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Post by faustus5 on Feb 15, 2018 18:01:54 GMT
if sticking with the truth/what's right on such issues makes us 'homophobic bigots' then so be it. we simply choose to stick to the truth on such matters. It has nothing to do with any kind of truth. It is all about your hateful, irrational delusions which cannot be defended by any argument based on reason and evidence. There is literally nothing more to it. It has everything to do with dissing one for the heck of it. I would bet my life that you don't support the death penalty for pagans (which contradicts scripture) and think slavery is evil even though the Bible has no problem with it. Or that you have no problem eating the foods the Bible prohibits. That's because you select the laws and restrictions you want and ignore the others. You're a bigot and just appeal to your religion to make excuses for your bigotry.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 15, 2018 19:18:14 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 18:18:20 GMT
tpfkar I have no idea just where in the Bible the various things you're talking about are located, but one thing that's important to keep in mind is that Christians see the New Testament as overriding the Old Testament. So some stuff that's not followed is because it's in the Old Testament and something in the New Testament supplants it. If it's something that's in the New Testament that's not followed, then yeah, that would just be cherry-picking for believers. Some do. Some reference it explicitly; many just pick and choose from the Old Immorality at will, with silliness like that only the "moral laws" from it are still valid. Radio Jejune
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Post by Vegas on Feb 17, 2018 14:09:38 GMT
He didn’t ask you about Christianity! He asked about “religious people” and “conservatives”. This is the narcissism of many American Christians. Not every religious person is Christian, nor do even all Christian interpret scripture the same way. Some DO still believe in the OT and quote from it often in condemning of things like homosexuality. So do everyone a favor an don’t presume to speak on behalf of all religions people. He kinda did ask about Christianity.. His question ends with "...act like some rules in the Bible have to be absolutely followed".. and everything in his OP is asking why Christians don't follow rules in the OT. The OP was obviously very Christian themed... Smithy's answer reflected that. Try decaf.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 17, 2018 14:17:02 GMT
He didn’t ask you about Christianity! He asked about “religious people” and “conservatives”. This is the narcissism of many American Christians. Not every religious person is Christian, nor do even all Christian interpret scripture the same way. Some DO still believe in the OT and quote from it often in condemning of things like homosexuality. So do everyone a favor an don’t presume to speak on behalf of all religions people. He kinda did ask about Christianity.. His question ends with "...act like some rules in the Bible have to be absolutely followed".. and everything in his OP is asking why Christians don't follow rules in the OT. The OP was obviously very Christian themed... Smithy's answer reflected that. Try decaf. Bryce is one of the few people I would probably start recommending hard drugs for. I don't know which ones, but I'm pretty sure he needs them. I guess I better answer him too...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 17, 2018 14:21:23 GMT
More to the point, the OT is not followed because Jesus replaced/fulfilled it and there was no longer a nation to implement it. Christianity is not a legal system whereas the Mosaic Law was. The Mosaic law may very well provide reasons for the law, Christianity is more concerned with the reasons to avoid sin which everyone is free to ignore but not free to force others to ignore which is the more common flip side of the coin. He didn’t ask you about Christianity! He asked about “religious people” and “conservatives”. This is the narcissism of many American Christians. Not every religious person is Christian, nor do even all Christian interpret scripture the same way. Some DO still believe in the OT and quote from it often in condemning of things like homosexuality. So do everyone a favor an don’t presume to speak on behalf of all religions people. Let's assume all the references to Biblical things were not for Christians to respond to nor did anyone bring up an application to Bible teachings, I'm not sure why it would be expected of me to answer regarding things I'm not familiar with. I assume that someone else will have the Vishnu application to answering the question. I know you like answering stuff based on ignorance of the topic, but that's probably not the best way to actually deal with answering a question.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 17, 2018 14:27:19 GMT
Bryce is one of the few people I would probably start recommending hard drugs for. I don't know which ones, but I'm pretty sure he needs them. I guess I better answer him too... I like Bryce.. He just seems to be going through a thing right now. Altho.. I suppose one can't really be sure that this is really him.... New board n all... Of course, why would somebody pretend to be Bryce?... Unless... somebody realized that Bryce didn't make the trip.. and why not pretend to be a known Christian to give your new found atheism some weight.....or.. maybe... POD PEOPLE!!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 17, 2018 14:33:12 GMT
Bryce is one of the few people I would probably start recommending hard drugs for. I don't know which ones, but I'm pretty sure he needs them. I guess I better answer him too... I like Bryce.. He just seems to be going through a thing right now. Altho.. I suppose one can't really be sure that this is really him.... New board n all... Of course, why would somebody pretend to be Bryce?... Unless... somebody realized that Bryce didn't make the trip.. and why not pretend to be a known Christian to give your new found atheism some weight.....or.. maybe... POD PEOPLE!! He's always going through a thing when he visits the board. He's constantly looking for an argument where there is none. Me: I had tacos for dinner Bryce: They're called hard shelled meat sandwiches you stupid person!!! Me: They were softshell ta...errr... meat sandwiches. Bryce: Quit making up words you moron. Those are just sandwiches!!!! Me: [Vigorously looking up drug dealers in the phonebook]
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 17, 2018 15:17:55 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 17, 2018 16:34:38 GMT
in matters revolving around self-righteousness, i find it best to avoid those practicing it.
life is beautiful with deities out of the picture.
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Post by goz on Feb 18, 2018 5:45:47 GMT
Some rules in the Bible do have to be followed by Christians. What may be in error is the notion that the Bible cares if all people follow them. It primarily concerns itself with people who actually like God. So the notion of gay sex not being something endorsed in the bible has not ties to them being able to do it legally, and it only becomes an issue when the streams are crossed like in the massive all important gay wedding cake "issue". but then that just proves what should already be known - the law will always change religious belief or any speech for it's own purposes. That is an outrageously inaccurate ignorant and stupid statement!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 13:40:57 GMT
Some rules in the Bible do have to be followed by Christians. What may be in error is the notion that the Bible cares if all people follow them. It primarily concerns itself with people who actually like God. So the notion of gay sex not being something endorsed in the bible has not ties to them being able to do it legally, and it only becomes an issue when the streams are crossed like in the massive all important gay wedding cake "issue". but then that just proves what should already be known - the law will always change religious belief or any speech for it's own purposes. That is an outrageously inaccurate ignorant and stupid statement! You have an amazing tendency to state something as outrageous and then not say anything else. That tells me you;re faking it in the hopes that someone comes in and rescues you from your own outrage. Am I correct or are you going to say something like "That is an outrageously inaccurate ignorant and stupid statement!" again?
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Post by goz on Feb 18, 2018 20:02:51 GMT
For a start you spoke about That is an outrageously inaccurate ignorant and stupid statement! You have an amazing tendency to state something as outrageous and then not say anything else. That tells me you;re faking it in the hopes that someone comes in and rescues you from your own outrage. Am I correct or are you going to say something like "That is an outrageously inaccurate ignorant and stupid statement!" again? Well, pardon me for having a life and needing to eat and sleep at times inconvenient to you. For a start you anthropomorphise the Bible and the law as if they are actually entities with actionable abilities instead of in one case it being just a book that can be interpreted in many ways ( and is just that) and the other, the law being more than a set of rules for society to live by which are governed by social needs to prevent chaos and promote fairness. They are BOTH the work of men and their interpretation. You even say this about the streams crossing, yet fundies like you EXPECT the streams to cross yet you acknowledge that you live in a secular society without religious law. It is one of the greatest hypocrisies of people like you, that you expect exceptions to be made for you because 'religious freedom' and ' freedom of expression' and it really ticks you off when sense and egalitarianism, fairness and common decency means you can't apply your bigotry, say to homosexuals as that was your example. Thankfully, the law doesn't change because of bigots like you and your religious bigot friends, as it has no ability except by virtue of hopefully wiser and fairer ( and often more Christianlike ) members of society, the judiciary and the government. Long live separation of church and state.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 20:18:39 GMT
goz So this seems to be about you being woefully ignorant on my views and perhaps conflating them with others. I'll help a bit by explaining how stupid your reasonsing are in the nicest way possible. You're trying to write bigger than your brain. My sentences make very clear what morals and laws are. I can;t find anything in my statements that indicate I am addressing them like people. I haven't said anything other than them being rules that people follow and never addressed who wrote what. I am not required to view the Bible as multiple interpretations and especially I only see the one. Why my knowing what the Bible says would be upsetting to you is odd since it has nothing to do with you.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 20:29:08 GMT
gozI hit the post button by accident. ...To continue. It is your job to explain the incosistentcies you are admant are there. When you do that you may be interesting to talk to. Exceptions should be made for me because of religious freedom. Otherwise, what's the point of have the right to practice my religion? You went off on a holier than thou rant and I feel like there is a desperately needed ending to your point unless your point verifies what I said all along - the law will always change religious belief or any speech for its own purposes. That may be the part you're saying is anthropomorphized, bso I'll change it to the law will always change religious belief or any speech for sake of the wants of society.
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Post by goz on Feb 18, 2018 20:45:35 GMT
goz So this seems to be about you being woefully ignorant on my views and perhaps conflating them with others. I'll help a bit by explaining how stupid your reasonsing are in the nicest way possible. You're trying to write bigger than your brain. My sentences make very clear what morals and laws are. I can;t find anything in my statements that indicate I am addressing them like people. I haven't said anything other than them being rules that people follow and never addressed who wrote what. I am not required to view the Bible as multiple interpretations and especially I only see the one. Why my knowing what the Bible says would be upsetting to you is odd since it has nothing to do with you. Split post noted...thanks. I will answer each separately as it is easier and clearer. Neither the Bible nor the law actually DO, anything...it is all about interpretation.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 20:54:47 GMT
goz So this seems to be about you being woefully ignorant on my views and perhaps conflating them with others. I'll help a bit by explaining how stupid your reasonsing are in the nicest way possible. You're trying to write bigger than your brain. My sentences make very clear what morals and laws are. I can;t find anything in my statements that indicate I am addressing them like people. I haven't said anything other than them being rules that people follow and never addressed who wrote what. I am not required to view the Bible as multiple interpretations and especially I only see the one. Why my knowing what the Bible says would be upsetting to you is odd since it has nothing to do with you. Split post noted...thanks. I will answer each separately as it is easier and clearer. Neither the Bible nor the law actually DO, anything...it is all about interpretation. That is an odd interpretation and you stating it does nothing to make it a reality nor an expectation for me to honor. This is the problem with you. You are all outrage with little purpose to your outrage. You want to keep things as vague as "everything is interpretation", but then get upset when someone ascribes to an interpretations even if it has nothing to do with you. Forget the notion of my beliefs being dangerous, the notion that your feelings could be hurt by my beliefs is also a ridiculous notion. It's odd behavior.
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Post by goz on Feb 18, 2018 21:13:12 GMT
goz I hit the post button by accident. ...To continue. It is your job to explain the incosistentcies you are admant are there. When you do that you may be interesting to talk to. Exceptions should be made for me because of religious freedom. Otherwise, what's the point of have the right to practice my religion? You went off on a holier than thou rant and I feel like there is a desperately needed ending to your point unless your point verifies what I said all along - the law will always change religious belief or any speech for its own purposes. That may be the part you're saying is anthropomorphized, bso I'll change it to the law will always change religious belief or any speech for sake of the wants of society. Why should exceptions be made for you? You see this is the thing that is really the crux of the matter. You actually think that excercising your 'religious freedom' should exempt you from the law. That is incredible and dangerous in a secular country like yours and so far you have had knock backs with the marriage licences thing, the wedding cake and the teaching of Creationism in schools. How dare your lot want to enforce your views on the rest of society by having exceptions. What is intrinsically so special about you. Your precious religion? Granted it is precious to you butt you are just a citizen like everyone else and you have to obey the law. ( especially if it speaks to you anthropomorphically and YOUR interpretation is not the only possible one. Why do I care? As a citizen of the world if not your country, I very much care that unfair bigoted and religiously biased laws are not enacted and accepted in secular countries. It is bad enough that Sharia law is rife in some countries, yet at least they don't claim to be secular. Once again. The law nor the Bible don't DO anything. It is the citizens. You are just narked that the current laws prevent your bigotry on the grounds of equality for all and lack of preferential treatment for this mythical 'freedom of religion'. Essentially, you can practice your religion to your heart's content AS LONG AS it does not negatively affect others.
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Post by goz on Feb 18, 2018 21:15:14 GMT
Split post noted...thanks. I will answer each separately as it is easier and clearer. Neither the Bible nor the law actually DO, anything...it is all about interpretation. That is an odd interpretation and you stating it does nothing to make it a reality nor an expectation for me to honor. This is the problem with you. You are all outrage with little purpose to your outrage. You want to keep things as vague as "everything is interpretation", but then get upset when someone ascribes to an interpretations even if it has nothing to do with you. Forget the notion of my beliefs being dangerous, the notion that your feelings could be hurt by my beliefs is also a ridiculous notion. It's odd behavior. Hey mate! It's not me! I am not a homosexual or a woman wanting an abortion or any of the other things your religious freedom tells you is wrong and you want to change for EVERYONE! You are jst narked that I call you and your kind on it!
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