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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 6, 2018 13:47:07 GMT
1. Cancer is the best way to die as it allows people the chance to say goodbye without having a long drawn-out death. 2. Hitler was the best orator of the twentieth century. 3. Most modern minimalists write music of little long term worth. 4. Current Tarantino projects are often as self indulgent and up the director's own arse as were middle period (1968 +) Godard. 5. If it is really true that 'people kill people, not guns', then there is no argument for asking N Korea or other rogue states not to acquire as many nukes as they want. Agree on 1., 2., and 5. With 2. I think you could replace "modern minimalists" with any artistic genre and it would be true; what gets remembered is a tiny fraction of what's produced. I like some minimalist music though (different stuff by Reich, Glass, and Eno especially). 4. would be interesting to discuss. Tarantino's and Godard's indulgences are almost opposites: Godard was indulging in experimental film forms spurred by his philosophical and political views and a desire to be more didactic than entertaining. Tarantino's indulgences are all cinematic, his desire to ape all the genres and films he grew up with. Tarantino in all his indulgences remains an entertainer because it's all in the name of fun and escapism, while Godard was anti-escapism; he wanted his audiences aware they were watching a film, watching something that was manipulated and manipulative so they could confront and address the (to him) serious and more-important real-life subject matter. Thankfully, Godard pulled out of his '68-'79 death spiral to return with some great films in the 80s and after. As great as his 60s period was, 80s-and-on Godard holds a special place for me because of how incomparably beautiful, poetic, dense, and challenging it is. I've never encountered films that I was so enraptured by aesthetically, while having so little clue as to what the hell was going on narratively! |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 6, 2018 13:49:25 GMT
Another unpopular musical opinion: Megadeth > Metallica I totally agree. I love Dave. I like his singing way more than James. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 6, 2018 17:18:43 GMT
Another unpopular musical opinion: Megadeth > Metallica I totally agree. I love Dave. I like his singing way more than James. Ha! James's singing is about the only thing in Metallica I prefer to Megadeth... though I will say that Dave's snarl fits some songs really well. |
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Post by goz on Mar 6, 2018 20:04:02 GMT
Bob Dylan is the most over rated singer songwriter of the 20th century.
I find most of his stuff as boring as batshit and his vocal style a dirge.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 7, 2018 1:52:01 GMT
Bob Dylan is the most over rated singer songwriter of the 20th century. I find most of his stuff as boring as batshit and his vocal style a dirge. Dem's fightin words!   |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2018 8:02:50 GMT
Yes, I see your point. I'm still certain Porter Wagoner was a band leader (of the Wagonmasters) with significant knowledge of all the instruments in the band. He was also a prolific song writer. Does that change anything? I think "Porter Wagoner and the Wagon Wheels" was at least an informal name of his band at some time. I'm not certain why I remember that expression, but I do. I doubt many on this board are old enough to remember Porter Wagoner's television show. I didn't watch it much, but that's how I know who he is, not by the radio. Although Bob Dylan certainly was a "musician" by the definition of being a guitarist and harmonica player or "intrumentalist," I think of him more as a "poet" because his music was never as popular as his words. I also consider band leaders/conductors and songwriters different than musicians. They're all distinctly different skills, and even though one may be involved in all of them (including singing), they usually tend to be more focused/gifted in on area. I know of Wagoner thanks to my extended family who are all country fans. I grew up with a lot of the old stuff and still have a nostalgic fondness for it, even though I'm not really a country fan myself now. To me, Bob Dylan was the definitive songwriter precisely because he made the words as important as the music, but I wouldn't say MORE important. I don't think many would read Dylan the way we read Wordsworth or Shelley; but without his lyrics, his music definitely loses much of its impact. It's a true marriage of the two. Dylan was also a master at knowing how to shade lyrical meaning via music, so what might seem dry and dull on the page is given power and potency in song. One also shouldn't discount how musically versatile Dylan has been, from folk, to rock, to psychedelia, to country, to gospel, to new wave, to blues. He's a sonic chameleon, and yet has been able to make worthwhile contributions in every genre. Since Dylan, I think the only artist whose come close to his monumental legacy is Tom Waits; and as much as I love Waits, I still think there's a huge chasm between the two. Remember Bob Dylan's Nobel prize was for literature, not music. Not being a music specialist, I am just going to use "musician" to refer to anyone who makes a living at, or could reasonably make a living at, some musical performance. The person who has special skill as a guitarist is a guitarist, the person who has special skill as a singer is a singer. If their skill is exceptional that would be a virtuoso guitarist. The general public is going to take words for their own use and there isn't much you can do to stop it. They are going to use "virtuoso" to describe athletes, politicians, chefs and and all sorts of things not musical. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2018 8:16:39 GMT
Bob Dylan is the most over rated singer songwriter of the 20th century. I find most of his stuff as boring as batshit and his vocal style a dirge. Bob Dylan received a Nobel prize for literature, not music. I have always considered him more poet than a musician, although "lyricist" is supposed to be his designation rather than poet. |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 7, 2018 11:27:42 GMT
Bob Dylan is the most over rated singer songwriter of the 20th century. I find most of his stuff as boring as batshit and his vocal style a dirge. Bob Dylan received a Nobel prize for literature, not music. I have always considered him more poet than a musician, although "lyricist" is supposed to be his designation rather than poet. Well, that is what songwriting is. Poetry set to music. |
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 7, 2018 11:43:21 GMT
The book ending to 'A Clockwork Orange' is better than the movie ending. I'm actually not sure if this is unpopular or not, but I usually here the reverse from people. The movie ending kinda misses Burgess's whole point - even the most depraved could turn good but they can't be forced to be so. The priest character is sort of the authorial voice. |
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 7, 2018 11:46:12 GMT
- Batman Forever is the best Batman film ever made.
- Kristen Stewart is a good actress.
- Alien is not even in the same league as Aliens. I even prefer Alien 3.
- Blade Runner is far inferior to the original novel
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 7, 2018 11:48:28 GMT
Bob Dylan is the most over rated singer songwriter of the 20th century. I find most of his stuff as boring as batshit and his vocal style a dirge. Dylan had many excellent songs. Just a pity he had to be the one singing them... |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 7, 2018 12:44:52 GMT
I also consider band leaders/conductors and songwriters different than musicians. They're all distinctly different skills, and even though one may be involved in all of them (including singing), they usually tend to be more focused/gifted in on area. I know of Wagoner thanks to my extended family who are all country fans. I grew up with a lot of the old stuff and still have a nostalgic fondness for it, even though I'm not really a country fan myself now. To me, Bob Dylan was the definitive songwriter precisely because he made the words as important as the music, but I wouldn't say MORE important. I don't think many would read Dylan the way we read Wordsworth or Shelley; but without his lyrics, his music definitely loses much of its impact. It's a true marriage of the two. Dylan was also a master at knowing how to shade lyrical meaning via music, so what might seem dry and dull on the page is given power and potency in song. One also shouldn't discount how musically versatile Dylan has been, from folk, to rock, to psychedelia, to country, to gospel, to new wave, to blues. He's a sonic chameleon, and yet has been able to make worthwhile contributions in every genre. Since Dylan, I think the only artist whose come close to his monumental legacy is Tom Waits; and as much as I love Waits, I still think there's a huge chasm between the two. Remember Bob Dylan's Nobel prize was for literature, not music. Not being a music specialist, I am just going to use "musician" to refer to anyone who makes a living at, or could reasonably make a living at, some musical performance. The person who has special skill as a guitarist is a guitarist, the person who has special skill as a singer is a singer. If their skill is exceptional that would be a virtuoso guitarist. The general public is going to take words for their own use and there isn't much you can do to stop it. They are going to use "virtuoso" to describe athletes, politicians, chefs and and all sorts of things not musical. That's because there IS no Nobel Prize for music. Plenty of literature snobs were pretty pissed about it too. That's fine if you want to use it like that; it may just confuse people like me who draw those distinctions. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 19:47:32 GMT
This seems to be an unpopular opinion.
"It's not religion that is the cause of all evil, the cause of all evil are humans."
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Post by phludowin on Mar 7, 2018 20:35:11 GMT
Remember Bob Dylan's Nobel prize was for literature, not music. Not being a music specialist, I am just going to use "musician" to refer to anyone who makes a living at, or could reasonably make a living at, some musical performance. The person who has special skill as a guitarist is a guitarist, the person who has special skill as a singer is a singer. If their skill is exceptional that would be a virtuoso guitarist. The general public is going to take words for their own use and there isn't much you can do to stop it. They are going to use "virtuoso" to describe athletes, politicians, chefs and and all sorts of things not musical. That's because there IS no Nobel Prize for music. Plenty of literature snobs were pretty pissed about it too. That's fine if you want to use it like that; it may just confuse people like me who draw those distinctions. As I said in the Déjà Vu thread: A musician is a person who makes music. If singers were not musicians, then songs would not be music. And that, to me, is absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:39:47 GMT
Pretty simple. Post some unpopular opinions about any topic that you hold. Mine: ‘The Quick and the Dead’ is the best western ever made. Star Wars, Star Trek and LoTR all suck. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:41:08 GMT
My 'unpopular' opinions. - Psychedelics should be legal - The more time a person spends on their cell phone - the less conscious they are - If you're fat, it's your fault - 'Political correctness' is stupid - Tattoos should be mandatory - Porn is bad - If an animal is not fighting or attempting to run away, consent is implied - The stories in the Bible don't need to be true to be important - Every God ever imagined exists OSV - That is shocking!!!! |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 8, 2018 2:33:32 GMT
That's because there IS no Nobel Prize for music. Plenty of literature snobs were pretty pissed about it too. That's fine if you want to use it like that; it may just confuse people like me who draw those distinctions. As I said in the Déjà Vu thread: A musician is a person who makes music. If singers were not musicians, then songs would not be music. And that, to me, is absurd. Sure, that's one definition of musician, but another is someone who plays an instrument. It's not uncommon to use the word to categorize those who play instruments from those that sing, or write songs, or conduct. It just depends on what sense you're using it in. |
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Mar 8, 2018 4:30:06 GMT
- Batman Forever is the best Batman film ever made. - Kristen Stewart is a good actress. - Alien is not even in the same league as Aliens. I even prefer Alien 3. - Blade Runner is far inferior to the original novel 1. Agree...probably mostly due to nostalgia. It was my favorite movie growing up. 2. Yea, she's okay. 3. Agree with the first sentence but...come on! Aliens 3 better than Alien? 3. Nope. I hated 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'. Cutting out all the extemporaneous shit and streamlining the story worked wonders for Blade Runner, IMHO. But, then again, I'm not much of a fan of PKD's work. I also hated 'A Scanner Darkly' and 'The Man in the High Castle', although I did like 'Ubik'. |
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Mar 8, 2018 4:30:56 GMT
This seems to be an unpopular opinion. "It's not religion that is the cause of all evil, the cause of all evil are humans." Actually, that's the most popular of all opinions in the history of ever. |
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Mar 8, 2018 4:32:27 GMT
I agree about New Orders mediocrity but...I like them more than Joy Division. I remember how disappointed I was with Unknown Pleasures after the first track, Disorder. Too damn mopey. I love Unknown Pleasures, that was the first JD album I listened to. I like Closer a bit more though. Their music can be kind of a downer, though they do have some upbeat, rockin tracks (Transmission, Shadowplay, Dead Souls) Yea, I need to try out 'Closer'. I was so bummed with 'Unknown Pleasures' that I just sort of ignored them. I should give them a second chance. |
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