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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 14, 2018 5:02:39 GMT
THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948) - a terrific action adventure drama. while the script and direction are just great, enough praise cannot be showered upon the three lead actors. WALTER HUSTON owns this film. i dont think i have seen such an effortlessly brilliant performance in my life. the rich characterization certainly helps. WALTER HUSTONS's picaresque character HOWARD is what keeps the expedition going because without him the two hapless losers (HUMPHREY BOAGRT and TIM HOLT) would turn on each other.
i am sure the greed and sheer existential desperation of the characters inspired the directors of WAGES OF FEAR, SORCERER, APOCALYPSE NOW etc.
(9/10)
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 14, 2018 9:26:48 GMT
In my top ten list. The only negative I see in it is the music when they go through the jungle has a weird whimsical beat that seems inappropriate.
Otherwise, what a movie. Bogart's best role IMO.
"Well, first off, I'm goin' to a Turkish bath and I'm gonna sweat and soak till I get all the grime and dirt out of my system. Then I'm goin' to a haberdasher's and I'm gonna get myself a brand new set of duds...a dozen of everything. Then, I'm goin' to a swell cafe - order everything on the bill of fare, and if it ain't just right, or maybe even if it is, I'm gonna bawl the waiter out and make him take the whole thing back..."
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 14, 2018 11:08:37 GMT
What a great movie.
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Post by Lebowskidoo ππ·π on Mar 14, 2018 12:31:05 GMT
I haven't seen it in years, but it is memorably great.
Right now, I'm watching In Cold Blood. Robert Blake's character mentions The Treasure of the Sierra Madre twice. Robert Blake played the paperboy who sold Humphrey Bogart the lottery ticket in that movie. One would just assume that it was written as a nod to Blake, but it was already in the script from the start. Perry Smith, who Blake was portraying, told Truman Capote, the author, it was his favorite movie.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 14, 2018 15:27:29 GMT
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 14, 2018 15:57:18 GMT
One of the greatest movies ever. I have seen it more times than I can remember and I can watch it over and over.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 14, 2018 16:27:46 GMT
One of the greatest movies ever. I have seen it more times than I can remember and I can watch it over and over. Ditto !
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Mar 15, 2018 16:40:16 GMT
One of my favorite Bogart movies.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Mar 15, 2018 16:46:06 GMT
One of Bogie's greatest pictures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 19:15:44 GMT
I think I would rate this his second best picture next to The Maltese Falcon. Even better than Casablanca. And the best performance ever by Walter Huston.
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Post by snsurone on Mar 15, 2018 20:23:59 GMT
I heard that Walter Houston was none too pleased when his son John demanded that Walter play the part minus his dentures, LOL. But it worked out in the end, as they both won Oscars.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Mar 15, 2018 23:06:38 GMT
Bogey's best acting performance
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Post by petrolino on Mar 17, 2018 1:23:31 GMT
Top drawer Bogie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 17, 2018 6:01:11 GMT
As I said before I think it is his best role-or at least better than Casablanca as i think that is a very controlled, artificial kind of Bogie role with the soundtrack being used a lot to manipulate audience response.
I think in films like High Sierra, Maltese Falcon, and Sierra Madre he is showcasing his acting and personality better.
"Fred C Dobbs don't say nothing he don't mean."
"Three times thirty-five is a hundred and five. I'll bet ya a hundred and five thousand dollars you go to sleep before I do."
I listened to the LUX radio version last night-interesting as I think Huston kept his dentures on and he didn't sound so goofy. I read that Jack Warner told John Huston to tone it down because Walter Huston was acting too much like the star. I wonder if that is why they told him to take out his dentures.
BTW did anyone else notice how peaches were included into the story to contrast with gold? I liked that. The stuff with them describing the fruit harvest was meant to counter the solitary quest for minerals in the earth. I need to read the book....
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Post by outrider127 on Mar 17, 2018 6:18:27 GMT
Bogey's best acting performance Definitely--When Bogey saw the Bandits and knew they were going to kill him--Much better movie than Casablanca romantic claptrap--Treasure more downbeat than African Queen but its also more memorable
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Mar 17, 2018 6:21:42 GMT
Bogey's best acting performance Definitely--When Bogey saw the Bandits and knew they were going to kill him--Much better movie than Casablanca romantic claptrap--Treasure more downbeat than African Queen but its also more memorable I doesn't make my top 5 favorite Bogey movies
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 17, 2018 8:42:39 GMT
As I said before I think it is his best role-or at least better than Casablanca as i think that is a very controlled, artificial kind of Bogie role with the soundtrack being used a lot to manipulate audience response. I think in films like High Sierra, Maltese Falcon, and Sierra Madre he is showcasing his acting and personality better. "Fred C Dobbs don't say nothing he don't mean." "Three times thirty-five is a hundred and five. I'll bet ya a hundred and five thousand dollars you go to sleep before I do." I listened to the LUX radio version last night-interesting as I think Huston kept his dentures on and he didn't sound so goofy. I read that Jack Warner told John Huston to tone it down because Walter Huston was acting too much like the star. I wonder if that is why they told him to take out his dentures. BTW did anyone else notice how peaches were included into the story to contrast with gold? I liked that. The stuff with them describing the fruit harvest was meant to counter the solitary quest for minerals in the earth. I need to read the book.... some interesting stuff about the reclusive writer:
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 17, 2018 8:45:12 GMT
Bogey's best acting performance Definitely--When Bogey saw the Bandits and knew they were going to kill him--Much better movie than Casablanca romantic claptrap--Treasure more downbeat than African Queen but its also more memorable his death was a bit unremarkable. apparently huston shot a graphic scene but it was not used in the final film:
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 17, 2018 8:47:52 GMT
I haven't seen it in years, but it is memorably great. Right now, I'm watching In Cold Blood. Robert Blake's character mentions The Treasure of the Sierra Madre twice. Robert Blake played the paperboy who sold Humphrey Bogart the lottery ticket in that movie. One would just assume that it was written as a nod to Blake, but it was already in the script from the start. Perry Smith, who Blake was portraying, told Truman Capote, the author, it was his favorite movie. very interesting. thanks for sharing.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 23, 2018 6:47:35 GMT
Here's a review on IMDB that bugged me, especially for its criticism of old style acting.
HOW TIMES CHANGE (from 2000)
"I recently started re-viewing films with an eye toward earnest evaluation, as much for self-examination as anything. By selecting this film, I wanted to find something special. So it is with regret that I post a negative comment amidst a field of glowing praise. I can only think that the difference is that tastes have changed -- more, the bar has been raised. And that's sufficiently interesting to report. Why doesn't this movie work for me, and probably would have 35 years ago? (In fact, I think it did!)
What we have here is good acting by Howard and Gold Hat, a book as source with an adventurous theme for the time, and clear but not artistic cinematography. By today's standards, the sets are cheesy, Bogart's acting isn't real, and the story is scattered.
About Bogart's acting. This was right before Brando (and many since) changed our expectations of the art forever. I never lost the awareness that the lines were written (they were just too clean) and that Bogart was acting. His affect was never real. Imagine Harvey Keitel, or even Tony Hopkins in the role, and you'll see what I mean. We've evolved a completely different standard of acting. We seek more immediacy to the emotional bone, more intimacy with the soul. For that matter, look at the `modern' acting of John Huston in `Chinatown,' to see how thoroughly even he changed his ideas about acting.
About the story, can you imagine a scriptwriter today spending so much energy on events which neither advance the story nor increase definition of the characters? The real story setup is the `prisoner's dilemma' where what's best for an individual in a group trumps the best interests of the group (and hence all its members). Fairness fights paranoia. The lengthy prologue of being cheated could have -- with work -- supported this setup. But it doesn't! So many things could have been mutually supporting (like the letter to the wife, the rescue from the mine that wasn't really a rescue). But the standard of the era didn't require this. So the story appears scattered, unconnected to a contemporary audience.
I believe that the film continues to be ranked high based on rememberance that it DID work when new, that it WAS important in its time, and that we wish to honor a past that has passed. Oh, that and the `stinkin' badges.'
A classic is timeless. This film is not."
*** First of all, yes Howard and Gold Hat are great but it is unfair to compare them to Dobbs since he has the most screen time. We only get to see Gold Hat for a few scenes-how would it have been if he was in the film for almost 2 hours? Bogart has much more to do emotionally than Huston too. Huston is the wise old miner. He never wavers in that role. Similarly Holt remains the same from beginning to end. But Bogart has to go from beggar to miner to gold-crazy. Not a small undertaking. I actually would argue that we first see him he is the most convincing bum of the three. He talks like someone of a rough and limited educational background. Holt is just as theatrical, and Huston is reciting his lines with as much preparation.
I would love to make this bet. I would bet that if you had Bogart as Dobbs show up in a 1970s or 80s or 90s movie starring Keitel or Hopkins, audience members would be glued on Bogart, even if they never saw or heard him before.
What people mean by modern acting involves a more generous use of closeups and changes in sound engineering, as well as less forceful speaking. I think it has less to do with theatrical presentation and more to do with vocal strength. Bogart and Huston had a strong way of talking. Their voices projected.
I don't see what the reviewer means by John Huston's acting style in Chinatown. It doesn't appear out of sync with his appearance in Sierra Madre except that he is much older in Chinatown.
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