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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 16:32:02 GMT
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
We all know God doesn't actually exist, but even if he does, then he would just be A). Inept, B). Indifferent, or C). A sadistic bastard who loves watching his creation suffer. In which case, you have absolutely no reason to be getting on your knees and praying to this bastard. He wouldn't deserve your worship. Again, if he actually exists but we know he doesn't.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 10, 2017 16:40:03 GMT
Flawed reasoning.
Why do people keep using this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 16:42:54 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? Yeah much more rational to believe that an invisible sky wizard created the Earth in 7 days and a talking snake convincing two people to eat an apple is responsbile for all the shit we see today.
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Post by klandersen on Mar 10, 2017 16:50:33 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? Because nobody has come up with a rebuttal that has convinced those who ask it, or an answer that totally refutes and permanently debunks the question. It seems to go hand in hand with those wanting physical evidence as proof of the existence of things that are spiritual.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 10, 2017 17:08:33 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? Yeah much more rational to believe that an invisible sky wizard created the Earth in 7 days and a talking snake convincing two people to eat an apple is responsbile for all the shit we see today. That's the way to stay on topic in your own thread.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 10, 2017 17:10:59 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? Because nobody has come up with a rebuttal that has convinced those who ask it, or an answer that totally refutes and permanently debunks the question. It seems to go hand in hand with those wanting physical evidence as proof of the existence of things that are spiritual. That's not my job anymore than it anyone's responsibility to accept the arbitrary requirements of the initial argument.
There is no reason other than a simple, basic, blind acceptance of the conditions presented & already agreed with that the statement even makes sense.
On its own it makes no sense at all and no one that quotes it can make heads or tails of it which is why it is often just quoted.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Mar 10, 2017 18:13:14 GMT
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus We all know God doesn't actually exist, but even if he does, then he would just be A). Inept, B). Indifferent, or C). A sadistic bastard who loves watching his creation suffer. In which case, you have absolutely no reason to be getting on your knees and praying to this bastard. He wouldn't deserve your worship. Again, if he actually exists but we know he doesn't. There's also no such thing as your wife.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 19:33:06 GMT
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus We all know God doesn't actually exist, but even if he does, then he would just be A). Inept, B). Indifferent, or C). A sadistic bastard who loves watching his creation suffer. In which case, you have absolutely no reason to be getting on your knees and praying to this bastard. He wouldn't deserve your worship. Again, if he actually exists but we know he doesn't. There's also no such thing as your wife. You've confused my wife with your masculinity, Mr. White Knight.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 11, 2017 15:49:36 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? It would be interesting for you to go, point-by-point, and explain the flawed reasoning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 16:25:40 GMT
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus We all know God doesn't actually exist, but even if he does, then he would just be A). Inept, B). Indifferent, or C). A sadistic bastard who loves watching his creation suffer. In which case, you have absolutely no reason to be getting on your knees and praying to this bastard. He wouldn't deserve your worship. Again, if he actually exists but we know he doesn't. Christians normally play the 'free will' card to overcome this. Meaning God created the world and created us without flaws, but we exercised our own free will to sin. But it would be impossible for free will to exist or be exercised in the way that would be required, because we do not choose our characteristics, our parents, our genes, our biases and proclivities, and we cannot choose which thoughts to think before we think them. This is why I would say that I know for a fact that the Christian conception of God does not exist.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 11, 2017 22:18:44 GMT
Flawed reasoning. Why do people keep using this? It would be interesting for you to go, point-by-point, and explain the flawed reasoning. I already have hints any intelligence person could pick up on. It would be interesting to see people explain the soundness of it too but that never happens.😔
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 11, 2017 22:20:43 GMT
Plus Epicurus may not have said it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:28:32 GMT
reminds me of
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:30:58 GMT
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus We all know God doesn't actually exist, but even if he does, then he would just be A). Inept, B). Indifferent, or C). A sadistic bastard who loves watching his creation suffer. In which case, you have absolutely no reason to be getting on your knees and praying to this bastard. He wouldn't deserve your worship. Again, if he actually exists but we know he doesn't.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 11, 2017 23:57:59 GMT
How is God in person then? Do tell.
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Post by ChaosMonster on Mar 12, 2017 0:21:08 GMT
Speak for yourself, God loves me a lot.
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Post by general313 on Mar 12, 2017 0:59:32 GMT
... But it would be impossible for free will to exist or be exercised in the way that would be required, because we do not choose our characteristics, our parents, our genes, our biases and proclivities, and we cannot choose which thoughts to think before we think them. This is why I would say that I know for a fact that the Christian conception of God does not exist. In your view, can we choose anything at all then, or is that an illusion? Is our fate predetermined (or at least at the whim of random indeterminacy in a quantum universe)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 2:26:31 GMT
... But it would be impossible for free will to exist or be exercised in the way that would be required, because we do not choose our characteristics, our parents, our genes, our biases and proclivities, and we cannot choose which thoughts to think before we think them. This is why I would say that I know for a fact that the Christian conception of God does not exist. In your view, can we choose anything at all then, or is that an illusion? Is our fate predetermined (or at least at the whim of random indeterminacy in a quantum universe)? I don't believe that free will is possible in the sense that it is traditionally understood. I think that either our choices are completely predetermined. I recently read an article about 'unexpected' decisions possibly being linked to quantum uncertainty, but even that wouldn't really be 'free' will, it would just be random will. Because we wouldn't be in control of the indeterminacy; the indeterminacy would be in control of us. Either way, I think that there is no doubt that free choice is an illusion. It's incoherent.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 12, 2017 2:34:20 GMT
I certainly agree the God of any Abrahamic religion certainly isn't "loving", unless you define "love" in the same way Kim Jong-Un loves the people of North Korea. At most you could make a feasible argument for a rather indifferent non interventional deist God (ie Deadbeat Dad God)
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 12, 2017 3:10:14 GMT
It would be interesting for you to go, point-by-point, and explain the flawed reasoning. I already have hints any intelligence person could pick up on. It would be interesting to see people explain the soundness of it too but that never happens.😔 Soooooo....really no flawed reasoning then. Got it!
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