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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:42:51 GMT
Okay, gadreel. I'm a lying, insulting douche. Now that we got that out of the way and the points are conceded.... ....do you believe the Gospel is 100% truth or do you believe it is flawed and unreliable? wow. I guess that is an much of an apology as I can expect. The Gospels are hand-me downs of eyewitness accounts, they cannot possibly reflect reality 100% although they may 100% accurately reflect the claims made. You want an apology? Here it comes... ...I'm sorry I didn't sniff you out sooner. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will lead many astray with your false prophecy. And worst of all, you wasted a lot of my time and you abused my willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to assume that a person's stated intentions are his true intentions. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 25, 2018 20:47:26 GMT
wow. I guess that is an much of an apology as I can expect. The Gospels are hand-me downs of eyewitness accounts, they cannot possibly reflect reality 100% although they may 100% accurately reflect the claims made. You want an apology? Here it comes... ...I'm sorry I didn't sniff you out sooner. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will lead many astray with your false prophecy. And worst of all, you wasted a lot of my time and you abused my willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to assume that a person's stated intentions are his true intentions. You could have just said: "Sorry for insulting your wife" But no, you are so dishonest that you have to attack rather than admit culpability. Interesting move from someone accusing another of dishonesty. To be fair I had figured you out long ago, and I am not really as surprised as I should be in your actions. |
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Post by goz on Feb 25, 2018 20:49:08 GMT
wow. I guess that is an much of an apology as I can expect. The Gospels are hand-me downs of eyewitness accounts, they cannot possibly reflect reality 100% although they may 100% accurately reflect the claims made. You want an apology? Here it comes... ...I'm sorry I didn't sniff you out sooner. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will lead many astray with your false prophecy. And worst of all, you wasted a lot of my time and you abused my willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to assume that a person's stated intentions are his true intentions. Holy crap! NEITHER cool nor 'Christian'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:52:44 GMT
I'm not aware of anything. You were the one who brought up his wife. I wouldn't have known he even had a wife if it weren't for that. Have I been on any threads or had any conversations with gadreel about his wife or her profession or their marital problems? Check history. I didn't intend anything as an insult and I've already stated that. Not sure why I should have to state it again. I'd apologize if I had intended to insult him. And if I'd known he was having martial problems, I wouldn't have teased him about that particular subject. I grow very tired of people who spend 75% of their time on the board insulting people and then get their panties in a twist every time someone teases back. If you're going to be the mother of the house, then act like it, Goz. Stop insulting people. And if gadreel doesn't want to be insulted, he should stop insulting others. That and he should answer my question instead of avoiding it several times now. I also grow very tired of the rampant intellectual dishonesty here. Which is why I want gadreel to answer the question I have posed several times now. Let us give each other and Gadreel, the benefit of the doubt then. I mentioned his wife because we have often talked about it and her being a minister of religion and scholar, hence I didn't expect you to know butt to take your absence of knowledge and make it an insult is the point here. IF you will stop insulting people and being arrogant, I am almost certain ( depending on the poster) that you won't receive so much in return. It is interesting in your terminology, that you 'tease and others 'insult'. Says it all really! Personally, I tend to moralise!  Whether you believe I intended to insult anyone or not is up to you. There is a difference between insulting and teasing. There is nothing insulting about saying someone's wife teaches a class in night school if that person is happily married. As far I knew, that was the case. But I won't be giving Gradreel the benefit of the doubt any longer. His is a special case of rebuke. I knew if I were patient enough, I'd get to this point with him. I knew it the first time he played Devil's Advocate for 20 questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:54:00 GMT
You want an apology? Here it comes... ...I'm sorry I didn't sniff you out sooner. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will lead many astray with your false prophecy. And worst of all, you wasted a lot of my time and you abused my willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to assume that a person's stated intentions are his true intentions. You could have just said: "Sorry for insulting your wife" But no, you are so dishonest that you have to attack rather than admit culpability. Interesting move from someone accusing another of dishonesty. To be fair I had figured you out long ago, and I am not really as surprised as I should be in your actions. The Lord rebuke you! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:56:32 GMT
You want an apology? Here it comes... ...I'm sorry I didn't sniff you out sooner. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will lead many astray with your false prophecy. And worst of all, you wasted a lot of my time and you abused my willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to assume that a person's stated intentions are his true intentions. Holy crap! NEITHER cool nor 'Christian'. Actually, it's right in Christ's wheelhouse. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 25, 2018 20:57:31 GMT
You could have just said: "Sorry for insulting your wife" But no, you are so dishonest that you have to attack rather than admit culpability. Interesting move from someone accusing another of dishonesty. To be fair I had figured you out long ago, and I am not really as surprised as I should be in your actions. The Lord rebuke you! You are the one in need of rebuke, you have proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest, an out right liar and generally a bit of a douche. Oh also your theology is awful I think you really need to go back to church and let someone who can read guide you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:58:47 GMT
You are the one in need of rebuke, you have proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest, an out right liar and generally a bit of a douche. Oh also your theology is awful I think you really need to go back to church and let someone who can read guide you. The Lord rebuke you, not I! |
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Post by goz on Feb 25, 2018 21:47:55 GMT
Let us give each other and Gadreel, the benefit of the doubt then. I mentioned his wife because we have often talked about it and her being a minister of religion and scholar, hence I didn't expect you to know butt to take your absence of knowledge and make it an insult is the point here. IF you will stop insulting people and being arrogant, I am almost certain ( depending on the poster) that you won't receive so much in return. It is interesting in your terminology, that you 'tease and others 'insult'. Says it all really! Personally, I tend to moralise! Whether you believe I intended to insult anyone or not is up to you. There is a difference between insulting and teasing. There is nothing insulting about saying someone's wife teaches a class in night school if that person is happily married. As far I knew, that was the case. But I won't be giving Gradreel the benefit of the doubt any longer. His is a special case of rebuke. I knew if I were patient enough, I'd get to this point with him. I knew it the first time he played Devil's Advocate for 20 questions. Well, I for one am disappointed that you feel this way about gadreel, because I have always found him an honest poster with albeit unusual ideas for a Christian, butt he means them sincerely and sincerely IMHO wants to discuss contentious issues in Christianity. I also se it as hard and challenging for you because of your fundamentalist '100%' thing happening, so that you become of the defensive. Can you really only discuss stuff with people who accept your all or nothing view of religion? You seem to manage with me. You accept me as an atheist and we can discuss stuff in an almost mature manner. BTW, we may not be American butt we have BOTH been around American centric Boards long enough to know that when you accuse someone of either attending or teaching at 'Night School' it is an automatic insult and put down. YOU are being disingenuous here and intellectually dishonest yourself. IMHO. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 22:01:13 GMT
Whether you believe I intended to insult anyone or not is up to you. There is a difference between insulting and teasing. There is nothing insulting about saying someone's wife teaches a class in night school if that person is happily married. As far I knew, that was the case. But I won't be giving Gradreel the benefit of the doubt any longer. His is a special case of rebuke. I knew if I were patient enough, I'd get to this point with him. I knew it the first time he played Devil's Advocate for 20 questions. Well, I for one am disappointed that you feel this way about gadreel, because I have always found him an honest poster with albeit unusual ideas for a Christian, butt he means them sincerely and sincerely IMHO wants to discuss contentious issues in Christianity. I also se it as hard and challenging for you because of your fundamentalist '100%' thing happening, so that you become of the defensive. Can you really only discuss stuff with people who accept your all or nothing view of religion? You seem to manage with me. You accept me as an atheist and we can discuss stuff in an almost mature manner. BTW, we may not be American butt we have BOTH been around American centric Boards long enough to know that when you accuse someone of either attending or teaching at 'Night School' it is an automatic insult and put down. YOU are being disingenuous here and intellectually dishonest yourself. IMHO. Goz, you claim to be an atheist. So I anticipate the nature of the challenges you have presented. I also just frankly like you, and, admittedly, that can skew a person's resolution. And while I think you immerse yourself in intellectual dishonesty, I get the sense you're doing half of it tongue-in-cheek and all of it in order to push buttons and drive discussion. Oh, and I like you, but I already said that. Gadreel on the other hand has posed as a believer and wasted countless hours with me debating interpretations of a text he doesn't even believe in. That's not someone I'm interested in future debate with. I stand by my initial feeling about him since, through careful prodding, he has proven himself fitting of my initial reservations. He knew this day was coming. I warned him several times that I was getting fed up with his mystifying (for a supposed Christian) line of questioning and every time he sensed me getting to a certain threshold, he backed off and apologized. Gadreel is not who he claims to be. |
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Post by goz on Feb 25, 2018 22:08:26 GMT
Well, I for one am disappointed that you feel this way about gadreel, because I have always found him an honest poster with albeit unusual ideas for a Christian, butt he means them sincerely and sincerely IMHO wants to discuss contentious issues in Christianity. I also se it as hard and challenging for you because of your fundamentalist '100%' thing happening, so that you become of the defensive. Can you really only discuss stuff with people who accept your all or nothing view of religion? You seem to manage with me. You accept me as an atheist and we can discuss stuff in an almost mature manner. BTW, we may not be American butt we have BOTH been around American centric Boards long enough to know that when you accuse someone of either attending or teaching at 'Night School' it is an automatic insult and put down. YOU are being disingenuous here and intellectually dishonest yourself. IMHO. Goz, you claim to be an atheist. So I anticipate the nature of the challenges you have presented. I also just frankly like you, and, admittedly, that can skew a person's resolution. And while I think you immerse yourself in intellectual dishonesty, I get the sense you're doing half of it tongue-in-cheek and all of it in order to push buttons and drive discussion. Oh, and I like you, but I already said that. Gadreel on the other hand has posed as a believer and wasted countless hours with me debating interpretations of a text he doesn't even believe in. That's not someone I'm interested in future debate with. I stand by my initial feeling about him since, through careful prodding, he has proven himself fitting of my initial reservations. He knew this day was coming. I warned him several times that I was getting fed up with his mystifying (for a supposed Christian) line of questioning and every time he sensed me getting to a certain threshold, he backed off and apologized. Gadreel is not who he claims to be. MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 25, 2018 22:21:51 GMT
Goz, you claim to be an atheist. So I anticipate the nature of the challenges you have presented. I also just frankly like you, and, admittedly, that can skew a person's resolution. And while I think you immerse yourself in intellectual dishonesty, I get the sense you're doing half of it tongue-in-cheek and all of it in order to push buttons and drive discussion. Oh, and I like you, but I already said that. Gadreel on the other hand has posed as a believer and wasted countless hours with me debating interpretations of a text he doesn't even believe in. That's not someone I'm interested in future debate with. I stand by my initial feeling about him since, through careful prodding, he has proven himself fitting of my initial reservations. He knew this day was coming. I warned him several times that I was getting fed up with his mystifying (for a supposed Christian) line of questioning and every time he sensed me getting to a certain threshold, he backed off and apologized. Gadreel is not who he claims to be. MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! He has terrible theology and can't back it up. He falls in the same bucket as the other Christians I but heads with around here, mindless mouth pieces who fail to understand the implications of their beliefs. It really saddens me that Christianity has mostly become a way of dumbing people down, I hope Christians that I know and hang out with can turn it around a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 22:25:41 GMT
Goz, you claim to be an atheist. So I anticipate the nature of the challenges you have presented. I also just frankly like you, and, admittedly, that can skew a person's resolution. And while I think you immerse yourself in intellectual dishonesty, I get the sense you're doing half of it tongue-in-cheek and all of it in order to push buttons and drive discussion. Oh, and I like you, but I already said that. Gadreel on the other hand has posed as a believer and wasted countless hours with me debating interpretations of a text he doesn't even believe in. That's not someone I'm interested in future debate with. I stand by my initial feeling about him since, through careful prodding, he has proven himself fitting of my initial reservations. He knew this day was coming. I warned him several times that I was getting fed up with his mystifying (for a supposed Christian) line of questioning and every time he sensed me getting to a certain threshold, he backed off and apologized. Gadreel is not who he claims to be. MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! But per the scriptures, belief in the scriptures is required to understand the scriptures:
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”
Which is why my question to Gadreel is a significant one. Why don't you ask some of the Christians on the board about this? Then you will know I am not speaking or acting singularly. This is all well-established scriptural understanding. Ask DennisReynolds or Cody. |
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Post by goz on Feb 25, 2018 22:25:51 GMT
MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! He has terrible theology and can't back it up. He falls in the same bucket as the other Christians I but heads with around here, mindless mouth pieces who fail to understand the implications of their beliefs. It really saddens me that Christianity has mostly become a way of dumbing people down, I hope Christians that I know and hang out with can turn it around a bit.  Have I taught you NOTHING? |
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Post by goz on Feb 25, 2018 22:34:05 GMT
MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! But per the scriptures, belief in the scriptures is required to understand the scriptures:
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”
Which is why my question to Gadreel is a significant one. Why don't you ask some of the Christians on the board about this? Then you will know I am not speaking or acting singularly. This is all well-established scriptural understanding. Ask DennisReynolds or Cody. You DO realise that is like saying " I believe in the Bible/scriptures/gospel because it says to believe in it" Right? Circular reasoning. You could also call it faith,(and probably do) butt then why would you then want to discuss it rationally and interpret anything near a truth or a way of life? Another hint! Don't quote the Bible to make a point of fact. Interpretation is fine, though obviously a matter of opinion only. Another hint! To the chagrin of some of the dipshits, this is a discussion Board and NOT necessarily a Bible Study Board although there shouldn't and isn't any restriction on the topics discussed. If you are not interested, don't participate is my motto. Gadreel is. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 25, 2018 22:34:08 GMT
MEH! 'Butt' heads if you must. You BOTH will miss out on some interesting and intellectual discussions which are rare enough on here with some of the dipshits we have wasting space! Personally I think you just don't like his intuitive and accurate points which challenge your own views. Prove me wrong. Get down off your fundamentalist high horse and prove your points without reverting to such stupid shit as. 'Do you 100% believe in the gospels?' 'No? Well fuck off'! But per the scriptures, belief in the scriptures is required to understand the scriptures:
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”
Which is why my question to Gadreel is a significant one. Why don't you ask some of the Christians on the board about this? Then you will know I am not speaking or acting singularly. This is all well-established scriptural understanding. Ask DennisReynolds or Cody. Hahashashshshshshshshshshahhahshsdhhshsfgds OH my god. He is so close and yet so far away. This is one of the great teachings around wisdom and understanding and you have just got it wrong 100%. This is talking about having a meditational understanding as opposed to book knowledge. If only you had the balls to talk to me honestly I think we could have made great progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 22:49:10 GMT
But per the scriptures, belief in the scriptures is required to understand the scriptures:
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”
Which is why my question to Gadreel is a significant one. Why don't you ask some of the Christians on the board about this? Then you will know I am not speaking or acting singularly. This is all well-established scriptural understanding. Ask DennisReynolds or Cody. You DO realise that is like saying " I believe in the Bible/scriptures/gospel because it says to believe in it" Right? Circular reasoning. You could also call it faith,(and probably do) butt then why would you then want to discuss it rationally and interpret anything near a truth or a way of life No, what I do realize is that I am following scriptural mandate and quoting scripture and I was doing this with someone who claims to know a lot about the Bible. The Bible says these things, not I. When speaking with non-Christians? Sure. When speaking with Christians, it should be mutually agreed upon that the Bible is fact. Which is where I run into issues with Gadreel, who does not accept the validity of scripture. Which is why I am no longer allowing myself to be strung along with his foolishness. Yeah, so he claims, but the truth is that he is only interested in trying to confuse Christians. His arguments almost always end up contradicting scriptures. I wonder why that is. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 25, 2018 22:49:28 GMT
As I stated, there would be the opportunity given to be aware of the teaching. Let's say that someone receives the opportunity for salvation, basically eternal life in one form or another...It doesn't matter, why would anyone assume they would be allowed to believe differently than the ones that were able to get the correct knowledge needed for salvation? Everyone is going to need a measure of education since no one has lived through the entire fulfillment of God's promises yet. That education would lead ones to decide whether living under God's direction is a better option than just dying doing what they want. It would be an easy enough life but maybe not one most people would want to do. But that is the point, it is a demonstrated fact that a huge proportion of humanity would never have been exposed to the bible. Well, there's never been more people on the earth than there is now and the overwhelming majority of them have indeed been exposed to the Christianity. The now is the most irrelevant part though. I guess I need to make sure that you even understand what it is I'm saying. If the unrighteous get a shot at salvation at all which is what you;re saying shold happen, why wouldn't they learn the correct way of worship when they get that opportunity which would include accepting Jesus and his Father? |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 25, 2018 23:17:54 GMT
But that is the point, it is a demonstrated fact that a huge proportion of humanity would never have been exposed to the bible. Well, there's never been more people on the earth than there is now and the overwhelming majority of them have indeed been exposed to the Christianity. The now is the most irrelevant part though. I guess I need to make sure that you even understand what it is I'm saying. If the unrighteous get a shot at salvation at all which is what you;re saying shold happen, why wouldn't they learn the correct way of worship when they get that opportunity which would include accepting Jesus and his Father? And the correct method of worship (I can't tell you how much I despise the inherent arrogance in that statement) could have been taught throughout history to various people as well. In fact that might have been a better way so that we could avoid all the schisms over understanding. Not even all Christians agree, so the bible has not been a great way to disseminate the information. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 25, 2018 23:36:35 GMT
gadreelHmmm, what is the best method of teaching people? The Bible is fine, it's the people that's the problem when they decide to contort its words to fit their want or reject it outright. Not the Bible's problem. Still, reading the Bible in and of itself was never the means to salvation. It always involved education and conforming to what is expected in order to gain what is hoped for as well as current enjoyment. So for the ignorant, the Bible isn't necessarily the key as much as the teaching is. Really, most of the Bible, if not all of it will not be taught after salvation anyway.
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