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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 12, 2018 23:01:53 GMT
I haven't seen the movie, but I see that it is currently standing at 21% on RT with the critics, and 46% with the audience. Many critics have pointed out that it's biggest weakness was a bad script. I think the problem with Clint Eastwood, never having been a writer, is that he's only as good as the script he is working with. Some directors can take a so-so script and finesse it into something better and end up making a good film. I get the feeling that, with Clint, if you hand him a good script he's gonna make a good movie, and if you hand him a bad script he's gonna make a bad movie. He does't have the ability to raise a script above whatever level it was at when he received it.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 12, 2018 23:32:59 GMT
I just chalked it up to him getting high off his patriotism boner, not that it's a bad thing. But without a decent script as the major complaint appears to be, it's just mawkish.
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Post by eplay on Feb 12, 2018 23:33:58 GMT
That's an interesting thought.
I did see the movie, and I feel sorry for him as I don't think it's deserving of the hate. I've seen the word "boring" mentioned many times on imdb -- I personally was never bored at all. I wanted to see their personalities and friendship as youths, as well as the minutiae of the lazy vacation days leading up to the incident.
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Post by BlunteD on Feb 12, 2018 23:44:57 GMT
The flick was absolute rubbish.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 13, 2018 2:01:32 GMT
I haven't seen the movie, but I see that it is currently standing at 21% on RT with the critics, and 46% with the audience. Many critics have pointed out that it's biggest weakness was a bad script. I think the problem with Clint Eastwood, never having been a writer, is that he's only as good as the script he is working with. Some directors can take a so-so script and finesse it into something better and end up making a good film. I get the feeling that, with Clint, if you hand him a good script he's gonna make a good movie, and if you hand him a bad script he's gonna make a bad movie. He does't have the ability to raise a script above whatever level it was at when he received it. His half assed editing an uneven narrative feel like far bigger issues. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 13, 2018 3:23:20 GMT
I'm not paying money to watch a real terrorist attack.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 13, 2018 3:34:08 GMT
There's that..... but also because he doesn't really work with his actors, I mean the guy is known for one takes.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Feb 13, 2018 4:19:42 GMT
There's that..... but also because he doesn't really work with his actors, I mean the guy is known for one takes. Yet Unforgiven, Million Dollar Baby, and Mystic River won Oscars for their acting. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 13, 2018 7:00:37 GMT
I hated Million Dollar Baby.
I thought the boxer character was totally unrealistic and her family pathetic caricatures.
All the fuss was about the negative turn in the story-and that's legitimate--but as I have said so many times-that's because the movie had to have a white man failure element.
Morgan Freeman has the best job in Hollywood-he always plays the wise man, super smart moral guy, savior of the beta whites.. haha
On actors-maybe he operates like John Huston and just lets the actors do their thing?
I read on Moulin Rouge Huston sat across the street in the cafe scene reading a newspaper while the it was shot.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Feb 13, 2018 8:19:06 GMT
I haven't seen it but casting the real life people to play themselves was rather odd.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 13, 2018 8:33:07 GMT
fartyfartsalotMy guess is it was a attempt to further amp up the movie. but to comment about the general topic... while I have not seen the movie, it does not look all that interesting as it's probably something like Eastwood's 'American Sniper' in that the real life story is more interesting than the movie. but then again with a movie like this there is probably only so much one can do given the general subject matter as it's probably hard to make it interesting for a movie. p.s. I realize that American Sniper did well in the theaters, but I thought it was a average movie. like decent enough for a viewing but ultimately forgettable.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 13, 2018 18:26:18 GMT
There's that..... but also because he doesn't really work with his actors, I mean the guy is known for one takes. Yet Unforgiven, Million Dollar Baby, and Mystic River won Oscars for their acting. Some actors need direction, you can take the prequels as an example, Ewan didn't need much.... Hayden did. |
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Post by The Social Introvert on Feb 14, 2018 8:41:00 GMT
Eh, he just makes slow, boring propaganda pieces for flag-waving "Murica!" hillbillies
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 14, 2018 10:05:29 GMT
There's that..... but also because he doesn't really work with his actors, I mean the guy is known for one takes. Yet Unforgiven, Million Dollar Baby, and Mystic River won Oscars for their acting. Gene Hackman, Hilary Swank and Morgan Freeman, Sean Penn and Tim Robbins- all actors who i think had at least one prior nomination before winning under Eastwood's direction. I won't hold my breath that the real-life heroes playing themselves will be lauded for their performances. And in a few reviews I've seen, the actors playing the younger versions of the three got the worst notices. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 14, 2018 12:59:33 GMT
It's a movie whose main characters aren't actors and who led uninteresting lives leading up to their one moment of heroism. How compelling do you expect it to be? Eastwood is the only director who would've bothered to make this movie. Whether that's an insult or a compliment is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 14, 2018 13:12:28 GMT
I haven't seen the movie, but I see that it is currently standing at 21% on RT with the critics, and 46% with the audience. Many critics have pointed out that it's biggest weakness was a bad script. I think the problem with Clint Eastwood, never having been a writer, is that he's only as good as the script he is working with. Some directors can take a so-so script and finesse it into something better and end up making a good film. I get the feeling that, with Clint, if you hand him a good script he's gonna make a good movie, and if you hand him a bad script he's gonna make a bad movie. He does't have the ability to raise a script above whatever level it was at when he received it. You can say that is a problem with most directors. You have to have a good script as even the best directors cannot polish a turd unless they have writing ability themselves. Spielberg, Scott, and a bunch of others run into the same problem. I would argue Eastwood has a better track record than most. I can imagine that many a script looks great until filming and editing happen and it becomes a different movie. |
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Feb 14, 2018 14:49:43 GMT
"Cool" Clint directed UNFORGIVEN and LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA.
"Uncool" Clint -- the guy who embarrassingly babbled to an empty chair at the 2012 Republican National Convention -- directed this latest film.
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Post by jesserebel on Feb 16, 2018 7:10:59 GMT
I’m sorry but this movie was bad. The editing, acting, everything was bad.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 16, 2018 7:33:31 GMT
I haven't seen the movie, but I see that it is currently standing at 21% on RT with the critics, and 46% with the audience. Many critics have pointed out that it's biggest weakness was a bad script. I think the problem with Clint Eastwood, never having been a writer, is that he's only as good as the script he is working with. Some directors can take a so-so script and finesse it into something better and end up making a good film. I get the feeling that, with Clint, if you hand him a good script he's gonna make a good movie, and if you hand him a bad script he's gonna make a bad movie. He does't have the ability to raise a script above whatever level it was at when he received it. You can say that is a problem with most directors. You have to have a good script as even the best directors cannot polish a turd unless they have writing ability themselves. Untrue. Hitchcock, Godard, Ford, Bresson, Fellini, Dreyer, Kurosawa, Welles, Hawks and plenty of other great directors have turned shit-scripts into masterpieces. Hitchcock even said he specifically chose Psycho to show how you could take the worst source material and make a great film. Hawks told Hemingway he could make a good film of his worst book (To Have and Have Not), and he did. Even if you just take something like Star Wars; just reading it on the page it's the stuff of 1000 B-Sci-Fi films, and that's ALL it would've been without Lucas's directorial vision. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 16, 2018 11:50:18 GMT
You can say that is a problem with most directors. You have to have a good script as even the best directors cannot polish a turd unless they have writing ability themselves. Untrue. Hitchcock, Godard, Ford, Bresson, Fellini, Dreyer, Kurosawa, Welles, Hawks and plenty of other great directors have turned shit-scripts into masterpieces. Hitchcock even said he specifically chose Psycho to show how you could take the worst source material and make a great film. Hawks told Hemingway he could make a good film of his worst book (To Have and Have Not), and he did. Even if you just take something like Star Wars; just reading it on the page it's the stuff of 1000 B-Sci-Fi films, and that's ALL it would've been without Lucas's directorial vision. That's not really what I'm arguing. For example, the script for Psycho wasn't bad at all even if the story was terrible. Granted, a director who doesn't care that much about a story can minimize a bad story or make us forget it, if the story is the movie they are going to have a more difficult time of it. I also think you are conflating the notion of a mundane or typical script with a bad one. Star Wars script was not bad at all unless one doesn't like Star Wars. The script was good enough to get us to care about the characters which is the truest sign of a successful one. Most bones of a movie are identical and especially within genres. What they do with the trope is what makes the story unique. |
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