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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 1:40:24 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Mar 10, 2018 1:42:17 GMT
I know Hitchcock said 'script' three times in a row as all you need for a movie. But unless you've a competent director at the helm, all you end up with is a stack of paper no one can act their way out of.
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Post by movielover on Mar 10, 2018 1:47:59 GMT
Good director, bad script.
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Post by petrolino on Mar 10, 2018 1:53:38 GMT
Good director.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 10, 2018 2:11:29 GMT
Director for me too, but I kinda wish I were a contrarian who voted for the opposite. It’s funny that we’re all voting pro-director, too, as for years it was the opposite; in “The Auteur Theory Revisited” (1977), for example, Sarris wrote: Now, I’m an auteurist, but it’s rather amusing how quickly we have gone from the “old Hollywood moguls’” position to our current auteurist one.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 10, 2018 2:30:39 GMT
Director
I think that's pretty much at the core of making a good movie overall.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 10, 2018 2:31:56 GMT
Director for me too, but I kinda wish I were a contrarian who voted for the opposite. Contrarian is in the room. A good director can improve a bad script-this is true. But a bad director cannot usually ruin a good script unless the actors, editor etc are really bad too. Since producers and other people can influence the creative decisions, I vote that writing remains more important than directing.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 10, 2018 2:32:53 GMT
Hooray for contrarians!  (I still do disagree, though.)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 10, 2018 2:33:51 GMT
I think a good script can save most direction since the story is almost always the reason for the movie.
There's a lot of good movies ruined by bad scripts.
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Post by movielover on Mar 10, 2018 2:42:22 GMT
Director for me too, but I kinda wish I were a contrarian who voted for the opposite. Contrarian is in the room. A good director can improve a bad script-this is true. But a bad director cannot usually ruin a good script unless the actors, editor etc are really bad too. Since producers and other people can influence the creative decisions, I vote that writing remains more important than directing. Keep in mind, however, the director shapes and molds the actors' performances. Furthermore, the actors do so many takes, and the director selects the takes he prefers. If the director is bad, he may choose the bad takes and leave the actors' good performances on the cutting room floor.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 10, 2018 2:54:38 GMT
Can anyone actually name examples of good scripts ruined with bad directors?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 10, 2018 2:54:54 GMT
Keep in mind, however, the director shapes and molds the actors' performances. Furthermore, the actors do so many takes, and the director selects the takes he prefers. If the director is bad, he may choose the bad takes and leave the actors' good performances on the cutting room floor. Sometimes they do. But it also depends what we mean by bad director. Maybe some examples would be in order. "The director is the most overrated artist in the world. He is the only artist who, with no talent whatsoever, can be a success for 50 years without his lack of talent ever being discovered." Orson Welles
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Post by Ban on Mar 10, 2018 2:58:02 GMT
idk. I guess it depends on the movie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 10, 2018 3:04:39 GMT
Can anyone actually name examples of good scripts ruined with bad directors? I can think of films where a producer-writer was the driving force in a film. I.e. Anthony Hinds aka John Elder. Producer and writer on Hammer films. Never the director. His voice is detectable in films even when it is directed by someone other than Terence Fisher. But in that case he hired competent directors-but they would be characterized as journeymen, not auteurs.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 10, 2018 3:08:09 GMT
21st century Spielberg actually has me thinking screenplay > director.
Lincoln was subject matter willing to do heavy lifting... & it was nothing more than a puff piece. Had someone written a tighter screenplay with a different director, I think it'd not be lost to history so soon.
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Post by Marv on Mar 10, 2018 3:13:25 GMT
Bad direction can ruin a good story. Take any number of book adaptations that were bombs as proof of that.
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Post by Marv on Mar 10, 2018 3:14:43 GMT
21st century Spielberg actually has me thinking screenplay > director. Lincoln was subject matter willing to do heavy lifting... & it was nothing more than a puff piece. Had someone written a tighter screenplay with a different director, I think it'd not be lost to history so soon. I had just attempted to watch Lincoln last week and I got about an hour into it. There’s just so much political dialog that I couldn’t maintain interest. But I’ll try and trudge through it.
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Post by movielover on Mar 10, 2018 3:16:06 GMT
Can anyone actually name examples of good scripts ruined with bad directors? Just off the top of my head, Murder in the First (1995) springs to mind. I found the story really interesting, but the director ruined the movie by constantly spinning the camera around dramatic courtroom scenes (like some Scorsese wannabe) which was really distracting. Also, there was too much sappy music, which if left out would've only helped the movie, in my opinion. Watching it, I kept thinking this could've been a good movie with a different director.
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Post by someguy on Mar 10, 2018 3:18:23 GMT
Bad director, good script. A film can be well directed, well acted, and well shot, but if the core story doesn't interest me, then I don't care.
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Post by Marv on Mar 10, 2018 3:22:40 GMT
Can anyone actually name examples of good scripts ruined with bad directors? The examples I think of...I don’t actually know what the script looked like...just that the source material was way better...and the source material should be the rough draft for any script. But the Last Airbender and World War Z were the two that came to mind. The latter I can’t as much blame the director because the novel would’ve never translated well to film, but imo it was a bad adaptation.
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