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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 17:36:56 GMT
And you got that Disney management thing completely backwards since Disney rarely interferes with Pixar, Lucasfilm, or Marvel.
Tell that to Andrew Stanton. The proof of the assembly line mentality is that when they fire a director they never lose their release date. They always meet it. Its due to them making all the decisions via board room. If the directors and writers were given free reign, they would have to shut down so as to re-assess the production. All the studios have the banker mentality to one degree or another, and the one that didnt--the Weinstein Company, had a different kind of "hands on" mentality. Whatever the case, Robocop was a much better made comic book film than any of the Marvel ones put together. Action scenes were carefully choreographed, not assembled by committee like Phil Tippett explained--and if anyone knows, its him. He certainly has the credentials to make that assessment.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 17:49:23 GMT
'John Carter' was directly made by Disney. Pixar had no official involvement.
This only happened with 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' - and even that was a Lucasfilm's decision.
Yeah, tell that to Marvel Phase 3 directors who were basically given a free reign to do anything they want as long as they don't contradict existing storylines...
Yeah, please tell that to Joon-ho Bong, whose film nearly got torn to pieces the said company...
You do realize that Tippett is a visual effect supervisor to 'Twilight' films, right?
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Post by sostie on Feb 17, 2018 17:53:30 GMT
And you got that Disney management thing completely backwards since Disney rarely interferes with Pixar, Lucasfilm, or Marvel.
Action scenes were carefully choreographed, not assembled by committee like Phil Tippett explained--and if anyone knows, its him. He certainly has the credentials to make that assessment. Tippett would know about Robocop...how would he know how it works on Marvel films? And has he worked on anything of that scale? Perhaps not since Starship Troopers. His last work was the Twilight Saga and doesn't seem to have done much since then. I love Tippets stop motion work, but I personally don't see how the Marvel films would benefit from his, or Muren's input, or if it would be any improvement
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 17:54:37 GMT
Action scenes were carefully choreographed, not assembled by committee like Phil Tippett explained--and if anyone knows, its him. He certainly has the credentials to make that assessment. Tippett would know about Robocop...how would he know how it works on Marvel films? And has he worked on anything of that scale? Perhaps not since Starship Troopers. His last work was the Twilight Saga and doesn't seem to have done much since then.I love Tippets stop motion work, but I personally don't see how the Marvel films would benefit from his, or Muren's input, or if it would be any improvement Which is pretty much what I've pointed out.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 18:02:58 GMT
Tippett would know about Robocop...how would he know how it works on Marvel films? And has he worked on anything of that scale? Perhaps not since Starship Troopers. His last work was the Twilight Saga and doesn't seem to have done much since then. I love Tippets stop motion work, but I personally don't see how the Marvel films would benefit from his, or Muren's input, or if it would be any improvement Right-because they dont want the type of FX people who make creative decisions. They only want people who follow orders. In fact he predicted the automation back in 1995. Rick Baker retired for the same reasons. It became totally corporate (I dont think FOX or Warners was so bad--Disney is definitely the most corporate in its creative control of everything). The Hulk-Iron man fight in Avengers 2 is not as suspenseful as the Ed-209 fight in Robocop . As a Variety review of the Last Jedi said, Disney films go for a "not so serious" tone and if the filmmakers dont take the films seriously, why should the audience?
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 18:10:04 GMT
And given how terrible 'Twilight' special effects were, I guess we're heading to a right direction.
Yeah, please tell that to 'Fant4stic' and 'Suicide Squad'...
Seriously, you've gone full-retarded at this point.
One review doesn't really say anything no matter how reliable the source is.
Also, Rian Johnson pretty much had a free reigh with 'The Last Jedi', so if you want to blame someone, he's the one to blame.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 18:39:31 GMT
it is serious fans of films duty to Realize the FoX-Films are outdated. All you've done is reaffirm your hatred for non-grounded CBMs. And done well with it. Tell me those beautiful scenes of Wakanda were cartoonish.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 18:40:04 GMT
"Non-Grounded" storytelling In other words, bad storytelling dictated by bankers No, just something unashamed. Leave it to Fox, the Asgardians would be a Cult of delusional LARPers.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 18:42:17 GMT
No, just something unashamed. Oh I agree 100% there. They have no shame.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 18:43:01 GMT
No, just something unashamed. Oh I agree 100% there. They have no shame. Which is the right attitude when dealing with the endless wonder of comic books.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 18:43:50 GMT
Which is the right attitude when dealing with the endless wonder of comic books. Nope, respect for audiences is.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
Which is the right attitude when dealing with the endless wonder of comic books. Nope, respect for audiences is. Respecting your CBM audience = not being ashamed of your work. Not trying to ruin it by "grounding" it.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 18:50:40 GMT
Not trying to ruin it by "grounding" it. They ruin it by running it into the ground.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 19:01:40 GMT
Not trying to ruin it by "grounding" it. They ruin it by running it into the ground. It's been 10 years strong, no sign of any stopping or exhaustion or anything. Better than how DC keeps imploding the genre every few years. Or how X-Men has been a zombie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 19:05:22 GMT
It's been 10 years strong, no sign of any stopping or exhaustion or anything. The critics like their movies better than audiences. That's a bad sign.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 19:07:05 GMT
It's been 10 years strong, no sign of any stopping or exhaustion or anything. The critics like their movies better than audiences. That's a bad sign. The only time this has happened is with BP, and that's due to those racist groups. Plus the MCU's success has offended X-Men fans and DC fans. They also give fake 1/10 ratings.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 19:10:20 GMT
The only time this has happened is with BP, and that's due to those racist groups. Plus the MCU's success has offended X-Men fans and DC fans. They also give fake 1/10 ratings. Oh yeah I am sure its a giant conspiracy. Poor Disney bankers.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 19:14:10 GMT
The only time this has happened is with BP, and that's due to those racist groups. Plus the MCU's success has offended X-Men fans and DC fans. They also give fake 1/10 ratings. Oh yeah I am sure its a giant conspiracy. Poor Disney bankers. They aren't hurting for money, or critical acclaim. Just the holdouts who hate anything non-grounded.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 19:21:59 GMT
They aren't hurting for money, or critical acclaim. That is what I said!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 17, 2018 19:29:51 GMT
Must Charles touch is temple using the same awkward, two-finger gesture to indicate he is actively using his powers? It's silly, and surely the gesture is not mandatory to initiate the act of using his power. I preferred Stewart's version in the first film where he slipped into a light, auto-hypnotic trance and suddenly awoke with information he could not have possessed otherwise. Telepathy, as are many other mutant power displays in the XMU, is mishandled - dabs of pixelated CGI people dotting a perspective-challenged, virtual landscape. If you want real ferocity and finesse in the use of telepathy, try Cronenberg's Scanners - now that's mental dominance. Must Magnus strain to bowel-exploding levels to show exertion? His gift is one of alignment. It is the manipulation of magnetic fields. Xavier in the earlier films uses a visual cue to focus his telepathy and as you said in Stewarts version its more subtle yet obvious. Dont really see a big problem with That, just seems like natural progression from learning a skill at a younger age to completely mastering it when youve become so experienced you dont need to use a "finger to the temple". And Magnetos strains are necessary too imo. Moving satellite dishes, submarines and bridges should require more exertion visually than coins and nails. Both their visual cues is a replacement for visual "field waves " seen in the comics and cartoons. You make some good points here but, I’d almost rather see the field waves or some deformity of the surrounding environment (done to great effect in Logan). It’s just my opinion and I don’t think it’s unreasonable. Some of the gestures actors use in the XMU to portray their usage of abilities are severely overplayed and generic. They tend to take me out of the action. Elizabeth Olsen has used her craft as an actor to bring movement and gesture to the portrayal of the Scarlet Witch using her powers. She does lapse into strained histrionics at times but, the fluidity of her movements suggests she is mentally manipulating exotic forces to reshape her environment.
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