biggest mistake is they devalued Spider-Man by making him into one of the lower level superheroes in the universe instead of the leader or an equal to Captain America, the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Thor. Well, they didn't have a real choice. They only got him back after the MCU had been established and figured the best way to avoid a continuity headache was to introduce him as a new hero who was just starting out. And they wanted to do stories of him in High School instead of skipping that the way the Raimi movies did and avoid the problems of casting a 30 something in the role.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 13:23:22 GMT
You know what is not smart, summers8? Thinking a person has to have a lack of intelligence in order to enjoy some movies. I've spoken to him on another forum. He basically hates the MCU for existing at all because he thinks all CBMs should be "grounded" with no costumes or aliens or magic or even superhero names. And the villains should really be the stars of the film with the story all about them. Anything actual comic-booky has to be expunged because it's inherently bad. The MCU gave this attitude the finger and made a roaring success out of actual comic book stuff in its movies, and the heroes being the actual stars instead of the villains. And people like him just can't stand that.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 11, 2018 13:26:42 GMT
You know what is not smart, summers8? Thinking a person has to have a lack of intelligence in order to enjoy some movies. I've spoken to him on another forum. He basically hates the MCU for existing at all because he thinks all CBMs should be "grounded" with no costumes or aliens or magic or even superhero names. And the villains should really be the stars of the film with the story all about them. Anything actual comic-booky has to be expunged because it's inherently bad. The MCU gave this attitude the finger and made a roaring success out of actual comic book stuff in its movies, and the heroes being the actual stars instead of the villains. And people like him just can't stand that. All wrong. He just wants CBMs to be more mature and intelligent and not overly childish with little stakes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 13:30:46 GMT
I've spoken to him on another forum. He basically hates the MCU for existing at all because he thinks all CBMs should be "grounded" with no costumes or aliens or magic or even superhero names. And the villains should really be the stars of the film with the story all about them. Anything actual comic-booky has to be expunged because it's inherently bad. The MCU gave this attitude the finger and made a roaring success out of actual comic book stuff in its movies, and the heroes being the actual stars instead of the villains. And people like him just can't stand that. All wrong. He just wants CBMs to be more Grounded and ashamed and anti-wonder. With no costumes, the villains the real stars of the show, no codenames, no really cool stuff like space aliens or magic, just really creatively bankrupt stuff. Remember that thing about Thor being turned into a Cult of deranged LARPers? That's the kind of stuff he wants. They aren't going to mass execute the entire cast and destroy the world every movie, deal with it. They're about bringing the comics to life, and most of the time the comics have the characters dealing with non-world ending stuff. Your "stakes" are silly. The only reason you complain about that is because the MCU people were nice enough to tell us about future movies in advance, and instead of being grateful you just complain more.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 11, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
Of course the MCU movies took some inspiration and similarities to the older superhero movies. When have I ever said it didn't? But that has zero to do with what I'm saying because that still doesn't change the fact the the MCU movies have taken more risks than other studios with their movies. I think you're getting confused. The precedence of a movie does not make that movie more or less risky than others. That's not what dictates whether a movie is risky or not. That's (a) a gross oversimplification of what I wrote that evinces a misunderstanding of my point entirely and (b) actually untrue in and of itself. It's absolutely inherently riskier doing something for the first time than the hundred and fifteenth, because people have the capacity to study and learn. Or at least some of them. And yet that's all you ever seem to say. You have yet to tell me how DC and fox films are riskier than MCU films other than "They came first".
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Post by dazz on Feb 11, 2018 19:29:21 GMT
Personally, I think the MCU’s biggest mistake is they devalued Spider-Man by making him into one of the lower level superheroes in the universe instead of the leader or an equal to Captain America, the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Thor. I mean some people might compare what the MCU is doing with Spider-Man and Iron Man to what the DCEU is doing to The Flash and Batman but you are forgetting one major difference and that is Spider-Man’s IS Marvel’s equivalent to Superman and the Flash isn’t even in DC’s Top 5. Spider-Man is the biggest selling Marvel superhero of all time. There hasn’t been another Marvel superhero that has come close to the success he has had and if it wasn’t for Spider-Man not only would the MCU not exist as Kevin Feige has actually said, Marvel most likely wouldn’t exist as a comic book company either. The majority of Marvel’s success over the past 50 plus years is solely ‘cause of Spider-Man and when they brought him into the MCU he should have been put on top and should be the leader of the Avengers and the other Avengers should be in awe of him. Spider-Man should be on a completely different level than all of them as a hero and a fighter.
In not just a few but a large amount of ‘Spider-Man’ comics when Spider-Man teams with the other superheroes you knew who was running the show and the other superheroes took after Spider-Man and did what he wanted them to do a lot of the time 'cause Spider-Man was the big superhero and had taken down some of the most dangerous villains in the world and saved the world multiple times by himself. While I have heard Tobey Maguire has said he wouldn't play Spider-Man again 'cause he feels like he is getting too old for the role and doesn't want to have to work out a lot for the role I think they should have gone with an older actor who had been Spider-Man for a number of years instead of rebooting the franchise for the third time. The DCEU have undoubtably made a lot of mistakes but the one mistake they didn’t make was introducing Superman as Superboy. Respectfully disagree with you here Deb, the Spidey you are describing from the comics cant exist as of now in the MCU, that Spidey has been around with those other heroes for years they are peers in the hero game, MCU Spidey by the structure of the MCU's history cannot be that, Iron Man and co have been around a decade and Spidey is only just becoming a hero, you cant have the guy whose greatest heroic moment being having caught a car stand as an equal to Cap or Tony, atleast not right away, which I think is the point, they want Spidey to be the centrepiece along with Black Panther & maybe Cap Marvel, so long as they can work out a ongoing deal with Sony.
Also they don't want to do the DC thing where they promote only what sells as big because that's how you wind up with Batman as an A1 hero with Superman & Wonder Woman as A2 but the disparity between A1 & A2 being an off the edge of a cliff like plummet, via the MCU Marvel elevated so many of their characters to top tier status to then bring in Spidey and slap them in the face with his Spidey-cock just devalues their brands, and because Spidey is going back to Sony eventually the last thing they want to do is elevate Spidey at the cost of Iron Man and such, if they can do it without fucking themselves then it's fine but to devalue your own brands to elevate another just because he sells more comics is not smart + doing so only really appeals to comic fans which are probably at best 10% of the audience.
As is Spidey is positioned as a centrepiece if you think Iron Man kicked of Phase 1 & 2 Cap kicked off Phase 3 and Spidey is the guy they are launching Phase 4 with, that kind of shows imo that Spidey is going to grow into that main hero if Marvel has their way with things.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 11, 2018 19:54:31 GMT
That's (a) a gross oversimplification of what I wrote that evinces a misunderstanding of my point entirely and (b) actually untrue in and of itself. It's absolutely inherently riskier doing something for the first time than the hundred and fifteenth, because people have the capacity to study and learn. Or at least some of them. And yet that's all you ever seem to say. You have yet to tell me how DC and fox films are riskier than MCU films other than "They came first". It's less risky to watch a half dozen (or more) other studios make dozens of comic book movies of over several decades, see what works and what doesn't, and then attempt to improve on those failures and successes of the people on whose work theirs is predicated. That's... literally what Newton is saying when he says he stood "on the shoulders of giants." Do you honestly not understand the meaning of one of the most famous quotes in the history of humanity? I kind of don't know what other words to use to explain to you that building the foundation of a pyramid takes longer, is more of a risk, and is more difficult than the top. Derp.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 11, 2018 20:11:06 GMT
And yet that's all you ever seem to say. You have yet to tell me how DC and fox films are riskier than MCU films other than "They came first". It's less risky to watch a half dozen (or more) other studios make dozens of comic book movies of over several decades, see what works and what doesn't, and then attempt to improve on those failures and successes of the people on whose work theirs is predicated. That's... literally what Newton is saying when he says he stood "on the shoulders of giants." Do you honestly not understand the meaning of one of the most famous quotes in the history of humanity? I kind of don't know what other words to use to explain to you that building the foundation of a pyramid takes longer, is more of a risk, and is more difficult than the top. Derp. So building the first skyscraper is less risky than building the first hut? Sure. You focus far too much on a single aspect when there are multiple factors of risk to consider. Also, your pyramid analogy is completely dumb. Laying the first brick in the base is far less risky than laying the last brick on the top. No risk of it toppling down. No risk of the person laying it will fall off a great height, etc.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 11, 2018 20:20:48 GMT
It's less risky to watch a half dozen (or more) other studios make dozens of comic book movies of over several decades, see what works and what doesn't, and then attempt to improve on those failures and successes of the people on whose work theirs is predicated. That's... literally what Newton is saying when he says he stood "on the shoulders of giants." Do you honestly not understand the meaning of one of the most famous quotes in the history of humanity? I kind of don't know what other words to use to explain to you that building the foundation of a pyramid takes longer, is more of a risk, and is more difficult than the top. Derp. So building the first skyscraper is less risky than building the first hut? Sure. You focus far too much on a single aspect when there are multiple factors of risk to consider. Also, your pyramid analogy is completely dumb. Laying the first brick in the base is far less risky than laying the last brick on the top. No risk of it toppling down. No risk of the person laying it will fall off a great height, etc. Who said anything about skyscrapers and huts? The first skyscraper was a riskier venture than the most recent one built. Innit? I mean, it fucking literally is, but you'll disagree for the sake of being disagreeable. So go ahead and continue to embarrass yourself by waxing rhapsodic on a message board about how Bold and Daring a bunch of kids movies made by Disney are. Jesus, dude. I actually, physically cringe reading your responses in this thread.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 11, 2018 20:25:35 GMT
So building the first skyscraper is less risky than building the first hut? Sure. You focus far too much on a single aspect when there are multiple factors of risk to consider. Also, your pyramid analogy is completely dumb. Laying the first brick in the base is far less risky than laying the last brick on the top. No risk of it toppling down. No risk of the person laying it will fall off a great height, etc. Who said anything about skyscrapers and huts? The first skyscraper was a riskier venture than the most recent one built. Innit? I mean, it fucking literally is, but you'll disagree for the sake of being disagreeable. So go ahead and continue to embarrass yourself by waxing rhapsodic on a message board about how Bold and Daring a bunch of kids movies made by Disney are. Jesus, dude. I actually, physically cringe reading your responses in this thread. So you're complaining about skyscrapers when you brought pyramids into the discussion? You literally thought that laying the first brick down on a structure is riskier than laying the top. Again, do you understand the other factors that come into assessing risk? Do you even understand what risk means? Because it seems all you're trying to say is that the MCU movies wouldn't be around if it wasn't for earlier cbms. That's not the same as risk.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 11, 2018 20:26:35 GMT
So building the first skyscraper is less risky than building the first hut? Sure. You focus far too much on a single aspect when there are multiple factors of risk to consider. Also, your pyramid analogy is completely dumb. Laying the first brick in the base is far less risky than laying the last brick on the top. No risk of it toppling down. No risk of the person laying it will fall off a great height, etc. Who said anything about skyscrapers and huts? The first skyscraper was a riskier venture than the most recent one built. Innit? I mean, it fucking literally is, but you'll disagree for the sake of being disagreeable. So go ahead and continue to embarrass yourself by waxing rhapsodic on a message board about how Bold and Daring a bunch of kids movies made by Disney are. Jesus, dude. I actually, physically cringe reading your responses in this thread. the analogy of huts vs skyscrapers is nonsensical anyway if it is to reflect MCU's influence. It's rather traditional food restaurant vs industrial junk food franchises.
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