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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 21:40:37 GMT
Toasted Cheese It doesn't matter if they want it or not if they are brainwashed. They're going to march in and face the machete... If religion is a necessity in that child's life, then the tenets of that religion matter and warranted considering no harm is caused (Harm and pain are not synonymous.) See, the questioning verifies the bias against religion which is why this is indeed a religious discrimination law. The people who concocted it are like you and thus are unable to comprehend the importance in the child's life. It literally escapes you. So if the law is biased in the first place, I still can;t understand why a doctor wouldn't be questioning an 18 year old who walks in and says chop my penis off. That is what circumcision is isn't it and the dude is still doing it for the same "harmful" reasons. Who said i did?I often wonder what happened in a foreskinned person's life to be concerned so much about circumcision when so many of us circumcised dudes are living normal lives except that people consistently tell us we aren't. My concern is purely from a religious discrimination standpoint because the more you chip away at religious freedom, the more likely ones will be to ban religion altogether.My religion does not require circumcisions, so that's a non-issue, but protecting the rights of others beliefs when no harm is caused, protects my religious freedoms as well as atheists & theophobiacs. What a fine example of a 'slippery slope' argument you have there. This 'religious freedom' thing is sounding more and more about religious people wanting exemptions from secular laws. It happened with the cake thing, the marriage licence thing and now, if a ban on circumcision in Iceland goes ahead the religious folk will demand exemption from that on religious grounds too. Where does it end? See what I did there?...my own little slippery slope argument to counter yours! |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 21:41:51 GMT
No, I meant that circumcision should only be performed as a matter of medical necessity. Why if those are analogous to it? They aren't. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 21:44:21 GMT
Why if those are analogous to it? They aren't. Why aren't they? |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 22:02:25 GMT
Why if those are analogous to it? They aren't. The intention behind each procedure differs. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 22:06:23 GMT
The intention behind each procedure differs. Sp people have to worry about you being worried about their intentions before they can do it? Why can't it be none of your business? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 1, 2018 22:21:05 GMT
Toasted Cheese It doesn't matter if they want it or not if they are brainwashed. They're going to march in and face the machete... If religion is a necessity in that child's life, then the tenets of that religion matter and warranted considering no harm is caused (Harm and pain are not synonymous.) See, the questioning verifies the bias against religion which is why this is indeed a religious discrimination law. The people who concocted it are like you and thus are unable to comprehend the importance in the child's life. It literally escapes you. So if the law is biased in the first place, I still can;t understand why a doctor wouldn't be questioning an 18 year old who walks in and says chop my penis off. That is what circumcision is isn't it and the dude is still doing it for the same "harmful" reasons. Who said i did?I often wonder what happened in a foreskinned person's life to be concerned so much about circumcision when so many of us circumcised dudes are living normal lives except that people consistently tell us we aren't. My concern is purely from a religious discrimination standpoint because the more you chip away at religious freedom, the more likely ones will be to ban religion altogether. My religion does not require circumcisions, so that's a non-issue, but protecting the rights of others beliefs when no harm is caused, protects my religious freedoms as well as atheists & theophobiacs. More insidious and confused blather. You say it doesn't matter if they want it or not, THEY ARE GOING TO MARCH IN AND FACE THE MACHETE and you later claim that you don't feel it necessary they get a circumcision with your retort of...Who said I did? What don't you understand about the consent issue? Hypocrite much! You are now using religion as a springboard, in a feeble attempt to back up your argument. MOST circumcisions are not performed out of religious dogma. That is another disturbing issue altogether. The main concern is about protecting a basic human right of "personal choice" and "autonomy" over the right about what happens to ones body. At the moment, it's about doctors wanting to profit, ignorant parents being controlling, and sociopathic religious nutters making a sort of sick offering to some God that can't even be proven. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 1, 2018 22:34:47 GMT
Good, before the age of 18 which is common sense. These are just typical false equivalencies by religious institutions, or is that despots, to justify the vile procedure that they partake in. I'm not sure what is worse, the circumcision itself, or the inane religious reasoning for wanting to remove the foreskin, so the child will go to heaven. Isn't that forcing religious beliefs onto a somebody even before they have an opportunity to make up their own mind about their life, the world around them and their own awareness and state of being? It It's not a false equivalency, it's just one you don't like because you think piercings are more minor and circumcisions are this ginormous life damaging event. Piercings are normally done with the child's consent and even that is questionable, if the child is young. Tattoos are illegal for anyone under 18 for good reason, and so should circumcision be. Piercings are more often than not, done on an exposed part of the body like the earlobe, for fashion accessories. A penis is a sacred part of the body and is 99.9% of the time concealed under clothing, because it is considered a "private" erogenous zone. They are the genital area of the body and are also sexualized. Circumcising this area WITHOUT CONSENT, is a violent and vile sexual assault on the body of a child and you are buying into this. Yes, it is a ginormous life damaging event to think that many in society feel this is acceptable. |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 22:36:38 GMT
The intention behind each procedure differs. Sp people have to worry about you being worried about their intentions before they can do it? Why can't it be none of your business? What a stupid argument. Is child abuse not everybody's business? Would you feel affronted if some parents who had a baby born with a large nose having it 'fixed' on day three of its life? How about they were football fans and wanted their three day old baby tattooed with their team's insignia? I personally have been affronted by some ethnicities having their baby's ears pierced, though this is less serious as they can grow over and ear lobes are different in function to a foreskin. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 23:00:11 GMT
Sp people have to worry about you being worried about their intentions before they can do it? Why can't it be none of your business? What a stupid argument. Is child abuse not everybody's business? Would you feel affronted if some parents who had a baby born with a large nose having it 'fixed' on day three of its life? How about they were football fans and wanted their three day old baby tattooed with their team's insignia? I personally have been affronted by some ethnicities having their baby's ears pierced, though this is less serious as they can grow over and ear lobes are different in function to a foreskin. child abuse lol Anyway, you apparently missed reading what you commented on in the first place. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 1, 2018 23:01:17 GMT
Sp people have to worry about you being worried about their intentions before they can do it? Why can't it be none of your business? What a stupid argument. Is child abuse not everybody's business? Would you feel affronted if some parents who had a baby born with a large nose having it 'fixed' on day three of its life? How about they were football fans and wanted their three day old baby tattooed with their team's insignia? I personally have been affronted by some ethnicities having their baby's ears pierced, though this is less serious as they can grow over and ear lobes are different in function to a foreskin. doesn't understand that "intent" is behind everything and there are consequences for this. He would rather control and manipulate others into his warped way of thinking. It's more to do with 'ignorance' and 'control issues' being behind these bizarre contradictory and highly questionable notions of his. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 23:07:15 GMT
It's not a false equivalency, it's just one you don't like because you think piercings are more minor and circumcisions are this ginormous life damaging event. Piercings are normally done with the child's consent and even that is questionable, if the child is young. Tattoos are illegal for anyone under 18 for good reason, and so should circumcision be. Piercings are more often than not, done on an exposed part of the body like the earlobe, for fashion accessories. A penis is a sacred part of the body and is 99.9% of the time concealed under clothing, because it is considered a "private" erogenous zone. They are the genital area of the body and are also sexualized. Circumcising this area WITHOUT CONSENT, is a violent and vile sexual assault on the body of a child and you are buying into this. Yes, it is a ginormous life damaging event to think that many in society feel this is acceptable. A penis is an exposed part of the body. They aren't lopping off a testicle and sewing the sack back up. Babies get piercings without consent which was the point of the statement. Heck any non-life threatening surgery on a baby is done without consent. Tattoos can be gotten in most places as a kid with consent. Lol at circumcision being a sexual assault... |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 23:09:19 GMT
What a stupid argument. Is child abuse not everybody's business? Would you feel affronted if some parents who had a baby born with a large nose having it 'fixed' on day three of its life? How about they were football fans and wanted their three day old baby tattooed with their team's insignia? I personally have been affronted by some ethnicities having their baby's ears pierced, though this is less serious as they can grow over and ear lobes are different in function to a foreskin. child abuse lol Anyway, you apparently missed reading what you commented on in the first place. Subjecting a baby to unnecessary surgery at such a young age IS child abuse. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 23:09:38 GMT
What a stupid argument. Is child abuse not everybody's business? Would you feel affronted if some parents who had a baby born with a large nose having it 'fixed' on day three of its life? How about they were football fans and wanted their three day old baby tattooed with their team's insignia? I personally have been affronted by some ethnicities having their baby's ears pierced, though this is less serious as they can grow over and ear lobes are different in function to a foreskin. doesn't understand that "intent" is behind everything and there are consequences for this. He would rather control and manipulate others into his warped way of thinking. It's more to do with 'ignorance' and 'control issues' being behind these bizarre contradictory and highly questionable notions of his. I Understand intent. There is definitely intent behind religious or medical circumcisions, it's just no reason to think you have any business have authority over it. Nobody cares what you think which is what you don't understand. Stop sticking your penis issues in places it doesn't belong. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 1, 2018 23:10:40 GMT
child abuse lol Anyway, you apparently missed reading what you commented on in the first place. Subjecting a baby to unnecessary surgery at such a young age IS child abuse. Again, that's not what you were commenting on, but since you have committed to changing the subject... What's necessary surgery again? |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 23:15:57 GMT
Subjecting a baby to unnecessary surgery at such a young age IS child abuse. Again, that's not what you were commenting on, but since you have committed to changing the subject... What's necessary surgery again? Something with a medical component to correct something that is malformed diseased or non-functional. |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 2, 2018 2:52:28 GMT
Hey look, another thread where Goz displays her illiteracy. Shocking.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 2, 2018 7:27:59 GMT
Piercings are normally done with the child's consent and even that is questionable, if the child is young. Tattoos are illegal for anyone under 18 for good reason, and so should circumcision be. Piercings are more often than not, done on an exposed part of the body like the earlobe, for fashion accessories. A penis is a sacred part of the body and is 99.9% of the time concealed under clothing, because it is considered a "private" erogenous zone. They are the genital area of the body and are also sexualized. Circumcising this area WITHOUT CONSENT, is a violent and vile sexual assault on the body of a child and you are buying into this. Yes, it is a ginormous life damaging event to think that many in society feel this is acceptable. A penis is an exposed part of the body. They aren't lopping off a testicle and sewing the sack back up. Babies get piercings without consent which was the point of the statement. Heck any non-life threatening surgery on a baby is done without consent. Tattoos can be gotten in most places as a kid with consent. Lol at circumcision being a sexual assault... Nice Call Cool! Just go around exposing your penis and see how far that gets you. Also see how far it gets you piercing or tattooing the erogenous zones of a male child. If that is illegal, removing the foreskin off a male child without their adult consent should be doubly so. Yes, it is a vile sexual abuse. An adult can't go around touching and fondling a kids penis without serious repercussions, then they also shouldn't be going around butchering them. Massive double standard at play here. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 2, 2018 7:31:58 GMT
CoolJGS☺ doesn't understand that "intent" is behind everything and there are consequences for this. He would rather control and manipulate others into his warped way of thinking. It's more to do with 'ignorance' and 'control issues' being behind these bizarre contradictory and highly questionable notions of his. I Understand intent. There is definitely intent behind religious or medical circumcisions, it's just no reason to think you have any business have authority over it. Nobody cares what you think which is what you don't understand. Stop sticking your penis issues in places it doesn't belong. If they're my issues, they must be yours too. Why are you then attempting to make some sort of weird and asinine points? This is an open chat forum that can offer many opinions, not just closed minded and degenerate ones. The intent is born out of ignorance, self-serving agendas and pious reasoning behind religious and medical circumcisions. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 2, 2018 7:53:01 GMT
That is good news.
..most of my problems began when I was circumcised.
I feel like the best part of me was cut away.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2018 13:14:15 GMT
I Understand intent. There is definitely intent behind religious or medical circumcisions, it's just no reason to think you have any business have authority over it. Nobody cares what you think which is what you don't understand. Stop sticking your penis issues in places it doesn't belong. If they're my issues, they must be yours too. Why are you then attempting to make some sort of weird and asinine points? This is an open chat forum that can offer many opinions, not just closed minded and degenerate ones. The intent is born out of ignorance, self-serving agendas and pious reasoning behind religious and medical circumcisions. I don't have a problem with you sharing your opinion, I just take issue with the idiotic way you imply things which are not true. I mean you wasted a post previously trying to tell me what my religious beliefs are...again. It would seem appropriate that I say something to stop you from being a moron. You are correct that since this is an open forum, I assumed I could say how stupid your statements are. Was I wrong to assume that? |
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