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Post by novastar6 on Feb 23, 2018 7:45:04 GMT
Just saw this movie a few days ago, loved it. It is a very disturbing movie but nowhere near as disturbing as a lot of the reactions to it. People feel sorry for a pedophile/child killer, and hate the girl who is wreaking vengeance on him. I could understand some discord as being that basic male 'oof' reaction pertaining to any mention or depiction of a groin injury, even something as drastic as home done castration, at the same time let's not forget every father in this country threatens to do the same thing to any boy who so much as touches his daughter, and there is definitely no 'oof' moment there among the men, so that can't merely be it. People find the pedophile likable, and the girl unlikable, why? Because she came prepared and has her own answer for everything? Even though it's basically spelled out she lied about everything including how old she is, if all 14 year olds were as resourceful as that, our society would be in far better shape.
And it isn't merely that people don't like Hayley, it's that so many viewers have gone out of their way to defend the pedophile saying he isn't one, he has a safe full of child pornography, he brings a 14 year old home to get her drunk, he admits to being present during the missing girl's rape and murder, but somehow none of that makes him a pedophile, it's just a misunderstanding, he's a good looking guy so he can't possibly be guilty. And yet if he were fat and ugly, my money says not a single person would defend him. The most disturbing thing about the movie is it brings out what people in our society REALLY think and where they place their values. The writers were correct, "Cute pedophile pleads guilty, awww it's not his fault." They were dead on with that line.
And on an unrelated note, dude's 32 years old and already getting a bald spot, oooooh yeaaaah, a 14 year old's REALLY gonna be interested in that, these guys really are delusional, ain't they?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 23, 2018 12:16:40 GMT
Well.. lots of things to respond to there. I think one of the most disturbing things the movie does is to make you like and defend the character. Patrick Wilson is a good and likeable screen presence, so it's easy to be charmed by him, but I think the most sympathy comes from being tied down and castrated. No matter who it is, watching that play out to anyone at all (even if it is an illusion) is excruciating. I think that is a point where a lot of viewers turn against the Ellen Page character.
I wasn't aware that there were lots of viewers who said he was innocent and defended him. I heard an interview with David Spade recently and he described it as a film about two monsters. That's more or less how I've always seen it. I think it's largely about one terrible person trumping another, and the disturbing elements mostly come from making you take either side at any time when there's really no good option.
Also, 32 is not especially young to have a bald spot, and I think you'd be surprised by how some of those monsters look if you think that would have been enough to turn off the young, impressionable kid who looked up to the guy professionally and intellectually.
Anyway, what a great first feature. It's a perfect script for a first statement as a film and he's gone on to a nice career. I never saw his twilight movie, but I'd assume it's a lot like the others and he did that one for a pay day. But I saw 30 Days of Night not too long ago, and I had always written it off, but it's actually solid and well made. And he just did that brutal episode of Black Mirror. Looking forward to his future output.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 15:00:01 GMT
own it. 7/10 beers. good flick.  |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 24, 2018 2:07:42 GMT
The writers were correct, "Cute pedophile pleads guilty, awww it's not his fault." They were dead on with that line. Apparently. My grandmother had a crush on Roman Polanski, and insisted he "seduced" that 13 year old till her dying day. Anyway, I agree with the poster that said they were both villains. It's pretty evident that Wilson is guilty by the end, but Page is still a sadistic vigilante. Great film. And that "castrating" scene, even though it shows nothing, is probably one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever sat through. I'm not kidding, my b***s actually hurt while watching it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 2:35:51 GMT
agreed.
both villains.
only thing that could have made the movie better in my eyes is after fleeing she got taken care of Devils Rejects style:
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 25, 2018 11:37:05 GMT
...I wasn't aware that there were lots of viewers who said he was innocent and defended him. I heard an interview with David Spade recently and he described it as a film about two monsters. That's more or less how I've always seen it. I think it's largely about one terrible person trumping another, and the disturbing elements mostly come from making you take either side at any time when there's really no good option... I haven't seen this film but have read about it. It sounds disturbing and I think the take on it by Spade, pretty much would sum up the theme of the film. They both appear as sociopaths. It doesn't sound like the film was supposed to be approached from a biased pov, like the op has commented on. |
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Feb 25, 2018 15:34:25 GMT
The writers were correct, "Cute pedophile pleads guilty, awww it's not his fault." They were dead on with that line. Apparently. My grandmother had a crush on Roman Polanski, and insisted he "seduced" that 13 year old till her dying day. Anyway, I agree with the poster that said they were both villains. It's pretty evident that Wilson is guilty by the end, but Page is still a sadistic vigilante. Great film. And that "castrating" scene, even though it shows nothing, is probably one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever sat through. I'm not kidding, my b***s actually hurt while watching it. Yeah that scene really made me cringe. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 25, 2018 17:07:51 GMT
...I wasn't aware that there were lots of viewers who said he was innocent and defended him. I heard an interview with David Spade recently and he described it as a film about two monsters. That's more or less how I've always seen it. I think it's largely about one terrible person trumping another, and the disturbing elements mostly come from making you take either side at any time when there's really no good option... I haven't seen this film but have read about it. It sounds disturbing and I think the take on it by Spade, pretty much would sum up the theme of the film. They both appear as sociopaths. It doesn't sound like the film was supposed to be approached from a biased pov, like the op has commented on. Ha, what a stupid typo I made. Who would give a shit what David Spade has to say about anything, much less this movie? I meant David SLADE, the director of the film. |
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