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Post by summers8 on Feb 17, 2018 9:00:07 GMT
all that is true but one thing i always liked about the xmen movies is that the cgi support the character moments and is used to move the story forward. which is why the good xmen movies had great story telling. I will proudly place X2 as one of pinnacles of cgi compared to the mcu movies. sorry mcu fans but this is not about fanboy/fangirl loyalty to franchise, its about film artistry. This is another example of what you said about Nightcrawler , where a character performance goes well with cgi . add the music score and character development too. this is magic. And it looks real. very real,unlike BP were everything looked fake. Have I mentioned the music score that just uplifted the use of cgi in this scene from first class. most mcu movies cgi is all about fun, cartoonish look and cool moments, there is not even depth to them. I'm glad that you find the X-men films to be so triumphant. Unfortunately, I don't share your opinion. X-Men first class is likely tied with X2 for the best of the lot but, I find all of the X-men films to be overwrought and vacuous. The usage of mutant powers throughout the X-Men films has been overly didactic. Must Charles touch is temple using the same awkward, two-finger gesture to indicate he is actively using his powers? It's silly, and surely the gesture is not mandatory to initiate the act of using his power. I preferred Stewart's version in the first film where he slipped into a light, auto-hypnotic trance and suddenly awoke with information he could not have possessed otherwise. Telepathy, as are many other mutant power displays in the XMU, is mishandled - dabs of pixelated CGI people dotting a perspective-challenged, virtual landscape. If you want real ferocity and finesse in the use of telepathy, try Cronenberg's Scanners - now that's mental dominance. Must Magnus strain to bowel-exploding levels to show exertion? His gift is one of alignment. It is the manipulation of magnetic fields. It's not telekinesis, and yet his abilities aren't portrayed all that differently than Jean Gray's. And, by the way, you have nothing to be "sorry" for, your opinion is yours to do with as you wish, just avoid mistaking it for fact. I found it triumphant based on film artistry as proven. It is actual fact when you back it up with good film making. mcu fans don’t have to share my opinions because they created this lie in their heads to push the xmen in the mcu garbage narrative. So of course their best tactics is to attack the xmen movies that were technically superior to the mcu cartoonish cgi looking movies. Been there, done that. That does not affect the true art of film that xmen movies had because xmen movies were made by actual film makers allowed to individually explore their craft and were not following a soulless cooperate formula where film makers had no power aka your mcu movies. What you said about Xavier is not true, telepathy is used well, realistically, the videos down below proves it. Read the comics as well. The grounded realism unmatched. This is how telepathy is used in xmen movies. xavier used it with confidence, serenity and calmness. There is nothing awkward there. You made that up to defend mcu cgi garbage. in dofp, Xavier gets very emotional about his telepathy that his breaks cerebro when he tries to use it, nothing silly there. Just a man whose depression was affecting his telepathic powers. More proof here blow. This is the end of dofp, Xavier uses this telepathic powers to stop raven why seriously injured, the emotional depth brought into this scene and not found in mcu movies. the sense made many cry. Its kind of weird isn’t it? this is how you mcu fanatics tried to justify xmen and mcu are a good fit when it is not and not just because mcu cannot adapt xmen stories, mcu movies on a technical aspect are bad. It just got worse with BP, a movie that has some of the worst cgi ever for a comic film. That has to change and not to be defended by attacking other movies with a factually superior technical craft. if this was film school, your opinions would be proven factually wrong.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 17, 2018 9:23:52 GMT
I'm glad that you find the X-men films to be so triumphant. Unfortunately, I don't share your opinion. X-Men first class is likely tied with X2 for the best of the lot but, I find all of the X-men films to be overwrought and vacuous. The usage of mutant powers throughout the X-Men films has been overly didactic. Must Charles touch is temple using the same awkward, two-finger gesture to indicate he is actively using his powers? It's silly, and surely the gesture is not mandatory to initiate the act of using his power. I preferred Stewart's version in the first film where he slipped into a light, auto-hypnotic trance and suddenly awoke with information he could not have possessed otherwise. Telepathy, as are many other mutant power displays in the XMU, is mishandled - dabs of pixelated CGI people dotting a perspective-challenged, virtual landscape. If you want real ferocity and finesse in the use of telepathy, try Cronenberg's Scanners - now that's mental dominance. Must Magnus strain to bowel-exploding levels to show exertion? His gift is one of alignment. It is the manipulation of magnetic fields. It's not telekinesis, and yet his abilities aren't portrayed all that differently than Jean Gray's. And, by the way, you have nothing to be "sorry" for, your opinion is yours to do with as you wish, just avoid mistaking it for fact. I found it triumphant based on film artistry as proven. It is actual fact when you back it up with good film making. mcu fans don’t have to share my opinions because they created this lie in their heads to push the xmen in the mcu garbage narrative. So of course their best tactics is to attack the xmen movies that were technically superior to the mcu cartoonish cgi looking movies. Been there, done that. That does not affect the true art of film that xmen movies had because xmen movies were made by actual film makers allowed to individually explore their craft and were not following a soulless cooperate formula where film makers had no power aka your mcu movies. What you said about Xavier is not true, telepathy is used well, realistically, the videos down below proves it. Read the comics as well. The grounded realism unmatched. This is how telepathy is used in xmen movies. xavier used it with confidence, serenity and calmness. There is nothing awkwardness there. You made that up to defend mcu cgi garbage. in dofp, Xavier gets very emotional about his telepathy that his breaks cerebro when he tries to use it, nothing silly there. Just a man whose depression was affecting his telepathic powers. More proof here blow. This is the end of dofp, Xavier uses this telepathic powers to stop raven why seriously injured, the emotional depth brought into this scene and not found in mcu movies. the sense made many cry. Its kind of weird isn’t it? this is how you mcu fanatics tried to justify xmen and mcu are a good fit when it is not and not just because mcu cannot adapt xmen stories, mcu movies on a technical aspect are bad. It just got worse with BP, a movie that has some of the worst cgi ever for a comic film. That has to change and not to be defended by attacking other movies with a factually superior technical craft. if this was film school, your opinions would be proven factually wrong. On reflection, the fault lies with myself. You are as the universe made you and you couldn't be anything more or less. This exercise was stillborn from its inception. I am sorry that I compelled you to write so much excited and yet stilted prose. I will never read any of it outside of brief glimmers of words like "garbage" and "justify." Are YOU justified summers8? Travel your path safely, my friend for we will never meet again.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 17, 2018 9:34:32 GMT
I found it triumphant based on film artistry as proven. It is actual fact when you back it up with good film making. mcu fans don’t have to share my opinions because they created this lie in their heads to push the xmen in the mcu garbage narrative. So of course their best tactics is to attack the xmen movies that were technically superior to the mcu cartoonish cgi looking movies. Been there, done that. That does not affect the true art of film that xmen movies had because xmen movies were made by actual film makers allowed to individually explore their craft and were not following a soulless cooperate formula where film makers had no power aka your mcu movies. What you said about Xavier is not true, telepathy is used well, realistically, the videos down below proves it. Read the comics as well. The grounded realism unmatched. This is how telepathy is used in xmen movies. xavier used it with confidence, serenity and calmness. There is nothing awkwardness there. You made that up to defend mcu cgi garbage. in dofp, Xavier gets very emotional about his telepathy that his breaks cerebro when he tries to use it, nothing silly there. Just a man whose depression was affecting his telepathic powers. More proof here blow. This is the end of dofp, Xavier uses this telepathic powers to stop raven why seriously injured, the emotional depth brought into this scene and not found in mcu movies. the sense made many cry. Its kind of weird isn’t it? this is how you mcu fanatics tried to justify xmen and mcu are a good fit when it is not and not just because mcu cannot adapt xmen stories, mcu movies on a technical aspect are bad. It just got worse with BP, a movie that has some of the worst cgi ever for a comic film. That has to change and not to be defended by attacking other movies with a factually superior technical craft. if this was film school, your opinions would be proven factually wrong. On reflection, the fault lies with myself. You are as the universe made you and you couldn't be anything more or less. This exercise was stillborn from its inception. I am sorry that I compelled you to write so much excited and yet stilted prose. I will never read any of it outside of brief glimmers of words like "garbage" and "justify." Are YOU justified summers8 ? Travel your path safely, my friend for we will never meet again. When mcu fans lies are exposed and people explain how good film making works. they run away. next.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 17, 2018 12:59:14 GMT
Must Charles touch is temple using the same awkward, two-finger gesture to indicate he is actively using his powers? It's silly, and surely the gesture is not mandatory to initiate the act of using his power. I preferred Stewart's version in the first film where he slipped into a light, auto-hypnotic trance and suddenly awoke with information he could not have possessed otherwise. Telepathy, as are many other mutant power displays in the XMU, is mishandled - dabs of pixelated CGI people dotting a perspective-challenged, virtual landscape. If you want real ferocity and finesse in the use of telepathy, try Cronenberg's Scanners - now that's mental dominance. Must Magnus strain to bowel-exploding levels to show exertion? His gift is one of alignment. It is the manipulation of magnetic fields. Xavier in the earlier films uses a visual cue to focus his telepathy and as you said in Stewarts version its more subtle yet obvious. Dont really see a big problem with That, just seems like natural progression from learning a skill at a younger age to completely mastering it when youve become so experienced you dont need to use a "finger to the temple". And Magnetos strains are necessary too imo. Moving satellite dishes, submarines and bridges should require more exertion visually than coins and nails. Both their visual cues is a replacement for visual "field waves " seen in the comics and cartoons.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:33:26 GMT
No, they just aren't letting themselves be shackled by the past. But thank you for insulting all modern VFX artists. Sure they appreciate it. The Disney management is who decides what goes where. And using good movies as a guide is never a bad idea. Good thing that's what they do, and they allow good creative people like Feige to do what they want. Unfortunately, plenty of audience goers are still vehemently disgusted by "Non-Grounded" storytelling and think it's bad instead of just owning up to their bias against it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:34:42 GMT
So as far as bad CGI goes, we talking like Blade 1 with the vampire skeletons or like that weird rubbery Peter Parker in the first Spider-Man? mcu moves have bad cgi today and i think it is done on purpose to make their films more appealing to children. please watch a movie like X2 that was 15 years ago that movie had better cgi than most, if not all the mcu movies. this is a good example this film was 15 years ago and the cgi holds up better than the current mcu movies probably because this movie is a lot more grounded and as realistic as possible for people with special powers. The cgi in Black Panther could and should have been better. No, that scene from X2 was boring. You want a real fight with teleporting and going all over the place look at Dr Strange. Grounded....grounded is bad. It's from people ashamed of comics and it's FOR people shamed of comics.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:36:43 GMT
The Nightcrawler assassination attempt scene works so well because it was excellently choreographed. Particle effects, which is all that is really showcased here, are the bread and butter of CGI. If you can't get that right when you have to, well... The wire work is also commendable here but, what really sells it is Cummings' physical commitment to the performance. He became Nightcrawler (albeit a mute version of his comic book counterpart). This scene isn't the pinnacle of CGI. It's a balls-to-the-wall performance. So let's not keep trotting this old chestnut out as the height of CBM CGI - because, it's not. all that is true but one thing i always liked about the xmen movies is that the cgi support the character moments and is used to move the story forward. which is why the good xmen movies had great story telling. No, their stories are repetitive and predictable. They just have the one story they keep retelling over and over for 17 years and it's only because there are people ashamed of comics still out there that they have any kind of audience.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:37:28 GMT
On reflection, the fault lies with myself. You are as the universe made you and you couldn't be anything more or less. This exercise was stillborn from its inception. I am sorry that I compelled you to write so much excited and yet stilted prose. I will never read any of it outside of brief glimmers of words like "garbage" and "justify." Are YOU justified summers8 ? Travel your path safely, my friend for we will never meet again. When mcu fans lies are exposed and people explain how good film making works. they run away. next. Nope, I'm still here and you are the one who ran away because you just couldn't stand that. Next.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:42:41 GMT
I found it triumphant based on film artistry as proven. It is actual fact when you back it up with good film making. No, it's just your bias against actual comic-bookiness. The difference between them is that the MCU isn't ashamed of its origins. FoX-Men is. Nah, just folks ashamed of comics who want to tell their own story instead of something authentic to the source material. Thankfully they're done and gone. Grounded = Bad. Poorly. A pathetic man who refused to deal with his problems until he was led around by an outsider, instead of a stronger character who should've been able to deal with it himself. A silly fairytale ending for those too soft to accept he died in X3. That some people are still so deeply ashamed of comics, yes. The actual X-Men, not the creatively bankrupt FoX-Men. If you're ashamed of comics and all the wonder they bring. Says you. Wakanda was CGI and it was BEAUTIFUL.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 13:44:43 GMT
I’m sorry, but I find ‘X-Men: First Class’ as a pretty terrible example to use if one is going to discuss how ‘X-Men’ film series is techincally superior to MCU.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:47:07 GMT
I’m sorry, but I find ‘X-Men: First Class’ as a pretty terrible example to use it one is going to discuss how ‘X-Men’ film series is techincally superior to MCU. Summers8 has a fanatical hatred of the MCU because it restored faith in non-grounded CBMs. He hates anything non-grounded and actually comic-booky because he's ashamed of that stuff.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 13:55:26 GMT
I’m sorry, but I find ‘X-Men: First Class’ as a pretty terrible example to use it one is going to discuss how ‘X-Men’ film series is techincally superior to MCU. Summers8 has a fanatical hatred of the MCU because it restored faith in non-grounded CBMs. He hates anything non-grounded and actually comic-booky because he's ashamed of that stuff. I honestly have to wonder if those had CGI in ‘Black Panther’ is the result of Ryan Coogler spending most of the budget on Wakanda portrayal (CGI, costumes, and so on).
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 14:07:30 GMT
Summers8 has a fanatical hatred of the MCU because it restored faith in non-grounded CBMs. He hates anything non-grounded and actually comic-booky because he's ashamed of that stuff. I honestly have to wonder if those had CGI in ‘Black Panther’ is the result of Ryan Coogler spending most of the budget on Wakanda portrayal (CGI, costumes, and so on). The only thing people really complained about were the suits used by T'Challa and Killmonger at the end, and that's because they were glowing with power. Every other instance of CGI in BP was beautiful. I suppose some would've preferred if they fought naked or something, but that's rather silly.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 17, 2018 16:02:34 GMT
I’m sorry, but I find ‘X-Men: First Class’ as a pretty terrible example to use it one is going to discuss how ‘X-Men’ film series is techincally superior to MCU. it is mcu fans duty to find xmen and other stuff terrible. it is serious fans of films duty to find mcu terrible with good reason.you people are calling me a hater when i just said the truth about mcu movies. disney has all the money in the world. good cgi is not a problem for them but nooooooo. they chose to make cartoon looking cgi because their movies have to appeal to children first. you call it hate, i call it bad film making.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 16:12:56 GMT
I’m sorry, but I find ‘X-Men: First Class’ as a pretty terrible example to use it one is going to discuss how ‘X-Men’ film series is techincally superior to MCU. it is mcu fans duty to find xmen and other stuff terrible. it is serious fans of films duty to find mcu terrible with good reason.you people are calling me a hater when i just said the truth about mcu movies. disney has all the money in the world. good cgi is not a problem for them but nooooooo. they chose to make cartoon looking cgi because their movies have to appeal to children first. you call it hate, i call it bad film making. You keep calling MCU CGI cartoony, but I would rather have that over generally terrible CGI of 'X-Men: First Class'.
Also, I didn't mention any 'X-Men' films, so I'm assuming that you're projecting right now.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 16:33:54 GMT
"Non-Grounded" storytelling In other words, bad storytelling dictated by bankers
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 16:57:59 GMT
"Non-Grounded" storytelling In other words, bad storytelling dictated by bankers Basically, ‘Coco’ is a bad storytelling dictated by bankers because it’s non-grounded - if we go by your logic.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 17:12:15 GMT
Basically, ‘Coco’ is a bad storytelling dictated by bankers because it’s non-grounded - if we go by your logic. Certainly that's possible, I am sure the bankers have oversight of the content. Its how much oversight that is the big factor. At Disney the management makes far more decisions than used to be common in movie studio operations. Its an assembly line mentality.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 17, 2018 17:19:01 GMT
mcu moves have bad cgi today and i think it is done on purpose to make their films more appealing to children. please watch a movie like X2 that was 15 years ago that movie had better cgi than most, if not all the mcu movies. this is a good example this film was 15 years ago and the cgi holds up better than the current mcu movies probably because this movie is a lot more grounded and as realistic as possible for people with special powers. The cgi in Black Panther could and should have been better. No, that scene from X2 was boring. You want a real fight with teleporting and going all over the place look at Dr Strange. Grounded....grounded is bad. It's from people ashamed of comics and it's FOR people shamed of comics.Double "ashamed" = bonus points. You are in rare form in this thread.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 17:20:19 GMT
Basically, ‘Coco’ is a bad storytelling dictated by bankers because it’s non-grounded - if we go by your logic. Certainly that's possible, I am sure the bankers have oversight of the content. Its how much oversight that is the big factor. At Disney the management makes far more decisions than used to be common in movie studio operations. Its an assembly line mentality. Umm... no.
'Coco' was in development since like 2010 or something, so it's very likely that Pixar had a total control of that film, and not Disney.
And you got that Disney management thing completely backwards since Disney rarely interferes with Pixar, Lucasfilm, or Marvel.
I guess you're keep saying this because of how lighthearted a lot of their films are, but that would fail to explain 'Rogue One: A Star Wars Story' - especially its ending.
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