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Post by dazz on Oct 14, 2018 19:03:00 GMT
Killmonger wanted to die rather than be held in chains, that's not an execution you simpleton, same as how a cop killing and armed suspect in self defence is not an execution.
Killmonger wasn't armed and wasn't fighting back so the self-defense claim is invalid. And often prisoners want to die rather than live in prison. But the cops and the warden and the prison guards don't kill every prisoner who wants to die rather than live prison or help every prisoner who dies rather than live in prison die. No matter how you sugar-coat it, it was an execution of a prisoner without a trail. Now if you argue that it was T'Challa's right to execute Killmonger without a trial since T'Challa was King of Wakanda, then you would have a valid argument since Wakanda appears to be an absolute monarchy where the King has absolute power to decide who lives or dies without any trial (although the execution of a US citizen without a trial would cause other problems in foreign relations, that's probably why Wakanda stays isolated from the rest of the world - so they can execute citizens of foreign countries without a trial). But to argue self-defense or compassion or anything else is just stupid and invalid. It was clearly an execution of a prisoner without a trial. No you spunk spangled spastic the stupid thing is calling a potentially healable wound during a fair fight an execution, or calling someone a prisoner when they were in no way being held in custardy, T'Challa landed the blow in combat against a superiorly trained fighter with the exact same level weaponry, armour and enhanced abilities, even after the fight T'Challa doesn't do anymore damage he helps Killmonger to witness the sunset and then Killmonger removes the weapon or drives it deeper I forget which, but either way that is the fatal move, and Killmonger makes it he chooses not only to refuse treatment but take the action that ends his life on the spot.
Now just shut up you raving retard because dear god you are dumb, oh and read the fucking dictionary a learn what words mean you troglodyte.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 14, 2018 19:26:29 GMT
Is the prisoner is this scenario the one who tried to start a race war? Because I fully support him killing himself. That's not what I ask. The question isn't if you support a prisoner who wants to die rather than live in prison killing himself. The question is if you support a warden or prison guards helping a prisoner who wants to die rather than live in prison to die without a capital sentence handed down by a jury. Yeah why not? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 14, 2018 19:37:06 GMT
That's not what I ask. The question isn't if you support a prisoner who wants to die rather than live in prison killing himself. The question is if you support a warden or prison guards helping a prisoner who wants to die rather than live in prison to die without a capital sentence handed down by a jury. Yeah why not? So basically you think that a warden or prison guards should have the unlimited power and authority to override the sentence handed down by a judge? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 14, 2018 19:44:39 GMT
So basically you think that a warden or prison guards should have the unlimited power and authority to override the sentence handed down by a judge? I believe that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you..... ....stranger... |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 14, 2018 21:06:07 GMT
What I like about the MCU heroes is they don't adhere to the standard no-kill rules of superheroes. Makes them less cliche that way.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 1:23:39 GMT
What I like about the MCU heroes is they don't adhere to the standard no-kill rules of superheroes. Makes them less cliche that way. I don't have a problem with superheroes killing criminals who are attacking or threatening to attack innocent people. But when they kill someone who is unarmed or who isn't attacking or threatening to attack innocent people (like when Cap killed Strucker and when T'Challa killed Killmonger), that's basically murder. And worst of all is when they kill civilians or law enforcement or military personnel who are just doing their jobs, like when Hulk slaughtered many US soldiers. |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2018 3:15:30 GMT
What I like about the MCU heroes is they don't adhere to the standard no-kill rules of superheroes. Makes them less cliche that way. I don't have a problem with superheroes killing criminals who are attacking or threatening to attack innocent people. But when they kill someone who is unarmed or who isn't attacking or threatening to attack innocent people (like when Cap killed Strucker and when T'Challa killed Killmonger), that's basically murder. And worst of all is when they kill civilians or law enforcement or military personnel who are just doing their jobs, like when Hulk slaughtered many US soldiers. Like I said, that's what I like about MCU heroes. They're more realistic and grounded unlike your kiddie cliche ideas of what superheroes are supposed to act like. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 15, 2018 5:04:31 GMT
What I like about the MCU heroes is they don't adhere to the standard no-kill rules of superheroes. Makes them less cliche that way. I don't have a problem with superheroes killing criminals who are attacking or threatening to attack innocent people. But when they kill someone who is unarmed or who isn't attacking or threatening to attack innocent people (like when Cap killed Strucker and when T'Challa killed Killmonger), that's basically murder. And worst of all is when they kill civilians or law enforcement or military personnel who are just doing their jobs, like when Hulk slaughtered many US soldiers. Ultron killed Strucker, and T'Challa didn't kill Killmonger. Do you even pay attention? |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 15, 2018 5:30:29 GMT
I don't have a problem with superheroes killing criminals who are attacking or threatening to attack innocent people. But when they kill someone who is unarmed or who isn't attacking or threatening to attack innocent people (like when Cap killed Strucker and when T'Challa killed Killmonger), that's basically murder. And worst of all is when they kill civilians or law enforcement or military personnel who are just doing their jobs, like when Hulk slaughtered many US soldiers. Ultron killed Strucker, and T'Challa didn't kill Killmonger. Do you even pay attention? No, he doesn't. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 15, 2018 11:58:56 GMT
I thought that should happen too, but I will say that patients can absolutely choose to die. That is was a DNR is for. What the fuck are you talking about? DNR applies to patients in a coma. Killmonger wasn't in a coma. So T'Challa basically decided that he would execute Killmonger without any trial. No it does not. A DNR can be for a multitude of conditions. Patients can and do absolutely choose to die. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 15:35:39 GMT
What the fuck are you talking about? DNR applies to patients in a coma. Killmonger wasn't in a coma. So T'Challa basically decided that he would execute Killmonger without any trial. No it does not. A DNR can be for a multitude of conditions. Patients can and do absolutely choose to die. No, actually a DNR doesn't even apply to comas or multitude of conditions. A DNR only applies to 2 conditions:1. The patient stops breathing. or 2. The patient's heart stops beating. All a DNR does is say do not administer CPR in those 2 situations. That's all. Do-not-resuscitate orderDo not resuscitateDo not resuscitate orderNeither of those cases applied to Killmonger. Bottom line: T'Challa executed Killmonger without any trial. So once again, you got it wrong, just like you got it wrong with Shady Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 15, 2018 15:53:55 GMT
Another thing is what if that's just how wakandians do things? Like if a criminal is mortally wounded and ask to die, they grant them their wish.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 15, 2018 16:02:56 GMT
I don't have a problem with superheroes killing criminals who are attacking or threatening to attack innocent people. But when they kill someone who is unarmed or who isn't attacking or threatening to attack innocent people (like when Cap killed Strucker and when T'Challa killed Killmonger), that's basically murder. And worst of all is when they kill civilians or law enforcement or military personnel who are just doing their jobs, like when Hulk slaughtered many US soldiers. Ultron killed Strucker, and T'Challa didn't kill Killmonger. Do you even pay attention? And Strucker is apparently an innocent person according to him.  |
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
No it does not. A DNR can be for a multitude of conditions. Patients can and do absolutely choose to die. No, actually a DNR doesn't even apply to comas or multitude of conditions. A DNR only applies to 2 conditions:1. The patient stops breathing. or 2. The patient's heart stops beating. All a DNR does is say do not administer CPR in those 2 situations. That's all. Do-not-resuscitate orderDo not resuscitateDo not resuscitate orderNeither of those cases applied to Killmonger. Bottom line: T'Challa executed Killmonger without any trial. So once again, you got it wrong, just like you got it wrong with Shady Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. Except moron YOU are the one who brought up the coma, and that it is the ONLY instance a DNR factors in, where as DSD said it applied to a multitude of instances, which it does, the 2 things you listed are the only reasons you would need to resuscitate a patient because if they are breathing and heart is beating then you don't need to resuscitate them, but why their heart or breathing stopped can be for a multitude of reasons, you fucking plank.
Also T'Challa did not execute Killmonger, Execution is stated as to carry out a sentence of death on (a legally condemned person), now in Wakanda tribal leaders or blood relatives to their leaders can challenge in a potential to the death fight their leaders for the position, which is partly what their fight was, also partially a civil war, as T'Challa did not have Killmonger under arrest or incapacitated as to where he could not defend himself, and as Killmonger made his own intention to kill T'Challa clear T'Challa's landing a mortal blow to Killmonger is neither and execution or murder but self defence, Killmonger himself ensures his own death when T'Challa offers to try and heal him for Killmonger to pull out the blade or push it deeper either way causing more damage and immediately killing himself.
Stop being such a stupid cúnt for once in your life and just shut the fuck up already dipshit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 17:24:12 GMT
DSD said it applied to a multitude of instances, which it does, the 2 things you listed are the only reasons you would need to resuscitate a patient because if they are breathing and heart is beating then you don't need to resuscitate them, but why their heart or breathing stopped can be for a multitude of reasons And none of that applies to Killmonger since Killmogner's heart was still beating and Killmonger was still breathing so no CPR needed and therefore DNR doesn't apply to Killmonger, which means DSD is wrong on this, just like he was wrong on Shady Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. T'Challa did not execute Killmonger, Execution is stated as to carry out a sentence of death on (a legally condemned person) No, execution can be used to describe the killing of an unarmed person who is unable to defend himself or herself. For example, a witness testifies against a mobster, the mobster kidnaps the witness and takes him to a remote location, forces the witness to kneel down, then shoots the witness in the back of the head. The cops say the victim was killed "execution-style" and call the crime a mob "execution". T'Challa did not have Killmonger under arrest or incapacitated as to where he could not defend himself Killmonger had a spear stuck through his chest and was unarmed. That pretty much qualifies as being unable to defend himself. Killmonger made his own intention to kill T'Challa clear T'Challa's landing a mortal blow to Killmonger is neither and execution or murder but self defence That's not self-defense. Self-defense requires the person defending himself to be in imminent danger. For example, if an armed robber tries to rob a grocery store and the owner manages to pull out a gun from under the counter and shoot and kill the armed robber before the armed robber shoots him, that's self-defense and is legal. But if the owner shot the armed robber and the armed robber was injured but not killed and the owner managed to disarm the robber and the robber is just lying on the ground with a bullet wound but still alive, the owner isn't allowed to shoot the robber again and kill him. That's not self-defense. That's murder. And that's basically what T'Challa did. Now if you want to argue that T'Challa had the right to execute Killmonger without a trial since T'Challa was the King, then you would have a valid argument (although the execution of a US citizen without a trial could create problems in foreign relations). But to claim that it wasn't an execution is a stupid and invalid argument. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 17:29:20 GMT
Another thing is what if that's just how wakandians do things? So despite MCU Dictator Kevin Feige wanting everyone to think Wakanda is the most advanced nation in the world, Wakanda is just a primitive and savage nation that still clings to medieval rituals of choosing a leader by mortal combat and executing those who are too weak to win in battle. Wakandans seem to have a high degree of bloodlust that isn't normal in civilized societies. Could that possibly be caused by years of exposure to the radiation from living in an environment surrounded by vibranium? |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 15, 2018 17:32:49 GMT
DSD said it applied to a multitude of instances, which it does, the 2 things you listed are the only reasons you would need to resuscitate a patient because if they are breathing and heart is beating then you don't need to resuscitate them, but why their heart or breathing stopped can be for a multitude of reasons And none of that applies to Killmonger since Killmogner's heart was still beating and Killmonger was still breathing so no CPR needed and therefore DNR doesn't apply to Killmonger, which means DSD is wrong on this, just like he was wrong on Shady Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. T'Challa did not execute Killmonger, Execution is stated as to carry out a sentence of death on (a legally condemned person) No, execution can be used to describe the killing of an unarmed person who is unable to defend himself or herself. For example, a witness testifies against a mobster, the mobster kidnaps the witness and takes him to a remote location, forces the witness to kneel down, then shoots the witness in the back of the head. The cops say the victim was killed "execution-style" and call the crime a mob "execution". T'Challa did not have Killmonger under arrest or incapacitated as to where he could not defend himself Killmonger had a spear stuck through his chest and was unarmed. That pretty much qualifies as being unable to defend himself. Killmonger made his own intention to kill T'Challa clear T'Challa's landing a mortal blow to Killmonger is neither and execution or murder but self defence That's not self-defense. Self-defense requires the person defending himself to be in imminent danger. For example, if an armed robber tries to rob a grocery store and the owner manages to pull out a gun from under the counter and shoot and kill the armed robber before the armed robber shoots him, that's self-defense and is legal. But if the owner shot the armed robber and the armed robber was injured but not killed and the owner managed to disarm the robber and the robber is just lying on the ground with a bullet wound but still alive, the owner isn't allowed to shoot the robber again and kill him. That's not self-defense. That's murder. And that's basically what T'Challa did. Now if you want to argue that T'Challa had the right to execute Killmonger without a trial since T'Challa was the King, then you would have a valid argument (although the execution of a US citizen without a trial could create problems in foreign relations). But to claim that it wasn't an execution is a stupid and invalid argument.  |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 15, 2018 17:35:53 GMT
Another thing is what if that's just how wakandians do things? So despite MCU Dictator Kevin Feige wanting everyone to think Wakanda is the most advanced nation in the world, Wakanda is just a primitive and savage nation that still clings to medieval rituals of choosing a leader by mortal combat and executing those who are too weak to win in battle. Wakandans seem to have a high degree of bloodlust that isn't normal in civilized societies. Could that possibly be caused by years of exposure to the radiation from living in an environment surrounded by vibranium? I don't see why it's bad to let a killer die. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 15, 2018 17:46:29 GMT
So despite MCU Dictator Kevin Feige wanting everyone to think Wakanda is the most advanced nation in the world, Wakanda is just a primitive and savage nation that still clings to medieval rituals of choosing a leader by mortal combat and executing those who are too weak to win in battle. Wakandans seem to have a high degree of bloodlust that isn't normal in civilized societies. Could that possibly be caused by years of exposure to the radiation from living in an environment surrounded by vibranium? I don't see why it's bad to let a killer die. I don't oppose execution of killers, but not without a trial. Everyone has the right to their present their case in court. But maybe in Wakanda, there's no right to jury trials and it's OK for the King to execute people without any trial. That seems to be the case since it appears that Wakanda is an absolute monarchy where the King has absolute power and can execute anyone he wants to without any trial. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 15, 2018 17:49:39 GMT
I don't see why it's bad to let a killer die. I don't oppose execution of killers, but not without a trial. Everyone has the right to their present their case in court. But maybe in Wakanda, there's no right to jury trials and it's OK for the King to execute people without any trial. That seems to be the case since it appears that Wakanda is an absolute monarchy where the King has absolute power and can execute anyone he wants to without any trial. Killmonger was stabbed during their fight. The two of them basically fought to the death. T'challa offered to heal his wounds but Killmonger took his own life. |
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