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Post by RedDeadFallout on Feb 28, 2018 0:21:41 GMT
Any idea can be good or bad, in this case it was terribly conceived and executed.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 28, 2018 15:28:33 GMT
I would have been sort of OK with the Martha if Superman had said a sentence that anyone would actually say in that situation... Nobody would say "You're letting him kill Martha!" when the other person has no idea who Martha is. It could have been: "He's going to kill my mother!" - Batman, having lost his mother, will empathize and will also see Superman as someone who has real ties to this world. Then, later, Martha would introduce herself to him and he could say "That was my mother's name." "You're letting him kill an innocent woman!" - Not as definite that Batman will stop, maybe Lois steps in and explains like she did in the original version. Or a longer option when he sees Batman is winning: Superman drops to his knees. " You are going to do this, and apparently I can't stop you. But after it's done, make me a promise. Lex Luthor is holding a woman hostage. She is a good and innocent woman and if you don't hurry up and kill me, he will murder her. Her name is Martha, tell her I love her and I tried."ANYTHING but "YOU'RE LETTING HIM KILL MARTHA!" Wow! The third option is actually a great idea. Maybe you should write for the DCEU. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Mar 2, 2018 0:22:26 GMT
I would have been sort of OK with the Martha if Superman had said a sentence that anyone would actually say in that situation... Nobody would say "You're letting him kill Martha!" when the other person has no idea who Martha is. It could have been: "He's going to kill my mother!" - Batman, having lost his mother, will empathize and will also see Superman as someone who has real ties to this world. Then, later, Martha would introduce herself to him and he could say "That was my mother's name." "You're letting him kill an innocent woman!" - Not as definite that Batman will stop, maybe Lois steps in and explains like she did in the original version. Or a longer option when he sees Batman is winning: Superman drops to his knees. " You are going to do this, and apparently I can't stop you. But after it's done, make me a promise. Lex Luthor is holding a woman hostage. She is a good and innocent woman and if you don't hurry up and kill me, he will murder her. Her name is Martha, tell her I love her and I tried."ANYTHING but "YOU'RE LETTING HIM KILL MARTHA!" Damn, I like that third one. And it actually sounds like something Superman would say. The thing about the entire scene that annoyed me more than anything is that Lex said he was going to kill Martha in a certain amount of time if one of them didn't kill the other. Superman tried to reason with Batman but he wasn't having it, so then he started wasting time by fighting back instead of unceasingly trying to talk to him or by just sacrificing himself for her. And that whole thing I wrote could be while he is still under the influence of the Kryptonite gas with the spear ready to strike. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 2, 2018 19:22:37 GMT
I think it could have worked if they built the film and/or fight to come to that resolution. Exactly. It was goofy AF, sure, but at that point who was still even taking the movie seriously? I was just like, "oh, shit, that's right. I guess I never realized that. Hunh. Wait, why aren't they fighting anymore?" Like it was as dumb a reason to stop fighting as any of the reasons the film gives for them to start. So... it felt like it "fit." But I also didn't mind the movie anywhere near as much as most people. So. |
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Post by leesilm on Mar 6, 2018 17:21:18 GMT
I think, as a plot point, it was a good idea. The handling left a little to be desired...
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 6, 2018 17:25:29 GMT
Or a longer option when he sees Batman is winning: Superman drops to his knees. " You are going to do this, and apparently I can't stop you. But after it's done, make me a promise. Lex Luthor is holding a woman hostage. She is a good and innocent woman and if you don't hurry up and kill me, he will murder her. Her name is Martha, tell her I love her and I tried."ANYTHING but "YOU'RE LETTING HIM KILL MARTHA!" Shit we're doing this off the cuff. What's Goyer and Terrio's excuses? They're hacks? |
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