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Post by shannondegroot on Feb 20, 2018 21:02:52 GMT
Better whole Career?
Better Solo Career?
Better Singer?
Better early Career?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 21, 2018 5:09:55 GMT
Ozzy for all of them. I would've given DLR better performer if that was a category.
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Post by shannondegroot on Feb 21, 2018 6:24:25 GMT
Ozzy for all of them. I would've given DLR better performer if that was a category. I was going to ask that but I then figured DLR was a definite. |
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Post by Dayodead on Feb 21, 2018 9:02:39 GMT
Ozzy
Ozzy
A push....DLR is the better technical singer, but Ozzy is more interesting / unique..
Ozzy
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Post by hardball on Feb 21, 2018 10:03:06 GMT
Ozzy
Ozzy
DLR
Ozzy
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 21, 2018 20:00:43 GMT
Ozzy all across the board.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 23, 2018 1:39:04 GMT
Ozzy x 4, and I say that loving Van Halen.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 23, 2018 3:11:16 GMT
Ozzy
Ozzy
DLR
Ozzy I guess if careers start with Sabbath and VH's first album
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 23, 2018 14:04:16 GMT
Better whole Career? Better Solo Career? Better Singer? Better early Career? I have to say: Ozzy Ozzy Tie Ozzy But I do love Roth and Van Halen, too. |
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 23, 2018 14:32:55 GMT
tpfkar This is one of those times I'd like to know better what each actually contributes vs. their bands. Plant too.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 24, 2018 0:16:33 GMT
For some Devil's Advocate imagine DLR trying to sing Paranoid. I think he could pull it off. Now imagine Ozzy trying to sing Ice Cream Man. Not so much.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 24, 2018 2:04:20 GMT
For some Devil's Advocate imagine DLR trying to sing Paranoid. I think he could pull it off. Now imagine Ozzy trying to sing Ice Cream Man. Not so much. Versatility is one way to measure singing talent, but distinctiveness is another. Ozzy was/is much more distinctive and he fit the heaviness and darkness of Sabbath to a T. Could DLR sing Paranoid? Sure, if by "sing" we mean hitting the notes; but if we're meaning coming close to capturing the vibe of the original, I don't think so. DLR's "distinction" was that he was a showman who could turn anything into a party-time jam, and he could kinda mimic bluesy crooners when he wanted (ala Ice Cream Man). But I think there's far more singers out there that could do what DLR did as opposed to what Ozzy did. It's also worth noting that DLR's voice is pretty much shit now. |
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 24, 2018 2:20:26 GMT
For some Devil's Advocate imagine DLR trying to sing Paranoid. I think he could pull it off. Now imagine Ozzy trying to sing Ice Cream Man. Not so much. Versatility is one way to measure singing talent, but distinctiveness is another. Ozzy was/is much more distinctive and he fit the heaviness and darkness of Sabbath to a T. Could DLR sing Paranoid? Sure, if by "sing" we mean hitting the notes; but if we're meaning coming close to capturing the vibe of the original, I don't think so. DLR's "distinction" was that he was a showman who could turn anything into a party-time jam, and he could kinda mimic bluesy crooners when he wanted (ala Ice Cream Man). But I think there's far more singers out there that could do what DLR did as opposed to what Ozzy did. It's also worth noting that DLR's voice is pretty much shit now. I agree Ozzy is distinctive. So is that annoying friend with the nasally voice we all have. And every annoying nasally voiced friend that every single one of us has could have been successful with Sabbath. Very few could have done what DLR did with VH tho. The level he accomplished took lots of training and a hell of a lot of raw skill (I think?). All Ozzy did was show up and start singing a little off key with an absurdly talented and innovative Tony Iommi. Hell I could have done that. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 24, 2018 2:46:49 GMT
Versatility is one way to measure singing talent, but distinctiveness is another. Ozzy was/is much more distinctive and he fit the heaviness and darkness of Sabbath to a T. Could DLR sing Paranoid? Sure, if by "sing" we mean hitting the notes; but if we're meaning coming close to capturing the vibe of the original, I don't think so. DLR's "distinction" was that he was a showman who could turn anything into a party-time jam, and he could kinda mimic bluesy crooners when he wanted (ala Ice Cream Man). But I think there's far more singers out there that could do what DLR did as opposed to what Ozzy did. It's also worth noting that DLR's voice is pretty much shit now. I agree Ozzy is distinctive. So is that annoying friend with the nasally voice we all have. And every annoying nasally voiced friend that every single one of us has could have been successful with Sabbath. Very few could have done what DLR did with VH tho. The level he accomplished took lots of training and a hell of a lot of raw skill (I think?). All Ozzy did was show up and start singing a little off key with an absurdly talented and innovative Tony Iommi. Hell I could have done that. Ozzy is more than just a nasal voice since most that sing like that sound shitty. It's why you don't hear a similar style in almost any successful bands. Ozzy made it work, which was no mean feat, and isn't something anyone could've done in Sabbath. The 80s was full of bands and singers that were essentially copying what VH and Dave did (though few had Dave's attitude; that was his most distinctive trait); meanwhile, the vast majority of bands that followed Sabbath took a completely different path vocally. I doubt very seriously if DLR had any vocal training, and in terms of raw skill he probably wouldn't crack the top 100 of male pop/rock singers. TBF, I don't think either Ozzy or Dave are all that good from a pure singing talent perspective. Neither are the American Idol types with great range or traditionally good tone or skill. Both were simply good fits for the bands they were in. I just think Ozzy's more distinctive sound lent a very unique vibe to Sabbath that made them that much more special, while Dave was more of a good showman/master-of-ceremonies for the pyrotechnic circus that was VH (especially Eddie). I just think Dave's attitude would be easier to imitate than Ozzy's sound. |
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 24, 2018 3:15:09 GMT
None of the others had Tony Iommi. Ozzy showed up, bit the head off a bat to create a brand and started singing in a nasally voice. That's it.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 24, 2018 6:52:33 GMT
None of the others had Tony Iommi. Ozzy showed up, bit the head off a bat to create a brand and started singing in a nasally voice. That's it. Nonsense. Iommi was undeniably great, but what did he do of note after Ozzy left? Two good albums with Dio and then years of mostly worthless crap. Post-Sabbath Ozzy had its ups-and-downs too, but on the whole was both better and more successful. Compared with VH who also had a decent run after DLR with Hagar. Not as good as the DLR era, but better than what Sabbath managed without Ozzy. At least VH (nor Ozzy) ever released something as embarrassing as Forbidden. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 24, 2018 15:14:03 GMT
For some Devil's Advocate imagine DLR trying to sing Paranoid. I think he could pull it off. Now imagine Ozzy trying to sing Ice Cream Man. Not so much. Ozzy does just fine on Under Cover. |
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 24, 2018 15:14:39 GMT
True. He shot his load and by the mid 80's that was kind of it.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 24, 2018 15:19:32 GMT
Versatility is one way to measure singing talent, but distinctiveness is another. Ozzy was/is much more distinctive and he fit the heaviness and darkness of Sabbath to a T. Could DLR sing Paranoid? Sure, if by "sing" we mean hitting the notes; but if we're meaning coming close to capturing the vibe of the original, I don't think so. DLR's "distinction" was that he was a showman who could turn anything into a party-time jam, and he could kinda mimic bluesy crooners when he wanted (ala Ice Cream Man). But I think there's far more singers out there that could do what DLR did as opposed to what Ozzy did. It's also worth noting that DLR's voice is pretty much shit now. I agree Ozzy is distinctive. So is that annoying friend with the nasally voice we all have. And every annoying nasally voiced friend that every single one of us has could have been successful with Sabbath. Very few could have done what DLR did with VH tho. The level he accomplished took lots of training and a hell of a lot of raw skill (I think?). All Ozzy did was show up and start singing a little off key with an absurdly talented and innovative Tony Iommi. Hell I could have done that. Where you're wrong is in assuming that anyone else would have sang the stuff that Ozzy sang just like Ozzy. For one, you're probably ignoring or you're not aware of all of the fine-grained nuances of phrasing, timbre etc. that aren't really notatable. No one can really play anything just like anyone else. There's always going to be some difference. It's fine if you don't like Ozzy, but DLR couldn't have sang with Sabbath just like Ozzy any more than Ozzy could have sang with VH just like DLR. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 24, 2018 15:21:07 GMT
None of the others had Tony Iommi. Ozzy showed up, bit the head off a bat to create a brand and started singing in a nasally voice. That's it. Nonsense. Iommi was undeniably great, but what did he do of note after Ozzy left? Two good albums with Dio and then years of mostly worthless crap. Post-Sabbath Ozzy had its ups-and-downs too, but on the whole was both better and more successful. Compared with VH who also had a decent run after DLR with Hagar. Not as good as the DLR era, but better than what Sabbath managed without Ozzy. At least VH (nor Ozzy) ever released something as embarrassing as Forbidden. Wait. You were praising the friggin Pixies and you're ragging on post-Dio Sabbath, Iommi's solo album, etc.? |
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