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Post by lostinlimbo on Feb 11, 2018 1:39:06 GMT
Anybody else curious, or watched the latest Hellraiser DTV film; "Judgement"?
I've only seen the first four films & Revelations (thanks to it just being there on Netflix), but "Judgement" really did pique my interest after viewing the trailer and doing some reading up on it. I know you can't always put your trust in a trailer, and it looks like your basic DTV production rushed in to keep the rights to the franchise, yet something about it had me thinking positive; possibly looking & sounding more Hellraiser-esque(?), and a better casting choice (although Doug Bradley is the ultimate pick) for Pinhead than the previous outing. You know, it can't be any worse than "Revelations", right?
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Post by Reynard on Feb 11, 2018 1:51:33 GMT
I didn't bother with "Revelations" - why I bothered with other sequels after "Bloodline" is something I can't explain. "Judgement" does indeed look like another one that was made just to keep the rights. It seems that more and more of these "old dog" franchises are stuck with new sequels getting made just for the sake of keeping the rights, while the planned properly budgeted reboots mostly fail to happen.
The best thing for this series would be to completely move away from Pinhead & gimmicky new Cenobites and do something else with the mythology. Hellraiser: Inferno was a weird entry to the series but in a way I liked what it was trying to do.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 11, 2018 14:54:52 GMT
I saw the trailer and it didn't look too bad (although from what I fear it could just be another Revelations). The cenobites look unique.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 12, 2018 6:37:55 GMT
I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be terrible, but I still want to see it. No one could be a better Pinhead than Doug Bradley, but I think the new guy looks pretty creepy. Much creepier than the guy in Revelations anyway.
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Post by lostinlimbo on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:19 GMT
I didn't bother with "Revelations" - why I bothered with other sequels after "Bloodline" is something I can't explain. "Judgement" does indeed look like another one that was made just to keep the rights. It seems that more and more of these "old dog" franchises are stuck with new sequels getting made just for the sake of keeping the rights, while the planned properly budgeted reboots mostly fail to happen. The best thing for this series would be to completely move away from Pinhead & gimmicky new Cenobites and do something else with the mythology. Hellraiser: Inferno was a weird entry to the series but in a way I liked what it was trying to do. "Revelations" was an all round weak attempt. I wouldn't mind them going back to Barker's source material, maybe even the latest "The Scarlet Gospels" for ideas. But in the end you like to see the studios take it seriously - splashing out some money and putting time into it. I do see "Inferno" get thrown around a lot as the best of the DTV bunch, which is strange being that the story originally had nothing to do with the hellraiser universe. I'll probably check 'em out sooner than later. |
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Post by lostinlimbo on Feb 12, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be terrible, but I still want to see it. No one could be a better Pinhead than Doug Bradley, but I think the new guy looks pretty creepy. Much creepier than the guy in Revelations anyway. If it's terrible, which going by the track record is most likely, hopefully it's entertainingly so in delivering its set-pieces. I gotta say the cenobities, especially Pinhead's make-up looks like an improvement over the previous film. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 12, 2018 17:44:41 GMT
I do see "Inferno" get thrown around a lot as the best of the DTV bunch, which is strange being that the story originally had nothing to do with the hellraiser universe. I'll probably check 'em out sooner than later. Yeah it's weird. You can tell that it could have been an unrelated script, because the characters have no relationship to anything in previous movies, but it just happens to be the best of the later, unrelated sequels. It's a decent story and it's well directed and has an appropriate mind fuck kind of trippy quality to it. It works overall and even though you can tell that it was a separate story adapted to fit in to the Hellraiser series, it actually makes sense in its own context. This new one looks shitty, and really cheap. It looks like a relatively decent fan film as opposed to an official, studio produced, major release made entirely by professionals. Naturally, that still means it looks about a million times better than the last one, but I do fear that this one is also a quickie just to keep the rights. A buddy of mine met the new Pinhead, and he nothing but good things to say about the guy, and he looks decent enough here. I think if the movie is bad it will likely not be his fault. He's taking a good attitude toward it if you ever hear what he has to say about it. I hope it's good, but despite some fairly nice looking shots, the whole thing seems really small in scale and looks cheaply made. It has a very digital, camcorder-ish look to the cinematography, and all of these torture set piece shots we see in the trailer seem to be shot in one poorly lit room. I think this was likely a very amateurish production, and I'm really not expecting much. |
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Post by hairbox on Feb 12, 2018 23:30:29 GMT
Just watched it earlier today. It tries to be edgy, but it still comes off as DTV crap. The director may mean well, and the effects are alright, but the story is basic rehashed crap. Again, nothing new in this franchise.
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Post by BlunteD on Feb 12, 2018 23:50:35 GMT
Looks absolutely atrocious, mate. That's my 2 cents.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 13, 2018 1:00:36 GMT
Just watched it earlier today. It tries to be edgy, but it still comes off as DTV crap. The director may mean well, and the effects are alright, but the story is basic rehashed crap. Again, nothing new in this franchise. Not surprised. Is there atleast a good amount of (non-CG) gore? |
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Post by Reynard on Feb 13, 2018 3:12:38 GMT
I do see "Inferno" get thrown around a lot as the best of the DTV bunch, which is strange being that the story originally had nothing to do with the hellraiser universe. I'll probably check 'em out sooner than later. Yeah it's weird. You can tell that it could have been an unrelated script, because the characters have no relationship to anything in previous movies, but it just happens to be the best of the later, unrelated sequels. It's a decent story and it's well directed and has an appropriate mind fuck kind of trippy quality to it. It works overall and even though you can tell that it was a separate story adapted to fit in to the Hellraiser series, it actually makes sense in its own context. This new one looks shitty, and really cheap. It looks like a relatively decent fan film as opposed to an official, studio produced, major release made entirely by professionals. Naturally, that still means it looks about a million times better than the last one, but I do fear that this one is also a quickie just to keep the rights. A buddy of mine met the new Pinhead, and he nothing but good things to say about the guy, and he looks decent enough here. I think if the movie is bad it will likely not be his fault. He's taking a good attitude toward it if you ever hear what he has to say about it. I hope it's good, but despite some fairly nice looking shots, the whole thing seems really small in scale and looks cheaply made. It has a very digital, camcorder-ish look to the cinematography, and all of these torture set piece shots we see in the trailer seem to be shot in one poorly lit room. I think this was likely a very amateurish production, and I'm really not expecting much. Hellraiser: Inferno doesn't really feel like part of the series, but then again I could say that about all sequels after Hellraiser: Bloodline, which in my opinion was the end of "proper" Hellraiser series. The rest is more like fanfiction. While everyone probably know this already, Inferno was the debut feature of Scott Derrickson, who has since directed The Exorcism of Emily Rose, Sinister and Deliver Us From Evil. I rented Inferno when it was released on video and though that it was very well put together and with very good cinematography. Certainly the last in the franchise so far to look like a real movie. It's nice that he was able to work his way up from that cheapie sequel hell, since Derrickson so obviously has talent. Inferno was also to last to have some style and a proper script with themes, even though they were not themes that one would expect to find written into a Hellraiser movie. Hellseeker and Deader felt like something written by edgy teenage nihilists, and I'm too old to watch shit like that now. Hellworld was some kind of weird mobile phone / teen horror with Pinhead shoehorned in at the last moment. I dare say that it's actually slightly more watchable than the previous two, but that's not really much. Judgement looks like a return to Hellseeker / Deader style and sadly hairbox's comment only adds to that bad feeling. And yeah, I don't love this modern cheap digital cinematography either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 14:35:34 GMT
The official Hellraiser Ranking: 1) I 2) V: Inferno 3) VI: Hellseeker 4) II: Hellbound 5) VII: Deader 6) III: Hell on Earth Bloodlines, Revelations and Hellworld are giant turds - although I must admit I haven't given Hellworld a proper watch yet as I've seemed to have one too many of these babies one attempting to put the DVD in -  |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 13, 2018 15:08:47 GMT
"Deader" Is by far the worst title, in series with generally really bad titles overall past the first one... But it is among the less terrible movies in the series.
I know people really like part 2, but I remember it being extremely cheesy and having really shoddy and laughable effects and an overly simple story line with 2 main characters who I didn't care about at all.
But I haven't seen it in a while.
I also remember not actually hating 'Bloodline' all that much, even with the whole Pinhead in space lame novelty act. I remember thinking that the different timelines weren't such a bad approach and sort of reinforced the ancient and timeless aspect of the demonic nature of the cenobites, or whatever. But I haven't seen that one in a while either, and my expectations were extremely low, so I think I was probably just surprised. Maybe if I saw them again I'd rate it a little lower and part 2 a little higher, but I do not feel any real compulsion to do so.
Hellworld fucking sucked though. The only reasons to see it are if you are completionist, if you wanna see a young pre-Superman Henry Cavill, or if you can tolerate an awful movie as long as it features Lance Henrikson.
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Post by Reynard on Feb 13, 2018 15:34:25 GMT
I kinda like Bloodline, even though it's somewhat uneven. For a third sequel, and for a very troubled "Alan Smithee" production it sure is much better than one would expect. What it was trying to do with the mythology was very interesting, and because of the whole "epic" concept for once setting some of the story into space didn't feel stupid at all. I think it also has the best musical score of the series. Yagher's original director's cut would be interesting, though I think that the studio decision to re-arrange the space station scenes into a wraparound story was actually very good and the final confrontation was much improved too. What I didn't like were the added Pinhead scenes with his increasingly pompous monologues, and all these slasher-esque kills.
Hellbound hasn't aged so well, but I like how surreal and "extreme" it is for a relatively mainstream production. However re-watching it in HD showed how poorly some of the opticals were made and how the Labyrinth is just few studio props re-arranged over and over again. Leviathan was easily the best part, along with some things happening in the Labyrith. That mute girl was really cute too. I definitely prefer both of these to Hell on Earth, which was far too standard mainstream sequel just trying to sell more Pinhead t-shirts and stuff.
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Post by Reynard on Feb 13, 2018 15:52:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:23:19 GMT
"Deader" Is by far the worst title, in series with generally really bad titles overall past the first one... But it is among the less terrible movies in the series. I know people really like part 2, but I remember it being extremely cheesy and having really shoddy and laughable effects and an overly simple story line with 2 main characters who I didn't care about at all. But I haven't seen it in a while. I also remember not actually hating 'Bloodline' all that much, even with the whole Pinhead in space lame novelty act. I remember thinking that the different timelines weren't such a bad approach and sort of reinforced the ancient and timeless aspect of the demonic nature of the cenobites, or whatever. But I haven't seen that one in a while either, and my expectations were extremely low, so I think I was probably just surprised. Maybe if I saw them again I'd rate it a little lower and part 2 a little higher, but I do not feel any real compulsion to do so. Hellworld fucking sucked though. The only reasons to see it are if you are completionist, if you wanna see a young pre-Superman Henry Cavill, or if you can tolerate an awful movie as long as it features Lance Henrikson. I'm in awe of how some regard II the best in the franchise and hold it over I. To each their own - we all have different tastes - but I think it was highly overrated and to me - gore does not equal a good movie. Plus the acting was abysmal (the mute chick who looked like Brad Pitt). Also - I get hated on for this viewpoint - I know hardcore fanboys state the Hellraiser movies were not about Pinhead. Well guess what? He's an iconic Horror Icon. One of the best out there. And the way he went down so easily to Dr. Chanard - just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 15, 2018 14:34:06 GMT
I'm in awe of how some regard II the best in the franchise and hold it over I. To each their own - we all have different tastes - but I think it was highly overrated and to me - gore does not equal a good movie. Plus the acting was abysmal (the mute chick who looked like Brad Pitt). Also - I get hated on for this viewpoint - I know hardcore fanboys state the Hellraiser movies were not about Pinhead. Well guess what? He's an iconic Horror Icon. One of the best out there. And the way he went down so easily to Dr. Chanard - just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. I appreciated the ambition of part 2, but the ideas were stretched way beyond what they could achieve on a modest budget, and you're left with a lot of shoddy looking sets and effects, and as you said, gore in the place of actual ideas. And yes.. Terrible acting. I think what people might mean when they say the movies aren't really about Pinhead is that he doesn't have to show up for a whole lot of screen time, and that the movies were really all about the concept of opening that gateway to hell and what that can do to a person, and what's on the other side. That's true, but I agree. Pinhead should be essentially untouchable then. If he goes down that easy then he's not very intimidating. .........Anyway... I just read a review on Collider of the new one, which says more or less what I'd expect, but also is a little hopeful. Essentially they said it's better than the last one, and it makes a genuine effort, but it's basic storyline for the human characters is pretty generic and rips off better serial killer and horror movies, but that the cenobite scenes are at least somewhat inventive and attempt to expand on the mythology and whatnot, and that the director being a longtime practical effects guy pays off in the quality of the makeup... also that the new Pinhead guy is perfectly fine. They gave it a C. That's kind of the best we could have hoped for, I think. |
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