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Post by kuatorises on Mar 9, 2018 15:10:36 GMT
By coincidence (or not) Dr. Zaius is doing it in Planet of the Apes when he is talking to Taylor in his office. But that Harambe thing was really vile. I didnt know the kid was black when I heard about it, but shooting the gorilla to protect the kid was unbelievably immoral, given that a) the zoo claims to be about protecting wildlife-I know, it's bullshit--it is just a business-always was and b) children -of any race, are not endangered. And they wont put up a better barrier to protect gorillas from stupid people either because it may affect tourism. Zoos are prisons.necessary for conservation and education and do more for the preservation of all kinds of animal species then not educated people who criticize them ever will. I didn't know the kid was black in the Harambe incident? wtf?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 9, 2018 15:18:33 GMT
Are people primarily upset that a fire could have been started or that the animal could have burned itself? Or perhaps folks are primarily upset that a patron threw something into the animal's enclosure?
Because otherwise I don't see what the problem is here. The zoo itself isn't supplying the orangutan with cigarettes.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 9, 2018 17:36:45 GMT
necessary for conservation and education and do more for the preservation of all kinds of animal species then not educated people who criticize them ever will. I didn't know the kid was black in the Harambe incident? wtf? Not necessary for education. It teaches people that animals are objects. The fact that they shot the gorilla to save the child proves it is all a lie. I thought conservation was the most important thing? The message of the shooting is that gorillas are just prisoners for human amusement. In 1989 when Hurricane Andrew hit Florida they abandoned the animals. That's zoo conservation.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 9, 2018 17:41:30 GMT
necessary for conservation and education and do more for the preservation of all kinds of animal species then not educated people who criticize them ever will. I didn't know the kid was black in the Harambe incident? wtf? Not necessary for education. It teaches people that animals are objects. The fact that they shot the gorilla to save the child proves it is all a lie. I thought conservation was the most important thing? The message of the shooting is that gorillas are just prisoners for human amusement. In 1989 when Hurricane Andrew hit Florida they abandoned the animals. That's zoo conservation. I think you need to go out more and get more oxygen.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 9, 2018 18:06:57 GMT
I think you need to go out more and get more oxygen. I think you need it more. Naive, so very naive.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 18:27:12 GMT
I have a tale to tell about some Kodiac Bear Cubs who were orphaned as infants by some idiot hunter who killed their mom even tho' he knew she had cubs. He actually bragged about it. The cubs were sought and located and just barely rescued and their in-evitable doom averted. Because bears need a parent to even begin to have a chance of survival in the wild they could not just be released to take their chances. The brothers now reside within a 1.5 - 2 acre landscaped, safe bear environment with trees, a wild pond stocked periodically with live fish, and assorted enrichment activities. They have a bridge so that they can choose their environment caves with ponds or woods They are beautiful animals and it's been a pleasure to watch them grow. Never once thought of them as "objects". Boda and Munsey as babies ... they are named after the guys who rescued them !
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Post by deembastille on Mar 9, 2018 18:28:37 GMT
Are people primarily upset that a fire could have been started or that the animal could have burned itself? Or perhaps folks are primarily upset that a patron threw something into the animal's enclosure? Because otherwise I don't see what the problem is here. The zoo itself isn't supplying the orangutan with cigarettes. Funny how the orangutan knew WTF to do with the cig.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 18:31:32 GMT
Primemovermithrax Pejorative Not necessary for education. It teaches people that animals are objects. The fact that they shot the gorilla to save the child proves it is all a lie. I thought conservation was the most important thing? The message of the shooting is that gorillas are just prisoners for human amusement. Total BALDERDASH
I would say more but your typical tl;dr essays are ultimately pretty pointless and you love to debate (which I suspect is behind your pot-stirring "statement" ) and I don't so
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 18:35:16 GMT
Funny how the orangutan knew what to do with the cig.
Unlike some humans, orangutans learn quickly and just by watching the behavior of others. He had no doubt watched smokers smoke so when the damn fool threw a LIT cigarette at him he knew what to do.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 9, 2018 18:38:11 GMT
Are people primarily upset that a fire could have been started or that the animal could have burned itself? Or perhaps folks are primarily upset that a patron threw something into the animal's enclosure? Because otherwise I don't see what the problem is here. The zoo itself isn't supplying the orangutan with cigarettes. Funny how the orangutan knew WTF to do with the cig. Yeah, that was actually what struck me most about the video. It shows just how intelligent and observant they are.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 9, 2018 18:39:40 GMT
Funny how the orangutan knew what to do with the cig.
Unlike some humans, orangutans learn quickly and just by watching the behavior of others. He had no doubt watched smokers smoke so when the damn fool threw a LIT cigarette at him he knew what to do. I knew the answer to that. Just showing everyone that if orangutans can pay attention to adult humans and imitate the bad behavior they display, then HUMAN CHILDREN can too!!! "YOU, DAD! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!"
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 18:42:34 GMT
PBS has a Nature program bout 'tangs who are being re-habbed after becoming orphans.
They are incredibly smart and innovative; Presented with puzzles as enrichment activities ... they are aces.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 18:45:38 GMT
I knew the answer to that. Just showing everyone that if orangutans can pay attention to adult humans and imitate the bad behavior they display, then HUMAN CHILDREN can too!!! "YOU, DAD! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!"
ok...
always glad to have the obvious pointed out even when it has nothing to do with anything.
Non-sequiturs rule.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 9, 2018 18:57:49 GMT
Total BALDERDASH
I would say more but your typical tl;dr essays are ultimately pretty pointless and you love to debate (which I suspect is behind your pot-stirring "statement" ) and I don't so That's perfectly alright because you will lose the debate. Some people think having opinions is enough-being able to back up those opinions with persuasive argument is usually a better way to go. That's my motto. So those who think zoos are wonderful places are welcome to change places with the involuntary inhabitants. Refusal to do so is all the evidence one needs on their actual views of what zoos are. Criminals are usually placed in confinement *as a punishment.* Next!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 9, 2018 19:28:08 GMT
Primemovermithrax Pejorativeor post such a wall of words with so many twists and turns that the other party in what started out as a simple "discussion" and which has turned into a Game of "Debate ? Cool which side do I take ?" just throws up their hands in annoyance and/or disgust and says BALDERDASH and
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 9, 2018 19:35:10 GMT
Primemovermithrax Pejorative or post such a wall of words with so many twists and turns that the other party in what started out as a simple "discussion" and which has turned into a Game of "Debate ? Cool which side do I take ?" just throws up their hands in annoyance and/or disgust and says BALDERDASH and As I was saying....
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