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Post by Father Jack on Feb 27, 2018 8:28:36 GMT
Introducing Wednesday rounds, and no replays after the third round.
Thoughts?
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Post by WullieFort on Feb 27, 2018 8:40:50 GMT
It must be one of the great cup competitions in world football and should treated with a lot more respect than it is getting. Dump that silly Carabooooooooooooo Cup.
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 27, 2018 8:48:58 GMT
It is THE greatest domestic cup competition in the world... followed globally, the final is shown live in almost every country.
The FA seem to be bending over backwards to devalue and destroy it by pandering to the Premier League.
It's a disgrace.
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 27, 2018 8:51:55 GMT
FA Cup games should all be played at 3pm on Saturdays (a few on Sundays is acceptable I suppose to spread each round over the whole weekend).
Replays midweek.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 27, 2018 12:23:57 GMT
Don't really care. It all about the EPL for me.
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Post by weststigersbob on Feb 27, 2018 13:07:09 GMT
The FA.....pandering to the Premier League
Don’t really care, it’s all about the EPL for me.
The second line justifies the first, and is the opinion of most Football fans, especially those outside of the UK.
I for one, love the FA cup - solely because of its randomness and the fact that you see clubs from different divisions playing each other all the time. And with that comes the romance and the giant killing.
But the fact is that the bread and butter of the Football world nowadays is the leagues, and the EPL is the most successful of those, and by a long way.
Put it this way, if the league was to stop tomorrow, and just the FA Cup were left, would English club football be as popular as it now, and would it stand up to UEFA football, Germany, Italy, Spain - even France or the Netherlands and their domestic leagues ? It would sink like a stone and resemble Welsh club football, or worse, Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 13:33:53 GMT
In truth, the FA cup lost it's magic when Sky starting putting live football on every week. When I was a kid, the FA cup (early rounds and the final) was probably the only full live game I'd watch in the whole year. That meant it mattered. It was an event. They'd start the final in the morning then show you the coaches arriving, then Tarbuck et al would play a friendly, then they'd play the song, then they'd interview the celebrity fans, then they'd interview the players etc.
Do they still even do FA Cup final songs? Doubt it.
Sky are the reason the FA cup doesn't matter. But it was always going to happen.
All we can do is reminisce.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 13:49:24 GMT
In truth, the FA cup lost it's magic when Sky starting putting live football on every week. When I was a kid, the FA cup (early rounds and the final) was probably the only full live game I'd watch in the whole year. That meant it mattered. It was an event. They'd start the final in the morning then show you the coaches arriving, then Tarbuck et al would play a friendly, then they'd play the song, then they'd interview the celebrity fans, then they'd interview the players etc. Do they still even do FA Cup final songs? Doubt it. Sky are the reason the FA cup doesn't matter. But it was always going to happen. All we can do is reminisce. Yeah, I miss the shitty FA Cup songs. Guess it is because the revenue they generate is tiny. This one was a bit before my time, but I guess some songs are timeless:
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 27, 2018 15:08:24 GMT
Sutton United had an FA Cup song last year... My mate Comrade X did it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 18:38:54 GMT
Don't see how anyone can object to ditching replays - but it should be for every round including qualifying. Replaying the tie is absolute insanity, not to mention potential scheduling headache. I guess you could make an argument that playing ties on Wednesdays devalues it somehow, but you'll live.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Feb 27, 2018 18:58:19 GMT
huge fan.
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 27, 2018 20:45:55 GMT
Don't see how anyone can object to ditching replays - but it should be for every round including qualifying. Replaying the tie is absolute insanity, not to mention potential scheduling headache. I guess you could make an argument that playing ties on Wednesdays devalues it somehow, but you'll live. I fucking object to ditching replays! It devalues the cup, and robs underdogs of an important opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 23:32:57 GMT
Don't see how anyone can object to ditching replays - but it should be for every round including qualifying. Replaying the tie is absolute insanity, not to mention potential scheduling headache. I guess you could make an argument that playing ties on Wednesdays devalues it somehow, but you'll live. I fucking object to ditching replays! It devalues the cup, and robs underdogs of an important opportunity. How does it devalue it? In which other sport do they go "oh, tied game, well I guess we just have to play the whole game from the beginning again."
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Post by weststigersbob on Feb 28, 2018 1:21:40 GMT
I fucking object to ditching replays! It devalues the cup, and robs underdogs of an important opportunity. How does it devalue it? In which other sport do they go "oh, tied game, well I guess we just have to play the whole game from the beginning again." North - just because every other sport does it, doesn’t mean the FA Cup should too. That’s a shit reason to do anything really. Clubs get 90 minutes plus stoppages and now extra time to produce a winning advantage. After that, a replay is just more extra time but played on a different day. Many football fans dislike penalty shoot outs as a method of separating teams, and aside from the drama, I feel the same. I couldn’t imagine a home run derby deciding a baseball game or a a free throw contest deciding a basketball game. the other issue Father Jack is referring to (well at least I think he is) is lower division clubs hosting higher division clubs, especially top flight clubs. It’s a huge windfall for the smaller club. At the moment, the draw is completely random as the assigning of home and away teams. With a replay, it’s held at the away teams home ground. If a small club manages a draw away in the original rubber, they deserve the financial windfall and the home ground advantage in the replay. Penalties takes all this out of the equation.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 2:37:57 GMT
How does it devalue it? In which other sport do they go "oh, tied game, well I guess we just have to play the whole game from the beginning again." North - just because every other sport does it, doesn’t mean the FA Cup should too. That’s a shit reason to do anything really. Clubs get 90 minutes plus stoppages and now extra time to produce a winning advantage. After that, a replay is just more extra time but played on a different day. Many football fans dislike penalty shoot outs as a method of separating teams, and aside from the drama, I feel the same. I couldn’t imagine a home run derby deciding a baseball game or a a free throw contest deciding a basketball game. We'll just agree to disagree then, because you won't convince me playing a 90 minute replay is a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 5:33:50 GMT
I'm on the fence on this one. I mean there has been some great replays like the 4-4 between Everton & Liverpool where Kenny Dalglish famously resigned after the game, and the 2-1 United-Arsenal game in 99, where Bergkamp missed that last minute penalty, then Giggs dribbled it around the entire Arsenal defence to score down the other end. We would have been robbed of some great games down the years had there been no replays. BUT... There is something unsatisfactory about a game finishing and going to a replay. Bit like the first leg of CL games, but I suppose there is a bit more tension in the FA Cup than a first leg game. But this thing about it helping small teams. It doesn't. Other than a short term injection of cash. How many times has a small club got a draw against a PL team, then won the replay? Never happens, the small clubs always get murdered in the replay. As the saying goes, you only get one shot at the big boys. Leyton Orient played Arsenal about 5 or 6 years ago in the 5th round, drew 1-1. Now if you are asking me, would I rather Orient take our chances with a penalty shoot-out there and then, or take the replay at The Emirates in front of 60,000? I'll take the shoot-out every fucking time. Happily take a coin flip coz I wanna knock the fucking gooners out the FA Cup and get into the quarter finals!! For the record we lost the replay 5-0. And look where Orient are now, so it did us a fat lot of good! Think I'm leaning towards 'get rid' now. PS And I'm sure someone will come up with an example of a small club (below the Championship) winning the replay, but it is such a rarity compared to the amount of times the small club could have taken the shoot-out and gone through.
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Post by weststigersbob on Feb 28, 2018 7:17:00 GMT
North, Stanley - both of you raise very valid points. My liking of replays stems more from a distaste for penalty shoot outs. That being said, I’ve long thought that on most occasions when pens are used, both Teams are happy to go to pens. This is because they actually think it’s their best chance of going through, rather than actually winning the game. It makes ET really, excruciatingly fucking boring though. And subsequently, redundant. Therefore, I believe it should be 90’ plus stoppages then either A) straight to pens or B) Extra time, then a replay......
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 28, 2018 7:52:04 GMT
The concept of doing a "replay" after tying the game is utterly antique. I'm glad that's changing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:26:55 GMT
North, Stanley - both of you raise very valid points. My liking of replays stems more from a distaste for penalty shoot outs. That being said, I’ve long thought that on most occasions when pens are used, both Teams are happy to go to pens. This is because they actually think it’s their best chance of going through, rather than actually winning the game. It makes ET really, excruciatingly fucking boring though. And subsequently, redundant. Therefore, I believe it should be 90’ plus stoppages then either A) straight to pens or B) Extra time, then a replay...... Maybe they could ask the fans at the end of the game. Give each fan a card that they hold up after 90 minutes, with green on one side, red on the other, 'green' means "let's do this right here, right now". 'Red' means "stop, let's go to a replay". Let democracy decide. I quite like the idea as well of isolated fights breaking out within the stadium when the guy next to you sees what you are voting for and tries to grab your card off you. Can't really see the replay winning very often, except maybe when a club is being threatened with administration. Take Leyton Orient as an example, we'd only piss the money up the wall on some crock or has-been. There has to be something wrong with them if they've agreed to join Orient.
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Post by dougb on Feb 28, 2018 14:45:07 GMT
Relegation and promotion has become far too important financially these days, certainly in the top two divisions the FA Cup has become seen as an annoyance that just has to be put up with rather than strived for. Never thought I'd see the day that Millwall would feel in a position to put out a weakened team for the cup as they did against Rochdale and I for one was actually glad we went out as I thoroughly believe is negative to League play. I honestly believe that the year Millwall made it to the final it cost us promotion to the Premier League. Didn't see us put one 50/50 tackle in once we knew we were in the final. The old joke saying "concentrate on the league" has actually become true these days.
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