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Post by moviemouth on Feb 15, 2018 6:23:12 GMT
I watched The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover about 6 years ago and loved it, especially the unforgettable ending and the brilliant performance from Michael Gambon.
I don't know why it took me so long to watch more of his movies but yesterday I watched Drowning by Numbers and think that is a very interesting movie too. Very interesting in the way the movie uses numbers.
You would think that The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover is his most disturbing and unforgettable movie but today I watched The Baby of Macon and if anyone else has seen this movie I would love to know your thoughts. It's hard to even comprehend what I just saw but it is absolutely brilliant at least from a directing standpoint. I'm not quite sure what to make of the screenplay though but it is definitely fascinating.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 15, 2018 6:28:42 GMT
I watched The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover about 6 years ago and loved it, especially the unforgettable ending and the brilliant performance from Michael Gambon.
I don't know why it took me so long to watch more of his movies but yesterday I watched Drowning by Numbers and think that is a very interesting movie too.
You would think that The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover is his most disturbing and unforgettable movie but today I watched The Baby of Macon and if anyone else has seen this movie I would love to know your thoughts. It's hard to even comprehend what I just saw but it is absolutely brilliant at least from a directing standpoint. I'm not quite sure what to make of the screenplay though but it is definitely fascinating. |
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Feb 15, 2018 6:40:46 GMT
Very distinct and stylish director. It's been quite a while since I've seen anything but I remember enjoying his films when I did watch them. His near-experimental debut The Falls is particularly interesting. I haven't seen anything post-The Cook... so I've quite a bit of catching up to do, including The Baby of Macon.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 15, 2018 6:43:41 GMT
Very distinct and stylish director. It's been quite a while since I've seen anything but I remember enjoying his films when I did watch them. His near-experimental debut The Falls is particularly interesting. I haven't seen anything post- The Cook... so I've quite a bit of catching up to do, including The Baby of Macon. If you are a fan then The Baby of Macon is a must see. Here is a little bit I found out about the movie after watching it. When it was released in England in 1993, this film unleashed a torrent of public outrage comparable to those following the release of Kubrick’s A Clockwork Orange or Jean Luc Godard’s “Je vous salue, Marie!” The film was so poorly received at Cannes that it was excluded from the main competition. Afterward, it found no distribution in America; no one would touch it. The controversy stemmed from the film’s depiction of Christianity, another one of Greenaway’s scathing attacks on the church’s greed.
An overall disturbing film, one can understand why its artistic merits have been overshadowed by its shocking content. Nonetheless, The Baby of Mâcon marks one of Greenaway’s most successful attempts at blurring the boundary between “reality” and theater. The action of the story is supposed to be taking place within a play but the delineation between actor and audience member, and reality and fiction, is constantly blurred. It is also notable for the strength of its biblical allegory and, of course, Julia Ormond’s performance as The Daughter — one so powerful as to be a stand-out among any in Greenaway’s oeuvre.
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Post by The Social Introvert on Feb 15, 2018 8:41:32 GMT
I've not seen his films though have been wanting to wach cook, thief, wife lover for a while now
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Feb 15, 2018 11:25:27 GMT
Very distinct and stylish director. It's been quite a while since I've seen anything but I remember enjoying his films when I did watch them. His near-experimental debut The Falls is particularly interesting. I haven't seen anything post- The Cook... so I've quite a bit of catching up to do, including The Baby of Macon. If you are a fan then The Baby of Macon is a must see. Here is a little bit I found out about the movie after watching it. When it was released in England in 1993, this film unleashed a torrent of public outrage comparable to those following the release of Kubrick’s A Clockwork Orange or Jean Luc Godard’s “Je vous salue, Marie!” The film was so poorly received at Cannes that it was excluded from the main competition. Afterward, it found no distribution in America; no one would touch it. The controversy stemmed from the film’s depiction of Christianity, another one of Greenaway’s scathing attacks on the church’s greed.
An overall disturbing film, one can understand why its artistic merits have been overshadowed by its shocking content. Nonetheless, The Baby of Mâcon marks one of Greenaway’s most successful attempts at blurring the boundary between “reality” and theater. The action of the story is supposed to be taking place within a play but the delineation between actor and audience member, and reality and fiction, is constantly blurred. It is also notable for the strength of its biblical allegory and, of course, Julia Ormond’s performance as The Daughter — one so powerful as to be a stand-out among any in Greenaway’s oeuvre.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 15, 2018 12:35:49 GMT
Greenaway is the thinking (wo)man's Tarantino. He's a bona fide genius, but I'm afraid his sensibilities don't appeal to much of the public, even among cinephiles. I've had a bunch of DVDs of his films that I've been trying to sell on Amazon and eBay with no takers.
I still can't get The Baby of Macon out of my mind, although I watched it a couple of years ago. It's visually stunning. A beautiful performance on many dimensions, yet utterly horrifying. I don't think it could be released today, though, given the current trends in attitudes about addressing sexual assault and degradation of women.
Another film you should see is The Draughtsman's Contract. Each framing of every scene is as if it had been intended to be hung in a museum--not surprising when you consider that Greenaway had trained as an artist.
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Post by wmcclain on Feb 15, 2018 13:15:11 GMT
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Post by Reynard on Feb 15, 2018 16:30:03 GMT
I like Greenaway. What he does is very interesting and ambitious, though I don't always agree with why he does what he does - meaning, his crusade against traditional forms and in favor all all things "new" and "experimental" often seems to be just for the sake of itself, lacking proper "cornerstone". He's very provocative in interviews too, not only in his scripts.
The Draughtsman's Contract is probably his easiest movie to get into - though Greenaway is never easy! A Zed & Two Noughts and The Belly of an Architect are also really, really good. The Baby of Mâcon is the last one I liked. Beginning with The Pillow Book he went into increasingly maze-like experimentalism and I just sort of lost contact - couldn't get into his next film at all, and The Tulse Luper trilogy I couldn't even sit through.
Nightwatching was "the return of Greenaway of The Draughtsman's Contract", as the producer proclaimed, and I liked Eisenstein in Guanajuato quite well too. However his films lost their best edge, visually, after his regular cinematographer Sacha Vierny died, and he is now shooting in digital and on lower budgets (after alienating much of his former audience), so they no longer feel the same.
Greenaway's films always have great soundtracks mostly made of minimalist neoclassical, which is very much my kind of thing. I like his use of classical architecture, symmetric picture compositions and so forth. Greenaway is provocative and cruel, but damn if isn't he classy too!
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 15, 2018 20:19:53 GMT
I actually watched that last night too but I did not like it. It is interesting but overall it just falls flat imo. |
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 15, 2018 20:24:21 GMT
I like Greenaway. What he does is very interesting and ambitious, though I don't always agree with why he does what he does - meaning, his crusade against traditional forms and in favor all all things "new" and "experimental" often seems to be just for the sake of itself, lacking proper "cornerstone". He's very provocative in interviews too, not only in his scripts. The Draughtsman's Contract is probably his easiest movie to get into - though Greenaway is never easy! A Zed & Two Noughts A Zed & Two Noughts and The Belly of an Architect are also really, really good. The Baby of Mâcon is the last one I liked. Beginning with The Pillow Book he went into increasingly maze-like experimentalism and I just sort of lost contact - couldn't get into his next film at all, and The Tulse Luper trilogy I couldn't even sit through. Nightwatching was "the return of Greenaway of The Draughtsman's Contract", as the producer proclaimed, and I liked Eisenstein in Guanajuato quite well too. However his films lost their best edge, visually, after his regular cinematographer Sacha Vierny died, and he is now shooting in digital and on lower budgets (after alienating much of his former audience), so they no longer feel the same. Greenaway's films always have great soundtracks mostly made of minimalist neoclassical, which is very much my kind of thing. I like his use of classical architecture, symmetric picture compositions and so forth. Greenaway is provocative and cruel, but damn if isn't he classy too! Sorry to say that I couldn't get into A Zed & Two Noughts. That just seemed weird for the sake of being weird to me and didn't give me anything to really think about or care about. I didn't much like the performances in this one with the exception of Joss Ackland and most of the characters just got on my nerves.
I do like Nyman's score though.
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Post by wmcclain on Feb 15, 2018 20:40:22 GMT
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Post by wmcclain on Feb 15, 2018 20:41:20 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Feb 15, 2018 20:55:59 GMT
Yep.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Feb 15, 2018 21:35:57 GMT
The Cook, The Thief, etc. is the only one I've watched all the way through.
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Post by sostie on Feb 15, 2018 23:35:23 GMT
I was an odd kid...was really into Greenaway films when I was about 15. A Zed & Two Noughts has always remained my favourite.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 15, 2018 23:43:14 GMT
I was an odd kid...was really into Greenaway films when I was about 15. A Zed & Two Noughts has always remained my favourite. Artistically more evolved maybe. I didn't get into films like these until my 20s. |
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Post by sostie on Feb 15, 2018 23:49:15 GMT
I was an odd kid...was really into Greenaway films when I was about 15. A Zed & Two Noughts has always remained my favourite. Artistically more evolved maybe. I didn't get into films like these until my 20s. I think it was because in the UK a new TV channel arrived...Channel 4...and they always showedart house films...it was the only place you were certain to get a film almost every night so I stayed up and watched them. Saw loads of stuff I don't think I would have normally chosen to watch. Of course at that age the potential for boobs in art house films attracted me, but I ended up appreciating them for more than just that. |
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Post by eplay on Feb 16, 2018 1:38:39 GMT
"The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" is the only film I've walked out on as an adult. The first walkouts started about 15 minutes into the film. At the point I left, about 20 minutes before the end, it was a mass exodus. I chatted with the theater employee who had to clean up vomit after some showings. For me, it was a really unpleasant film. I did also see "The Pillow Book" for Ewan McGregor but wasn't a fan of that one either. So I kind of gave up on him as not being to my taste. Just another viewpoint.  |
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 16, 2018 1:43:24 GMT
"The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" is the only film I've walked out on as an adult. The first walkouts started about 15 minutes into the film. At the point I left, about 20 minutes before the end, it was a mass exodus. I chatted with the theater employee who had to clean up vomit after some showings. For me, it was a really unpleasant film. I did also see "The Pillow Book" for Ewan McGregor but wasn't a fan of that one either. So I kind of gave up on him as not being to my taste. Just another viewpoint. It is not surprising that he is a very divisive filmmaker. I think that movie is a love it or hate it type film. |
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