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Post by merh on Oct 14, 2018 4:33:13 GMT
1. Coulson. In Iron Man and Iron Man 2 this guy was an enigma. Seemingly harmless and aloof, this facade hid a great deal of experience and knowledge. Whedon’s simple task was to flesh him out a bit in Avengers and what did we get? A fanboy. That’s all Whedon knows. He can’t create what he doesn’t know and all he knows is being a fanboy and being a dad. Which takes me to exhibit #2. So you missed Coulson in Thor where he had a far larger role than IM or IM2? Which also introduced Hawkeye? Not to mention the shorts The Consultant or A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. Coulson kicked ass in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. You really missed out because Coulson in Avengers is very much that character. You should really watch the 2 shorts. Jasper Sitwell was also in Thor & the Consultant. Hawkeye was exactly who we met in Thor.
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Post by merh on Oct 14, 2018 4:35:51 GMT
No, it's never shown! That's part of why it's so well done! ... wait, IS it shown? ... Nah, after the gluttony, greed, and especially sloth! they really skimped on the rating-affecting visuals. Lust and pride could have been gruesome, but there was next to nothing to see, and envy and wrath were all twist shock. The head is only in my head. Quite well played, indeed. ... It is Saturday My head is obviously in a different place because I was wondering why the hell you were referencing Full Metal Alchemist
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 14, 2018 20:54:08 GMT
2. Hawkeye. His secret? He’s a dad. And his character hasn’t recovered. OMG no one cares about your kids.
I was annoyed by this for one reason: Ant-Man. Something that I found original and exciting about Ant-Man was that he was not only going to be the first MCU hero who was a criminal, but also the first to have been married and have a kid. They totally undercut that with Age of Ultron and Hawkeye. I was disappointed the moment I saw it in AoU.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 14, 2018 23:41:19 GMT
Whedon sucks, Favreau should have directed The Avengers but he got cucked by Feige Favreau didn't know much about the other Avengers outside of Iron Man, Whedon however did and actually wrote for Marvel comics before. Whedon also had more of a background in handling ensembles.
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Post by kleinreturns on Oct 15, 2018 5:22:34 GMT
Hawkeye's farm scene is still the best part of any comic book movie I've seen. I feel like all cbm's are enhanced slightly by its existence. Joss Whedon, you're the best. It's a shame you couldn't fully redeem Zack Snyder's train wreck, but you're only human. Also, I really hope the Russo's continue with Nat and Banner's relationship in a satisfying way. I bl;ame snyder 100% for the failure of Justice league due to the crap way he handed both MOS and BvS.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 15, 2018 16:08:37 GMT
Hawkeye's farm scene is still the best part of any comic book movie I've seen. I feel like all cbm's are enhanced slightly by its existence. Joss Whedon, you're the best. It's a shame you couldn't fully redeem Zack Snyder's train wreck, but you're only human. Also, I really hope the Russo's continue with Nat and Banner's relationship in a satisfying way. I bl;ame snyder 100% for the failure of Justice league due to the crap way he handed both MOS and BvS. Yep. It takes a specific kind of stupid to look at Whedon and Snyder's track record and think that Snyder's cut was going to be anything more than a Tommy Wiseau level disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 5:39:14 GMT
2. Hawkeye. His secret? He’s a dad. And his character hasn’t recovered. OMG no one cares about your kids.
I was annoyed by this for one reason: Ant-Man. Something that I found original and exciting about Ant-Man was that he was not only going to be the first MCU hero who was a criminal, but also the first to have been married and have a kid. They totally undercut that with Age of Ultron and Hawkeye. I was disappointed the moment I saw it in AoU.
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Have enough characters and someone is guaranteed to have something in common with another character eventually.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 16, 2018 6:22:51 GMT
I was annoyed by this for one reason: Ant-Man. Something that I found original and exciting about Ant-Man was that he was not only going to be the first MCU hero who was a criminal, but also the first to have been married and have a kid. They totally undercut that with Age of Ultron and Hawkeye. I was disappointed the moment I saw it in AoU.
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Have enough characters and someone is guaranteed to have something in common with another character eventually. Yeah I totally get that. What I mean was that Ant-Man was right up after Age of Ultron and before AoU came out nobody knew about the Hawkeye "twist". But there had been trailers for Ant-Man by then, and after two phases of the MCU, it felt unique and interesting for them to have this new hero who was also a father. He would've been the first Avenger to have a kid. It was like new ground for them to cover. But the random Hawkeye reveal just one movie before kind of took away that original aspect of the, at the time, upcoming Ant-Man film.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 6:42:59 GMT
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Have enough characters and someone is guaranteed to have something in common with another character eventually. Yeah I totally get that. What I mean was that Ant-Man was right up after Age of Ultron and before AoU came out nobody knew about the Hawkeye "twist". But there had been trailers for Ant-Man by then, and after two phases of the MCU, it felt unique and interesting for them to have this new hero who was also a father. He would've been the first Avenger to have a kid. It was like new ground for them to cover. But the random Hawkeye reveal just one movie before kind of took away that original aspect of the, at the time, upcoming Ant-Man film. That's fair enough. Personally, it didn't take away the impact of Ant-Man for me, but we all react to these things differently.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 16, 2018 7:06:40 GMT
Yeah I totally get that. What I mean was that Ant-Man was right up after Age of Ultron and before AoU came out nobody knew about the Hawkeye "twist". But there had been trailers for Ant-Man by then, and after two phases of the MCU, it felt unique and interesting for them to have this new hero who was also a father. He would've been the first Avenger to have a kid. It was like new ground for them to cover. But the random Hawkeye reveal just one movie before kind of took away that original aspect of the, at the time, upcoming Ant-Man film. That's fair enough. Personally, it didn't take away the impact of Ant-Man for me, but we all react to these things differently. Yeah I still like it too. It's quite enjoyable. You can tell it still has a bit of Edgar Wright and/or Joe Cornish leftover in it. And I did appreciate that they dug deeper into his relationship with his daughter than they did with Hawkeye in AoU. I don't even remember what his kids look like in AoU.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 7:10:56 GMT
That's fair enough. Personally, it didn't take away the impact of Ant-Man for me, but we all react to these things differently. Yeah I still like it too. It's quite enjoyable. You can tell it still has a bit of Edgar Wright and/or Joe Cornish leftover in it. And I did appreciate that they dug deeper into his relationship with his daughter than they did with Hawkeye in AoU. I don't even remember what his kids look like in AoU. Honestly, I was hoping they would use the fact Hawkeye and Ant-Man both have kids to create some common ground between the two. I suppose they can still do that in Avengers 4, but that's coming a long time after I wanted to see them become unlikely friends.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 16, 2018 7:29:53 GMT
Yeah I still like it too. It's quite enjoyable. You can tell it still has a bit of Edgar Wright and/or Joe Cornish leftover in it. And I did appreciate that they dug deeper into his relationship with his daughter than they did with Hawkeye in AoU. I don't even remember what his kids look like in AoU. Honestly, I was hoping they would use the fact Hawkeye and Ant-Man both have kids to create some common ground between the two. I suppose they can still do that in Avengers 4, but that's coming a long time after I wanted to see them become unlikely friends. Yeah they had some good moments together in Civil War but funnily enough I didn't even think about the fact they both have kids while watching that movie, and that was right after Ant-Man lol. It seems so obvious now that they should've explored that as a possible friendship.
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Post by Power Ranger on Oct 16, 2018 7:49:24 GMT
1. Coulson. In Iron Man and Iron Man 2 this guy was an enigma. Seemingly harmless and aloof, this facade hid a great deal of experience and knowledge. Whedon’s simple task was to flesh him out a bit in Avengers and what did we get? A fanboy. That’s all Whedon knows. He can’t create what he doesn’t know and all he knows is being a fanboy and being a dad. Which takes me to exhibit #2. So you missed Coulson in Thor where he had a far larger role than IM or IM2? Which also introduced Hawkeye? Not to mention the shorts The Consultant or A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. Coulson kicked ass in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. You really missed out because Coulson in Avengers is very much that character. You should really watch the 2 shorts. Jasper Sitwell was also in Thor & the Consultant. Hawkeye was exactly who we met in Thor. Was Coulson a fanboy in Thor?
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Post by hobowar on Oct 16, 2018 8:27:06 GMT
So you missed Coulson in Thor where he had a far larger role than IM or IM2? Which also introduced Hawkeye? Not to mention the shorts The Consultant or A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. Coulson kicked ass in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer. You really missed out because Coulson in Avengers is very much that character. You should really watch the 2 shorts. Jasper Sitwell was also in Thor & the Consultant. Hawkeye was exactly who we met in Thor. Was Coulson a fanboy in Thor? Yes, but there was no situation that called for him to announce that in Thor.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 16, 2018 22:34:36 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t any love for Firefly. Great series, great characters.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 16, 2018 22:45:15 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t any love for Firefly. Great series, great characters. It would have been better if they had made more seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 22:52:41 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t any love for Firefly. Great series, great characters. That would require admitting something good about Whedon's writing skills.
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