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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:10:58 GMT
Having never seen the original Godzilla I'm confused about a few things...
1) Should I watch the original Japanese 1954 version or the 1956 Americanized version of it?
2) Are these versions dubbed or subtitled?
3) What are the other basic differences between them?
4) Which version is the one that caused the movie to become so iconic? Meaning, when it comes to pop culture which is the definitive version?
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 10, 2018 20:17:03 GMT
Having never seen the original Godzilla I'm confused about a few things...
1) Should I watch the original Japanese 1954 version or the 1956 Americanized version of it?
2) Are these versions dubbed or subtitled?
3) What are the other basic differences between them?
4) Which version is the one that caused the movie to become so iconic? Meaning, when it comes to pop culture which is the definitive version?
1) Both.
2) Dubbed, but there could be a subtitled version.
3) No Raymond Burr, Raymond Burr.
4) Don't know...
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 10, 2018 20:32:29 GMT
Having never seen the original Godzilla I'm confused about a few things... 1) Should I watch the original Japanese 1954 version or the 1956 Americanized version of it? 2) Are these versions dubbed or subtitled? 3) What are the other basic differences between them? 4) Which version is the one that caused the movie to become so iconic? Meaning, when it comes to pop culture which is the definitive version? 1. Both, but the Japanese is better. 2. TCM showed the Japanese version a little while while ago. It was subtitles. 3. More meat to the Japanese version, less Ray Burr silliness. 4. Can't say It was a long time before I knew Burr wasn't in the original. Yeah, It's some doofus in a rubber suit and not CGI, but it's so cool. I grew up with the Toho rubber suit monsters. Every Saturday afternoon, you had "Creature Feature". Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, the Ray Harryhausen mythological films, Jason and the Argonauts, Sinbad. Great stuff.
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Post by teleadm on Feb 10, 2018 20:50:46 GMT
I recently watched the Godzilla 2014, and I'm not sure if Godzilla is some kind of undiliberate hero, he/she does it's thing and then disappears into the deep ocean. In some older Godzilla movies, there is some flying saucers, with Japanese girls, that has some kind of power so that they can steer Godzilla., Raymund Burr was a well known character actor at the time, but had not yet played Perry Mason, and was cheap enough, so they insereted a few scenes
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 10, 2018 21:05:46 GMT
The 1954 version is subtitled--the Raymond Burr version(1956) is more enjoyable--There's little difference in the films otherwise
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 10, 2018 21:08:40 GMT
I actually shed a few tears when I heard the original actor in the costume died which is very rare thing for me with celebrity deaths. Childhood impact ran deep I would say.
I grew up with the Burrzilla version but the original Gojira is better as a movie story. So I would say watch the Japanese version first, then check out Burrzilla if you want.
I have seen almost none of the post 60s ones. Smog Monster, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla 85, Godzilla 98, that's it. All the others I havent got to (yet).
I do enjoy the hokey 60s ones with the Japanese girls and weird dubbed dialogue.
"Dont you remember-my son is on the moon haha!"
"Oh yes haha! I remember! How is he doing? haha!"
There's a Chicago Godzilla convention where you can put on a monster costume and stomp around a miniature city.
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Post by mikef6 on Feb 10, 2018 22:04:24 GMT
The Raymond Burr American version appeared on TV in the U.S. in the early 1960s and was the only one that people over here even knew about. We all loved what we saw, though. It was much later that I realized how a real original vision has been made palatable to American TV watching zombies (like me, my family, and all my friends) by essentially remaking it with inserted scenes and re-edited. I didn’t get to see it as it should be until 2004. And what a great film it is. Remember, Japan is the only country in the world to be atomic bombed. Almost 10 years later, the Japanese people were still trying to come to grips with what had happened. A couple of great movies came out that dealt with the question. “Gojira” in 1954 and “Ikimono No Kiroku (I Live In Fear)” (1955). In case it was not obvious at this remove, the atomic bomb attacks are the sub-text of “Gojira.” (The Raymond Burr re-edit had no sub-text except to thrill which, admittedly, it did. I was in high school when it premiered on American TV. The next day it was the only topic of conversation at school.) These two important films are connected with one another is some major ways. 1) “Gojira” was directed and co-written by Ishirô Honda. Honda was a frequent script collaborator to Akira Kurosawa. Honda wrote the most well known story, “The Tunnel,” for Kurosawa’s “Dreams” (1990), which reflected Honda’s own war experiences. 2) Kurosawa directed and co-wrote the second film, “I Live In Fear.” 3) The great actor Takashi Shimura (Ikiru, The Seven Samurai) stars in both films. In Gojira he plays the scientist who wants to study rather than kill Godzilla. In one of Gojira’s most striking images, as Tokyo is being destroyed by fire, a mother and children wait for inevitable death by flames from above.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Feb 28, 2018 10:54:18 GMT
I really like "GODZILLA: KING OF THE MONSTERS" (the version with Raymond Burr).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 17:06:03 GMT
I really like " GODZILLA: KING OF THE MONSTERS" (the version with Raymond Burr). Have you seen the original cut though? I watched the Japanese version and liked it so much I couldn't bare to see it recut.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Feb 28, 2018 17:06:58 GMT
I really like " GODZILLA: KING OF THE MONSTERS" (the version with Raymond Burr). Have you seen the original cut though? I watched the Japanese version and liked it so much I couldn't bare to see it recut. Not Yet! I actually don't know where to find it. Is it online (maybe YOUTUBE ?) anywhere ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 17:08:53 GMT
Have you seen the original cut though? I watched the Japanese version and liked it so much I couldn't bare to see it recut. Not Yet! I actually don't know where to find it. Is it online (maybe YOUTUBE ?) anywhere ? It's on Blu Ray from the Criterion Collection. It's also currently free on Comcast demand, but that of course may vary depending on where you live...
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Post by Flynn on Mar 22, 2018 3:40:03 GMT
Having never seen the original Godzilla I'm confused about a few things... 1) Should I watch the original Japanese 1954 version or the 1956 Americanized version of it? 2) Are these versions dubbed or subtitled? 3) What are the other basic differences between them? 4) Which version is the one that caused the movie to become so iconic? Meaning, when it comes to pop culture which is the definitive version? I didn't see the original Japanese version until last summer when I checked the blu-ray out from my local library. I think you should watch the American version first, then the original Japanese version if you are still interested. I don't recall any dubbing. They are basically the same story told from different perspectives. The original is told like a traditional movie, with characters who move the plot forward. For the American version, new scenes with Raymond Burr were added where he watches a lot of the proceedings and has an assistant who translates what is going on. Burr also does a lot of narration over original footage. Because the scenes were added, they often have a weird disconnect with the Japanese scenes. The reason people say the Japanese version is better is because characters are doing rather than telling. In a way both, but in the US, it would be the US cut. For years people had no idea there was a different version. It's only after you find out about the other version that you realize why Burr's scenes are distanced from the Japanese scenes. Hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 4:42:39 GMT
Having never seen the original Godzilla I'm confused about a few things... 1) Should I watch the original Japanese 1954 version or the 1956 Americanized version of it? 2) Are these versions dubbed or subtitled? 3) What are the other basic differences between them? 4) Which version is the one that caused the movie to become so iconic? Meaning, when it comes to pop culture which is the definitive version? I didn't see the original Japanese version until last summer when I checked the blu-ray out from my local library. I think you should watch the American version first, then the original Japanese version if you are still interested. I don't recall any dubbing. They are basically the same story told from different perspectives. The original is told like a traditional movie, with characters who move the plot forward. For the American version, new scenes with Raymond Burr were added where he watches a lot of the proceedings and has an assistant who translates what is going on. Burr also does a lot of narration over original footage. Because the scenes were added, they often have a weird disconnect with the Japanese scenes. The reason people say the Japanese version is better is because characters are doing rather than telling. In a way both, but in the US, it would be the US cut. For years people had no idea there was a different version. It's only after you find out about the other version that you realize why Burr's scenes are distanced from the Japanese scenes. Hope that helps. Thanks! I ended up seeing the Japanese version and loved it. Bought the blu Ray. Watched it again. I really have no interest in the recut version now.
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Post by Flynn on Mar 24, 2018 5:35:19 GMT
Yeah, once you see the source footage, it's hard to see the American version in the same way as before. I'm glad they made the American version though, as it is interesting to see the same movie told from a different point of view. I think the American version would have been much better had all the footage been refilmed and better incorporated into a cohesive whole. But I guess we'll never know.
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