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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 19:50:14 GMT
They aren't hurting for money, or critical acclaim. That is what I said! And majority of audiences love them too. So it's...win-win-win!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 19:55:20 GMT
And majority of audiences love them too. So it's...win-win-win! Unknown because we know they lie about things. It doesnt operate like a real business. They say China is their market-then we learn Star Wars bombed there-but its ok even though it dropped big time domestically. They get bad user reviews and claim it is a conspiracy.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 20:04:10 GMT
And majority of audiences love them too. So it's...win-win-win! Unknown because we know they lie about things. It doesnt operate like a real business. They say China is their market-then we learn Star Wars bombed there-but its ok even though it dropped big time domestically. They get bad user reviews and claim it is a conspiracy. User reviews aren't always reliable.
Just saying...
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 20:06:02 GMT
User reviews aren't always reliable.
Just saying...
Like critics reviews.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 20:30:50 GMT
User reviews aren't always reliable.
Just saying...
Like critics reviews. I would still say that critics are a lot more reliable since, if we go by user reviews, ‘Black Panther’ would be on par with ‘Twilight’, which is clearly not...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 17, 2018 20:33:15 GMT
Unknown because we know they lie about things. It doesnt operate like a real business. They say China is their market-then we learn Star Wars bombed there-but its ok even though it dropped big time domestically. They get bad user reviews and claim it is a conspiracy. User reviews aren't always reliable.
Just saying...
And why are we erecting an artificial barrier between critics and audiences anyway? Both are comprised of human beings who are equally biased and equally fallible. The only difference between the two is that critics have training and education that allows them to put a cinematic work in context and evaluate the craft of a film in a systematic and informed way. Unfortunately, neither skill is useful to or appreciated by modern audiences. Critics aren’t the all powerful insiders we once regarded them as - that’s a myth.
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Post by scabab on Feb 17, 2018 20:46:39 GMT
Some of the CGI was great, that is even if it was CGI or not but the sets and everything looked great.
Though yes some of the CGI was a bit dodgy in places. Not enough to take me out of the movie but enough for it to be pointed out.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 20:48:44 GMT
I would still say that critics are a lot more reliable since, if we go by user reviews, ‘Black Panther’ would be on par with ‘Twilight’, which is clearly not... No because critics get paid and they also have to factor in not saying things that might offend the studio. User reviews can be more honest and reliable depending on how it is worded. Usually the unreliable reviews would be less articulate. The Last Jedi being the perfect example of that disconnect. A movie has to be more relevant to audiences than critics otherwise what is it? Certainly not art. If Shakespeare wrote only for critics what good would that be. He wrote for the masses.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 21:01:28 GMT
I would still say that critics are a lot more reliable since, if we go by user reviews, ‘Black Panther’ would be on par with ‘Twilight’, which is clearly not... No because critics get paid and they also have to factor in not saying things that might offend the studio. User reviews can be more honest and reliable depending on how it is worded. Usually the unreliable reviews would be less articulate. The Last Jedi being the perfect example of that disconnect. A movie has to be more relevant to audiences than critics otherwise what is it? Certainly not art. If Shakespeare wrote only for critics what good would that be. He wrote for the masses. Yeah, please remind me how that went with likes of ‘The Lone Ranger’ or ‘Tomorrowland’...
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Post by brownstones on Feb 17, 2018 21:10:55 GMT
Dude that end fight cg was fucking terrible. It's just as equally bad as both the Wonder Woman end fight and Doomsday fight in BVS. I understand it was cooglar first time working with cgi, but he needs to get better with it. Hopefully it'll improve with Black Panther 2 (if he decides to return). I hope the same happens with Patty Jenkins and Wonder Woman 2. No offense but aren't most major action set pieces done first to work on the CGI (and some are even planned out before there's a director)? meaning they had a full year to work on the CGI, i think maybe the fact that they're juggling 2-3 films, spreading out resources, some something's gonna get hurt.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 21:11:55 GMT
Yeah, please remind me how that went with likes of ‘The Lone Ranger’ or ‘Tomorrowland’... Tomorrowland and the Lone Ranger got poor reviews but who says that Disney is motivated by making money? I certainly dont. They sabotaged John Carter as much as they could and didnt care about financial losses. Also could be a case here where social engineering and political correctness is the determining factor. In the case of the Lone Ranger and Tomorrowland, they both involve a mostly male focus. Hmm, I see the Lone Ranger was portrayed by a Russian Jewish guy--yeah that probably didnt do it any favors with audiences-not the right ethnicity for the character but whatever, Star Wars was about promoting women and the Black Panther has its race agenda. Audiences dont have the PC filter so they respond based on personal tastes, not adhering to a social engineering agenda.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 17, 2018 21:22:26 GMT
Some of the CGI was great, that is even if it was CGI or not but the sets and everything looked great. Though yes some of the CGI was a bit dodgy in places. Not enough to take me out of the movie but enough for it to be pointed out. This is closer to the truth than anything I’ve heard about Black Panther’s CGI. It certainly wasn’t perfect but it worked exceptionally well when it did work. Black Panther CGI-gate is not a thing.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 21:27:00 GMT
Some of the CGI was great, that is even if it was CGI or not but the sets and everything looked great. Though yes some of the CGI was a bit dodgy in places. Not enough to take me out of the movie but enough for it to be pointed out. This is closer to the truth than anything I’ve heard about Black Panther’s CGI. It certainly wasn’t perfect but it worked exceptionally well when it did work. Black Panther CGI-gate is not a thing. Yeah, it sounds like Ryan Coogler spent most of the film’s budget on bringing Wakanda to life.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 21:27:50 GMT
Yeah, please remind me how that went with likes of ‘The Lone Ranger’ or ‘Tomorrowland’... Tomorrowland and the Lone Ranger got poor reviews but who says that Disney is motivated by making money? I certainly dont. They sabotaged John Carter as much as they could and didnt care about financial losses. Also could be a case here where social engineering and political correctness is the determining factor. In the case of the Lone Ranger and Tomorrowland, they both involve a mostly male focus. Hmm, I see the Lone Ranger was portrayed by a Russian Jewish guy--yeah that probably didnt do it any favors with audiences-not the right ethnicity for the character but whatever, Star Wars was about promoting women and the Black Panther has its race agenda. Audiences dont have the PC filter so they respond based on personal tastes, not adhering to a social engineering agenda. 1. Main character of ‘Tomorrowland’ is a teenage girl. 2. No one gives a sh!t about Armie Hammer’s ethnicity. 3. aredo3604gif, is that you?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 21:50:38 GMT
1. Main character of ‘Tomorrowland’ is a teenage girl. 2. No one gives a sh!t about Armie Hammer’s ethnicity. 3. aredo3604gif, is that you? 3. nope 2. They would if he comes across as beta. Height doesnt determine that, biology does. 1. Tomorrowland has a lot of white man stuff in it and was also directed by a white male. In fact, like Stanton, another Pixar alumni. It is considered a George Clooney movie too which doesn't help.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 22:00:45 GMT
1. Main character of ‘Tomorrowland’ is a teenage girl. 2. No one gives a sh!t about Armie Hammer’s ethnicity. 3. aredo3604gif, is that you? 3. nope 2. They would if he comes across as beta. Height doesnt determine that, biology does. 1. Tomorrowland has a lot of white man stuff in it and was also directed by a white male. In fact, like Stanton, another Pixar alumni. It is considered a George Clooney movie too which doesn't help. 2. I’ve never even mentioned his height. What are you talking about? 1. Brad Bird also directed ‘Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol’, so your claim falls flat. Oh, and how did ‘Hail, Caesar!’ Go with critics, again?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 22:06:19 GMT
2. I’ve never even mentioned his height. What are you talking about? 1. Brad Bird also directed ‘Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol’, so your claim falls flat. Oh, and how did ‘Hail, Caesar!’ Go with critics, again? 2. Hammer is 6'5. But height doesnt mean charisma. Maybe audiences just thought he was boring (in addition to whatever reasons they were disinterested in it). 1. Hail Caesar was directed by the Coen brothers and they have special status like Woody Allen. Clooney is safe with critics when he works with them.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 22:14:31 GMT
2. I’ve never even mentioned his height. What are you talking about? 1. Brad Bird also directed ‘Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol’, so your claim falls flat. Oh, and how did ‘Hail, Caesar!’ Go with critics, again? 2. Hammer is 6'5. But height doesnt mean charisma. Maybe audiences just thought he was boring (in addition to whatever reasons they were disinterested in it). 1. Hail Caesar was directed by the Coen brothers and they have special status like Woody Allen. Clooney is safe with critics when he works with them. Yeah, tell that to ‘Irrational Man’...
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 17, 2018 22:19:16 GMT
Yeah, tell that to ‘Irrational Man’... Doesn't matter-he still gets to make movies doesn't he. Brad Bird on the other hand..
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2018 22:39:31 GMT
Yeah, tell that to ‘Irrational Man’... Doesn't matter-he still gets to make movies doesn't he. Brad Bird on the other hand.. ...is working on ‘Incredibles 2’. Oh, and most people blame Damon Lindelof for what happened with ‘Tomorrowland’...
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