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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 11, 2017 2:09:53 GMT
Patriots fans claim that 5 championships in 16 years makes them the best dynasty, but I disagree.
1st, the 49ers won 5 championships in 14 years so that was definitely better than the Patriots.
2nd, at least 4 of the Patriots championships have asterisks because of cheating.
And 3rd, the Patriots went 9 straight years without a championship so are you really a dynasty when you've had stretch of 9 straight years without a championship? The Lakers won the NBA Championship in 2000, 2001, and 2002, and then went 6 straight years without a championship before winning 2 more championships in 2009 and 2010. But I've never heard anyone claim that 2009 and 2010 championship teams were part of the same dynasty as the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams.
The Patriots don't even have the same players on their 2014 and 2016 teams as they had on their 2001, 2003, and 2004 teams so how can it be considered a dynasty when they went 9 straight years without a championship and almost all the players from the 2001, 2003, and 2004 teams are no longer with the team.
Belichick and Brady are still with the Patriots, but Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant were still with the Lakers' 2009 and 2010 championship teams, but the 2009 and 2010 championship teams aren't considered part of the same dynasty as the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams. So why the double-standard for the Patriots? Are they really a dynasty when they went 9 straight years without a championship?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Mar 11, 2017 2:40:41 GMT
If if makes you angry, then yes they are.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 11, 2017 7:10:32 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily call them a dynasty but there is no doubt it's the best team/organization in the 21st century by far.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 11, 2017 14:46:52 GMT
Are you a pathetic asshole if you devote your life to obsessing over which comic book movies are better than others?
Yes. Yes you are.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 11, 2017 18:12:23 GMT
Patriots fans claim that 5 championships in 16 years makes them the best dynasty, but I disagree.
1st, the 49ers won 5 championships in 14 years so that was definitely better than the Patriots.
2nd, at least 4 of the Patriots championships have asterisks because of cheating.
And 3rd, the Patriots went 9 straight years without a championship so are you really a dynasty when you've had stretch of 9 straight years without a championship? The Lakers won the NBA Championship in 2000, 2001, and 2002, and then went 6 straight years without a championship before winning 2 more championships in 2009 and 2010. But I've never heard anyone claim that 2009 and 2010 championship teams were part of the same dynasty as the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams.
The Patriots don't even have the same players on their 2014 and 2016 teams as they had on their 2001, 2003, and 2004 teams so how can it be considered a dynasty when they went 9 straight years without a championship and almost all the players from the 2001, 2003, and 2004 teams are no longer with the team.
Belichick and Brady are still with the Patriots, but Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant were still with the Lakers' 2009 and 2010 championship teams, but the 2009 and 2010 championship teams aren't considered part of the same dynasty as the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams. So why the double-standard for the Patriots? Are they really a dynasty when they went 9 straight years without a championship? What's it like being obsessed with someone you hate? Is it exhausting? I bet it's exhausting.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 11, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily call them a dynasty I agree. I can't think of any other example in sports where a team that went 9 straight years without a championship was considered to be a dynasty. A "dynasty" that goes 9 straight years without a championship is as lame as Avengers: Age of Ultron having a "speedster" (Quicksilver) who isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air and toss them away. LOL!!!
You're not a real "speedster" if you're not faster than a speeding bullet, and you're not a real dynasty if you go 9 straight years without a championship.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 11, 2017 18:42:33 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily call them a dynasty I agree. I can't thin of any other example in sports where a team that went 9 straight years without a championship was considered to be a dynasty.
Oh you can't 'thin' of one can you? The Pats are special. They're so awesome that they're a unique dynasty.
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Post by penguintomreloaded on Mar 17, 2017 2:42:21 GMT
A "dynasty" that goes 9 straight years without a championship is as lame as Avengers: Age of Ultron having a "speedster" (Quicksilver) who isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air and toss them away. LOL!!!
You're not a real "speedster" if you're not faster than a speeding bullet, and you're not a real dynasty if you go 9 straight years without a championship.
It was worth coming to this site for that post alone.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 17, 2017 19:02:42 GMT
The Patriots are the best team of the 21st century. That is a fact. Whether they are a dynasty or not can be debated. Many people see it that way because of the Brady/Bellicheck constant.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 17, 2017 19:18:51 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily call them a dynasty I agree. I can't think of any other example in sports where a team that went 9 straight years without a championship was considered to be a dynasty. A "dynasty" that goes 9 straight years without a championship is as lame as Avengers: Age of Ultron having a "speedster" (Quicksilver) who isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air and toss them away. LOL!!!
You're not a real "speedster" if you're not faster than a speeding bullet, and you're not a real dynasty if you go 9 straight years without a championship.
I don't understand, isn't the point of trolling to make other people look like retards? You just constantly outdo yourself with this shit. The second you die, the entire universe will become a better place, you midget pile of shit.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 17, 2017 21:26:22 GMT
Are the pats a dynasty, yes, like the Spurs of the NBA.
Here is why...this isnt the same now, so:
Yes but look at the period they did it. Players now move teams like hotcakes, seriously, what player now stays with their team throughout their career? Yes, a few do but jesus it is rare now. Back then, it really wasnt a lot of players stayed with the same team. Sure you had your Deion Sanders, but then you had your Aikmans and Irvins. With free agency, and now any team can go from the basement to the top (Seriously look at how one team is at the bottom one year and makes the playoffs the next. Sure, some teams are duds, aka the Browns, but usually that isnt the case. Look at how Dallas/Washington/Philly/the giants rotate. One year NO is in, next year out, etc etc.) Look at how many times NE won their fn division. What theyve done is fn impressive.
Jesus, a lot of teams do shady things, sadly, NE gets caught. Regardless, no asterisks, they got those titles.
In this day in age, yes. They won 3 titles, and also after still went to two more super bowls and almost went 19-0 *Helmet catches and Mario Manninghams!* Come on it's impressive.
We are just in a different age, I have more leeway now > the 70s-90s.
This is why I consider them a dynasty. Also look out, they might be winning a 6th. You see the moves theyre doing this off season!?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2017 8:20:18 GMT
Look at how many times NE won their fn division. What theyve done is fn impressive. No, it ins't. When the other teams in your division are the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets, winning the division every year isn't impressive. In fact, if you don't win that division every year, it would be downright embarrassing. Jesus, a lot of teams do shady things That's typical hypocrisy by Patriots fans. You Patriots fans whine and complain constantly that there was no proof that Brady cheated (even though there was plenty of proof) but then you make unsubstantiated statements accusing other teams of cheating without any proof. That's hypocrisy! Not every team cheats like the Patriots do and there is absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that every team cheats like the Patriots do. no asterisks, they got those titles. They cheated to get at least 4 of those titles and didn't earn them like past champions did so they have asterisks on at least 4 of those titles. They won 3 titles, and also after still went to two more super bowls After a 9 straight years withut a championship. The Lakers win 3 titles and after won 2 more titles (which were back-to-back titles), but went 6 straight years without a championship. Nobody considers the 2009 and 2010 Lakers championship teams to be part of a dynasty with the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams. Likewise for the Patriots, 9 straight years without a championship ins't a dynasty. Calling a team that can't win a championship for straight years a "dynasty" is as dumb as Marvel Studios having a "speedster" (Quicksilver) who can't even run fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air and toss them aside. We've seen X-Men Quicksilver catch bullets in mid-air. We've seen in the Justice League trailer the Flash catch a bullet in mid-air. How is it that Avengers Quicksilver is so slow that he can't catch a speeding bullet? That's how lame the Avengers are, and that's how lame the Patriots are - 9 straight years without a championship. No dynasty goes 9 straight years without a championship. They didn't go 19*-0. They choked and went 18*-1 and that 1 was the biggest game of the season. Helmet catches and Mario Manninghams! More typical hypocrisy by Patriots fans! You Patriots fans love to claim that if it weren't for the lucky Helmet catch or Manningham's catch (which wasn't luck but a great play), then the Patriots would've won those 2 Super Bowls. But we could also say if Pete Carroll hadn't made the dumbest play call in Super Bowl history or of the refs hadn't missed an obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots that would've given the Falcons a chance to kick a game-clinching FG late in the 4th quarter, then the Patriots would've lost those 2 Super Bowls. So it goes both ways. We are just in a different age, I have more leeway now > the 70s-90s. The Lakers won 5 NBA championships in the 2000s. But Nobody considers the 2009 and 2010 Lakers championship teams to be part of a dynasty with the 2000, 2001, and 2002 championship teams because they went 6 straight years without a championship. Likewise, the Patriots aren't a dynasty because they went 9 straight years without a championship. It doesn't matter if this is a different era in sports. The definition of a dynasty hasn't changed. And there's no definition of dynasty that includes going 9 straight years without a championship. they might be winning a 6th. You see the moves theyre doing this off season!? They're not winning anymore SUper Bowls for a long time. The Cowboys will be winning the Super Bowl next year and the year after that and the year after that. And what moves for the Patriots? Letting Malcolm Butler sign with the Saints?
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 18, 2017 11:03:02 GMT
Im sorry, but it is. They arent even the worst division, hell Miami made the playoffs this year. What about the Jets and Ryan, who made the playoffs. Hell look at my division (Tex/Ind/Ten/Jack) that's a bad division. They also went 10-6 one year and didnt make the playoffs, dude making the playoffs that many times isnt easy, if it was, why arent more teams doing it? Im a Texan fan first. What the entire deflate gate? It was a nonsensical witch hunt, notice no balls have been deflated....how are they doing? They all try any short cuts they can. How many players get suspended for steroids? If you think no teams try and take an edge...well okay. Where are they, I can show you history of super bowl winners, no asterisks. So you can pretend there is, regardless, if a new fan gets into the NFL, looks into the NFL Sbowl winner, no asterisks. This isnt that USC teams. Youre comparing two different games. NBA you got so many less pieces to worry about, if you can keep your starting 5, youre good. NFL, you lose a great offensive lineman, you lose a great CB everything can change for you. This isnt the 1980s, 1970s, like it or not people consider them a dynasty. This is mostly you just dont like NE. I used to hate them too, I get it, but I respect what they accomplish. Which is why I said,"they almost went 19-0." Choked, no, Eli threw the luckiest pass Ive ever seen. If they sack Eli, that puts them back hard. If Wes Welker makes the catch, game lock down. That's what football comes to, a few plays. Seattle doesnt pass the bal, hands it to Lynch, NE probably loses. Atlanta after that huge epic catch from Julio, runs the dang ball, kickes a FG, they lose. See it works two ways. This is sometimes what it comes to, a play. USC Vs Texas game, maybe hand it off to the edge to Reggie Bush I think he can nab a yard, they win. This is what sometimes games come too, one epic play. I just said this (I honestly didnt even read this part, swear, weird, lol) Again youre comparing the NBA to the NFL, 2 different games. One player in the NBA can change the world for you. Houston before Harden, Cleveland without Lebron, Miami with Lebron, GSW without Curry. One player makes more of a difference in the NBA (Unless youre the Spurs, they could play it seems with guys off the street and win). I feel it has. At least in football. ROFLMAO, no. Cowboys have gotten worse and the Giants have gotten better (Who beat you guys twice?). You guys need to get pieces and are holding onto Romo to long. Ditch Romo, trade for Sherman, grab Revis. Your defense just isnt good enough. Before the offseason Id said NE Vs Dal...now, dont think so. NE will be there, idk who on the NFC will be, wont be Dallas as long as they dont make moves and lose players. Seriously dude? Ok, they might lose Butler, they got Gillmore. One cog out, one cog in. Theyre owning the offseason, they signed Hightower, their leader back. Brandin Cooks, a fn deep threat for Brady, a guy with legit speed. Dwayne Allen. Here: nesn.com/2017/03/patriots-mailbag-grading-new-englands-eventful-offseason-so-far/Now I ask, wtf has Dallas done besides lose talent?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2017 18:48:56 GMT
Miami made the playoffs this year After 8 straight seasons of winning less than 9 games. That's pretty bad. making the playoffs that many times isnt easy Making the playoffs is pretty easy when you have the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets i your division and basically get 6 free wins every season. why arent more teams doing it? 1st, because other teams don't get 6 free wins every season like the Patriots do. 2nd, the Cowboys had an NFL-record 20 straight winning seasons. They had a winning record every year for 2 whole decades. Now, that's impressive. What the entire deflate gate? It was a nonsensical witch hunt No, it wasn't a witchhunt. 1. Ted Wells (whom Robert Kraft praised for his independence and integrity when he was hired) conduceted an independent and unbiased investigation and found Brady guilty. 2. Professor Marlow (a Physics professor and former chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University, where Albert Einstein was a resident scholar) confirmed that the deflation in the Patriots footballs were caused by a combination of weather AND human tampering. 3. Judeg Denny Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has no affiliation with the NFL and who took an oath to review evdence objectively and without bias) stated on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling." That's 3 independent and unbiased sources who have no affiliation to the NFL and who are highly respected by their peers and colleagues (Robert Kraft even praised Ted Wells for his independence and integrity when he was hired) that have confirmed that the evidence proves that Brady cheated. So there was no witchhunt, no conspiracy, no bias against Brady. Brady cheated ad got caught cheating. cnotice no balls have been deflated....how are they doing?[/quote] That's the dumbest argument ever!
In 2016, the Jamaican men's team won the gold medal in the 4x100 meter relay race at the Rio Olympics. Recently, it was discovered that 1 of the Jamaican racers had tested positive for PEDs. So based on your dumb argument, if the Jamaican men's team wins the gold medal again in the 4x100 meter relay race at the 2020 Olympics, then that would prove that racer in 2016 didn't take PEDs. Do you realize how dumb your argument sounds?
How the Patriots are doing now is completely irrelevant to DeflateGate and in no way disproves that Brady cheated. The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals has made their ruling. Brady was guilty of cheating in DeflateGate and nothing has changed that fact.
They all try any short cuts they can. Once again, typical hypocrisy by Patriots supporters. You claim that there was no proof that Brady cheated, yet you claim that all teams "try any short cuts they can" even though you have no proof at all. Such hypocrisy! This is mostly you just dont like NE. I used to hate them too, I get it, but I respect what they accomplish. I don't like cheaters and frauds who didn't earn their championships and got them by cheating. I used to like Ben Johnson, until it turned out that he was jsut a cheater and a fraud. Same with the Patriots. Prior to 2007, I respected what they did in 2001, 2003, and 2004. But just like with Ben Johnson, we found out in 2007 that what the Patriots did i 2001, 2003, and 2004 was all achieved by cheating and fraud. I have no respect for cheaters and frauds. The Patriots are the Bernie Madoff of the NFL. You may respect frauds like Bernie Madoff and the Patriots, but I have no respect for a fraud like Bernie Madoff and I also have no respect for frauds like Shady Brady and the Patriots. Which is why I said,"they almost went 19-0." The Bills almost won Super Bowl XXV. The Cardinals almost won Super Bowl XLIII. The 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears almost went 19-0. But almost doesn't count. The Patriots didn't go 19*-0. They choked and finished 18*-1. Choked, no, Eli threw the luckiest pass Choked, yes. Eli's pass would've been meaningless if Brady had put up more than just 14 points. In fact, all Brady had to do was put up 18 points in that Super Bowl and then Eli's pass would've been nothing more than a footnote instead of being the greatest play in Super Bowl history. But Brady put up only 14 points in the biggest game of his life against a defense ranked #17 in the NFL (ranked in the bottom half of the NFL) in points allowed. That's a BIG-TIME, EPIC CHOKE! And Eli's pass wasn't the luckiest pass ever. Brady's pass that was tipped straight into the air and should've been intercepted but was caught by Bennett who was lucky to be standing right where the tipped ball came down and also Brady's pass that was tipped and should've been intercepted but was caught by Edelman in this year's Super Bowl were both more lucky passes than Eli's pass. If they sack Eli, that puts them back hard. If referee Walt Coleman didn't make the biggest blown call in NFL history and basically give the Patriots a double-elimination in the playoffs, then the Patriots don't win their first Super Bowl. If Pete Carroll gives the ball to Marshawn Lynch at the 1-yard line, the Patriots lose that Super Bowl. If the refs call the obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots that they missed late in the 4th quarter that would've given the Falcons a chance to kick the game-clinching FG, the Patriots lose that Super Bowl. It goes both ways. If Wes Welker makes the catch Welker couldn't make the catch because Brady threw the ball behind a wide-open Welker, forcing Welker to spin his body 180% from the direction he was sprinting, leap high in the air, and try to make an acrobatic catch that not even David Tyree could've made. If Brady had thrown the ball in front of a wide-open Welker so that Welker could catch the pass in stride, like Eli's pass to Manningham which was in front of Manningham so Manningham could catch the ball in stride without having to slow down or turn his body around, then Welker would've made that catch. That failed pass was Brady's fault.[/p]
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 18, 2017 19:33:13 GMT
You know why they only win less than 9, because every year they have to pencil in 2 loses, to you know who? NE. No, it isnt. A lot of divisions have crap years, look at NO/TB/Car/Atl, how many off years they had. It isnt easy, or everyone would do it. That's nonsensical. If they were that bad, theyd all be going 0-16, at least one team a year in that division, it doesnt happen. Yea, back when? Again, we are in the free agency mode, teams dont lose players like they did back then. It isnt that impressive as they would get to keep their awesome talent. FA isnt like it is now. Yea, it was a witch hunt. And? Want me to show you article after article of people who criticized Wells? THis is what matters: nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Judge-Berman-says-Deflategate-was-put-to-rest-by-Super-Bowl-51824608And: “It’s not possible for weather not to have played a role,” said Professor Michael Naughton, chair of the physics department. Professors means nothing. One professor says one thing another can say another. Wow... No, and no. First Wells has always been admitted he wasnt independent, want me to show you articles? Yea, because it's true, 2 more rings...Dallas 0. What is with you comparing two different sports. IDGAFF about the Jamicans mens team, idc dude. This is Football, not MLB, not NBA, NFL. What is with you comparing two sports that arent comparable? Screaming youre dumb etc means nothing. Stick to football, not a "4 man" race team. This is insanely goofy. And he has 5 super bowl rings and no asterisks, nothing changes that fact either. Youre being gullible if you think otherwise. Again, Im a Texan fan, your problem is youre a Dallas fan and youre mad. You guys were the "it" boys, youre not now, youve been passed up. NE is now the kings, you guys arent even the princes. And before you might say,"well we have more rings than the Texans," we are a new franchise and idc. I respect good teams. They won every superbowl legit. I think honestly, you never liked them. Most people outside of NE fn hate them. In the end, they win. Lets play devils advocate and say deflategate is legit, ok, it happened in the first half of the Indy game...remind me how the 2nd half went again? Then dont, but dont be angry theyre the best. Sure, but there are problems. Bills went with a kicker who sucked at making long field goals. Cardinals left too much time on the clock. No, NYG got pretty dang lucky. That was the luckiest play I ever seen in a super bowl. If you think it was a choke you dont know much about the NFL. Problem was, they stayed fresh. They had 3 awesome pass rusher, one got tireed, another one came in. They also only beat the NYG by 3 points in the regular season. It gave NYG confidence. Atlanta choked, NE simply couldnt stop the pass rush. Greatest play in super bowl history, that's debatable. Again, NYG just had a beast pass rush. It wasnt, they got hot at the right time. 17 ranked D means jack dick when you get hot at the right moment. No, it wasnt a choke, a choke is like what happened to GSW Vs Cavs, 3 chances to win, blow it. Atlanta and NE is a choke. Oilers letting Buffalo come back is a choke. That's a choke. Romo fumbling the ball during an extra point attempt, that's a choke. It was, most people say this. Not even close. Maybe, we dont know what happens. Actually, we dont know that. Lynch wasnt automatic at the goal line, I forgot the stats, but if youre curious, look it up. Refs miss a lot of calls. Welker even said it is a catch hed make 99 out of 100 times. He should have caught the ball. Brady should have thrown a better pass no doubt, but Welker should have caught it.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 18, 2017 19:54:32 GMT
shadyvsesham, are you not familiar with Anne Hathaway Fan from the old IMDB forum? He'll keep copying and pasting the same bullshit over and over again until you get brain cancer.
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Post by hairybuttcheeks on Mar 18, 2017 19:58:01 GMT
lol, i just read these threads to watch him get embarrassed over and over again. he admitted he does this just to get a rise out of people, and people keep feeding into it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2017 21:02:17 GMT
If they were that bad, theyd all be going 0-16, at least one team a year in that division, it doesnt happen. 0-16 has only happened once in NFL history. But the Dolphins went 1-15 in 2007. And the Jets went 4-12 while the Bills went 7-9 that year. So the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets combined to go 12-36 in 2007. So the year the Patriots went 16*-0, they had 6 games against 3 teams that combined to go 12-36. That's why the Patriots win so many games each year. Because they have pathetic teams like the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets in their division. teams dont lose players like they did back then. The Cowboys had a winning record every year for 20 straight seasons. Tell me, how many of those Cowboys players do you think were on the team for 20 straight seasons?
My guess would be ZERO. The Cowboys lost players over those 20 straight years, but the Cowboys continued to have a winning record every year over those 20 straight years.It isnt that impressive as they would get to keep their awesome talent. FA isnt like it is now. And yet, no other team back then or now has ever been able to have 20 straight winning seasons like the Cowboys did. A winning record every year for 2 whole decades. No, it wasn't a witchhunt. Are you claiming that Professor Marlow (the most respected physicist in the world today and the most qualified physicist in the world to speak on the science of DeflateGate) and Judge Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has no affiliation with the NFL and who took an oath to review evidence objectively and without bias) both conspired to participate in a witchhunt against Brady? Now that's ridiculous. Like I said, 3 independent and unbiased sources confirmed that Brady was guilty of cheating. cTHis is what matters: nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Judge-Berman-says-Deflategate-was-put-to-rest-by-Super-Bowl-51824608[/quote] Incompetent Berman was overturned by a higher court so what incompetent Berman says doesn't matter. It's been proven that Berman was incompetent and didn't understand the case, which is why Berman got slapped down by the higher court. “It’s not possible for weather not to have played a role,” said Professor Michael Naughton, chair of the physics department. Nothing that this Naughton says contradicts what Professor Marlow said. Professor Marlow didn't say that weather didn't play a role in the deflation of the footballs. Professor Marlow said that weather didn't play the ONLY role in the deflation of the footballs. Professor Marlow said that weather AND human tampering both played a role in the deflation of the footballs.Professors means nothing. One professor says one thing another can say another. Professor Marlow isn't just any Professor. Professor Marlow was also Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University, where Albert Einstein was a resident scholar. So the highly-respected Ivy League university where Albert Einstein (the most brilliant physicist in history) was a resident scholar made Professor Marlow the Chairman of their Department of Physics. Einstein wasn't just any physicist. Einsteain was the most brilliant physicist in history. Likewise, Professor Marlow isn't just any Professor. Professor Marlow is the most respected physicist in the world today and the most qualified physicist in the world to speak on the science of DeflateGate. What is with you comparing two different sports. IDGAFF about the Jamicans mens team, idc dude. This is Football, not MLB, not NBA, NFL. What is with you comparing two sports that arent comparable? Screaming youre dumb etc means nothing. Stick to football, not a "4 man" race team. This is insanely goofy. It is't goofy. You clearly realize that your argument was dumb so now you're trying to claim that the comparison is invalid. But it's a compltely valid and legitimate comparison. In both cases, an athlete attempted to cheat and got caught cheating. And he has 5 super bowl rings and no asterisks At least the first 4 are tainted by cheating and have asterisks. nothing changes that fact either. SpyGate and DeflateGate have already changed that. Just like Shoeless Joe Jackson will always be associated with the Black Sox Scandal, Brady will always be known for cheating with SpyGate and DeflateGate. They won every superbowl legit. No, that's like saying Lance Armstrong won every Tour de France race legit. The Patriots first 4 Super Bowl wins are tainted by cheating from SpyGate and DeflateGate and are no more legitimate wins than Lance Armstrong's 7 Tour de France wins or Rosie Ruiz' Boston Marathon win. you never liked them. Most people outside of NE fn hate them. I started hating them in 2007 after it was discovered that they had been nothing but cheaters and frauds, like Ben Johnson was. And in 2007, we found out the reason why they won. Because they had been cheating for 6+ seasons with SpyGate. Then in 2014, Brady got caught cheating again. Lets play devils advocate and say deflategate is legit DeflateGate is legit. 3 independent and unbiased sources confirmed that the evidence proves that Brady cheated. The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals re-instated the punishment for Brady's cheating. When was the last time that a U.S. federal appellate court upheld the punishment for someone they thought was innocent? The courts exist to protect the innocent. No U.S. federal appellate court would ever uphold the punishment for a defendant unless the court believed that defendant was guilty. And in DeflateGate, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld (not just upheld but overturned a lower court ruling) Brady's punishment because the evidence proved that Brady was guilty of the violatons that he had been charged with. it happened in the first half of the Indy game...remind me how the 2nd half went again? Again, that's completely irrelevant. You're trying to use the 2nd half of the DeflateGate game to suggest how the 1st half would've played out. That's invalid. What happened in the 1st half of this year's Super Bowl vs the 2nd half of this years Super Bowl? What happened in the 1st half of the 49ers-Patriots game in 2012 vs the 2nd half? Well, in both games, the Patriots played horrible in the 1st half and then played better in the 2nd half. Against the Falcons, the Patriots came back to win (with some help from the refs missing an obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots that would've given the Falcons a chance to kick a game-clinching FG late in the 4th quarter). Against the 49ers, the Patriots comeback fell short and the Patriots lost. So just because a team played well in the 2nd half doesn't mean that they would've played just as well in the 1st half. If the Patriots had used regular-sized footballs in the 1st half, then maybe the Colts would've blown out the Patriots in the 1st half (like the 49ers did in 2012 and the Falcons did in the Super Bowl) and taken a 30+ point at halftime. But since the Patriots used deflated footballs in the 1st half, that gave the Patriots an advantage in the 1st half and allowed the Patriots to get a double-digit halftime lead, instead of the Colts possibly having a 30+ point halftime lead. The Patriots are the best only when it comes to cheating. Without cheating, they're not the best. That was the luckiest play I ever seen in a super bowl. Brady's pass that was tipped straight into the air and should've been intercepted but was caught by Bennett who was lucky to be standing right where the tipped ball came down and also Brady's pass that was tipped and should've been intercepted but was caught by Edelman in this year's Super Bowl were both more lucky passes than Eli's pass. Maybe, we dont know what happens. Yes, we do know what would've happened. If referee Walt Coleman hadn't blown that call, then the Raiders get the ball with a 3-point lead. The Raiders kneel down and the Patriots don't have enough time outs to keep the clock from running out. The Raiders win that game and go to the AFC Championship Game. The Patriots lose and their season is over. Actually, we dont know that. Lynch wasnt automatic at the goal line, I forgot the stats, but if youre curious, look it up. Refs miss a lot of calls. Welker even said it is a catch hed make 99 out of 100 times. Of course, any receiver is going to say that rather than throw his QB under the bus for throwing an inaccurate pass. It's only Brady who allowed his wife to publicly throw Welker and the rest of the Patriots receivers under the bus. Whats more, Brady didn't want to seem like he was the 1 who was throwing them udner the bus so Brady had his wife publicly throw them under the bus so that he could pretend to be the good guy. Yet Brady never came forward and said "I apologize to Welker and my teammates for my wife's comments. She's a very passionate person and she misspoke in the heat of the moment." Instead, Brady just silently approved of dumb Gisele throwing Welker and the rest of the Patriots receivers under the bus for his inaccurate passes. He should have caught the ball. Brady should have thrown a better pass no doubt, but Welker should have caught it. Welker isn't the 1 who proclaimed to be "the greatest receiver ever". Brady was the 1 who proclaimed before the game to be "the greatest QB ever". When you proclaim to be the greatest QB ever and you have a wide-open receiver sprinting towards the end zone in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl, the your pass should be in front of the receiver so that the receiver can catch the pass in stride without slowing down or turning his body or leaping in the air (like Eli's perfectly-placed pass to Manningham). Your pass shouldnt be so far behind the wide-open receiver that he has to slow down and spin his body 180 degrees from the direction he's sprinting and leap high in the air and try to make an acrobatic catch. That pass to a wide-open Welker sprinting towards the end zone with no defender within 10 yards of Welker was an easy pass that any high school QB could've made. If you proclaim to be the "greatest QB ever" and you can't even make an accurate throw on such an easy pass, that's a BIG-TIME, EPIC choke! [/p]
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 18, 2017 21:04:23 GMT
WOW
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 18, 2017 21:24:49 GMT
The Cowboys will be winning the Super Bowl next year and the year after that and the year after that.
This from the same idiot who claimed Dak would be the first rookie to ever win a SuperBowl. How did that work out for you? Kind of hard for a player to win a SuperBowl when he's nevereven won a single playoff game!
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