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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 19, 2018 2:29:07 GMT
I'm curious, what do you believe that links shows? Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES? Adjusted for inflation? NES sales were so high they might hold up even not adjusted for inflation. Wikipedia actually has a list of the units sold of each console: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Best-selling_game_consoles The only reason NES outsold SNES and N64 was by the time of the latter two Nintendo had competition from Sega (Genesis) and Sony (Playstation). |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 19, 2018 2:39:38 GMT
It does not however show any increase in new game sales. Game Stop for example continues to sell older systems and games as does Ebay, Amazon and other outlets. You do realize that there are no NEW NES games being sold, right? The only way to buy NES games is on the used market, and I doubt any of these links are taking into account used games sold in their stats. In fact, when I sold off all my old games years ago I found out what a lucrative used market there was. Sold a few I had for hundreds of dollars. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 19, 2018 2:44:58 GMT
I'm curious, what do you believe that links shows? Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES? Adjusted for inflation? NES sales were so high they might hold up even not adjusted for inflation. Do you have anything at all? At some point I'm not going to follow your links if you can't tell me in your own words what they mean and why they support your argument. Take a look at the NES "Classic," the remake of the original with 30 original games built it. Why do you suppose that happened? Because the other games were doing so well? I don't think so. They were trying to recapture that huge market they once had. Tell me do you read anything prior to making these wild claims? No. He just makes it up as he goes along and crosses his fingers that he's not wrong, or if he is nobody can prove it, or that even if they do prove it he can find his way to out-argue a dictionary and still convince himself he's right. Did you see his convoluted word dance after his equally ludicrous "no medical advances in the last 25 years" claim? |
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Post by gadreel on Mar 19, 2018 4:16:15 GMT
Tell me do you read anything prior to making these wild claims? No. He just makes it up as he goes along and crosses his fingers that he's not wrong, or if he is nobody can prove it, or that even if they do prove it he can find his way to out-argue a dictionary and still convince himself he's right. Did you see his convoluted word dance after his equally ludicrous "no medical advances in the last 25 years" claim? I found that one particularly hilarious as I work in health IT so am aware of the astounding rate of advancement in both fields. Yeah having to spell out what the link says was a bit strange too. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 20, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
I hate summer heat. But I get to perv at the hot girlies in skimpy attire.
I hate snow. But I like to walk through it thinking slimy shape shifting aliens are waiting under the ice to take people over.
First game system I had that wasn't shit was the Commodore 64.
My fave games were space horror game Project Firestart, and World War 3 submarine sim Red Storm Rising.
Worthy mentions: Gunship, Airborne Ranger, Raid Over Moscow
Amiga was cool.
Fave ones: The Secret of Monkey Island, and Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
Worthy mentions: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Team Yankee, It Came From the Desert, Sensible Soccer, Another World, Flashback, F-19 Stealth Fighter, Silent Service, Gunship 2000, F/A-18 Interceptor
PS1
Fave ones: Tomb Raider, Urban Chaos, Die Hard Trilogy, Fade to Black, Doom, Alien Trilogy, Worms
Worthy mentions: Crash Bandicoot
PS2
Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (I was in 80s heaven!), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (I even loved the poker machines), The Warriors, Bully (or Canis Canem Edit)
Worthy mentions: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
PSP
Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, Lego Star Wars 2: The Original Trilogy, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Batman
Worthy mentions: Call of Duty: Heroes something or other (I shoot Nazis, that is what is important), SOCOM Navy Seals blah blah (I shoot Russians and a bad Irishman), Heatseeker (like a low-rent Ace Combat, but quite fun)
PC
Faves: The Curse of Monkey Island, Delta Force, Soldier of Fortune (ho ho, is that a great one to act out murderous fantasies. You can blow off limbs, blast em until their intestines come out, you can mutilate corpses)
Worthy mentions: Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion (but damn, I get lost. I just kill everything that lives)
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Post by gadreel on Mar 20, 2018 18:18:22 GMT
I hate summer heat. But I get to perv at the hot girlies in skimpy attire. I hate snow. But I like to walk through it thinking slimy shape shifting aliens are waiting under the ice to take people over. First game system I had that wasn't shit was the Commodore 64. My fave games were space horror game Project Firestart, and World War 3 submarine sim Red Storm Rising. Worthy mentions: Gunship, Airborne Ranger, Raid Over Moscow Amiga was cool. Fave ones: The Secret of Monkey Island, and Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge Worthy mentions: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Team Yankee, It Came From the Desert, Sensible Soccer, Another World, Flashback, F-19 Stealth Fighter, Silent Service, Gunship 2000, F/A-18 Interceptor PS1 Fave ones: Tomb Raider, Urban Chaos, Die Hard Trilogy, Fade to Black, Doom, Alien Trilogy, Worms Worthy mentions: Crash Bandicoot PS2 Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (I was in 80s heaven!), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (I even loved the poker machines), The Warriors, Bully (or Canis Canem Edit) Worthy mentions: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance PSP Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, Lego Star Wars 2: The Original Trilogy, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Batman Worthy mentions: Call of Duty: Heroes something or other (I shoot Nazis, that is what is important), SOCOM Navy Seals blah blah (I shoot Russians and a bad Irishman), Heatseeker (like a low-rent Ace Combat, but quite fun) PC Faves: The Curse of Monkey Island, Delta Force, Soldier of Fortune (ho ho, is that a great one to act out murderous fantasies. You can blow off limbs, blast em until their intestines come out, you can mutilate corpses) Worthy mentions: Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion (but damn, I get lost. I just kill everything that lives) 😎 I must confess I am surprised you mention baldurs gate on the ps but not the pc, it was a much better game on the pc |
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 21, 2018 0:07:17 GMT
I hate summer heat. But I get to perv at the hot girlies in skimpy attire. I hate snow. But I like to walk through it thinking slimy shape shifting aliens are waiting under the ice to take people over. First game system I had that wasn't shit was the Commodore 64. My fave games were space horror game Project Firestart, and World War 3 submarine sim Red Storm Rising. Worthy mentions: Gunship, Airborne Ranger, Raid Over Moscow Amiga was cool. Fave ones: The Secret of Monkey Island, and Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge Worthy mentions: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Team Yankee, It Came From the Desert, Sensible Soccer, Another World, Flashback, F-19 Stealth Fighter, Silent Service, Gunship 2000, F/A-18 Interceptor PS1 Fave ones: Tomb Raider, Urban Chaos, Die Hard Trilogy, Fade to Black, Doom, Alien Trilogy, Worms Worthy mentions: Crash Bandicoot PS2 Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (I was in 80s heaven!), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (I even loved the poker machines), The Warriors, Bully (or Canis Canem Edit) Worthy mentions: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance PSP Fave ones: Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, Lego Star Wars 2: The Original Trilogy, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Batman Worthy mentions: Call of Duty: Heroes something or other (I shoot Nazis, that is what is important), SOCOM Navy Seals blah blah (I shoot Russians and a bad Irishman), Heatseeker (like a low-rent Ace Combat, but quite fun) PC Faves: The Curse of Monkey Island, Delta Force, Soldier of Fortune (ho ho, is that a great one to act out murderous fantasies. You can blow off limbs, blast em until their intestines come out, you can mutilate corpses) Worthy mentions: Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion (but damn, I get lost. I just kill everything that lives) 😎 I must confess I am surprised you mention baldurs gate on the ps but not the pc, it was a much better game on the pc Now I feel guilty for not playing it on the PC. 😞 The bro has it, maybe I can ask to "borrow" his PC for a few months. 😀 |
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Post by gadreel on Mar 21, 2018 1:14:56 GMT
I must confess I am surprised you mention baldurs gate on the ps but not the pc, it was a much better game on the pc Now I feel guilty for not playing it on the PC. 😞 The bro has it, maybe I can ask to "borrow" his PC for a few months. 😀 All three of them are brutally good on pc, baldurs gate, BG 2 and icewind dale |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 11:34:02 GMT
I'm curious, what do you believe that links shows? Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES? Adjusted for inflation? NES sales were so high they might hold up even not adjusted for inflation. Do you have anything at all? This image is prominent at the top of the page.  I see a peak about 1992-1994 after which it drops fairly steadily except for two peaks that include arcade games, those machines that take coins to run each game. I also see that is only in Japan with a totally different culture. Again you are making my arguments for me. Thanks, but why? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 11:45:38 GMT
I'm curious, what do you believe that links shows? Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES? Adjusted for inflation? NES sales were so high they might hold up even not adjusted for inflation. Do you have anything at all? At some point I'm not going to follow your links if you can't tell me in your own words what they mean and why they support your argument. Take a look at the NES "Classic," the remake of the original with 30 original games built it. Why do you suppose that happened? Because the other games were doing so well? I don't think so. They were trying to recapture that huge market they once had. The table at the bottom is your clue: 1982 42 Billion (adjusted for inflation) 2017 116 Billion NES is not even in the top 5 consoles. www.tekrevue.com/compared-the-best-selling-video-game-consoles-of-all-time/the reason they brought out the NES classic was so that people of my generation would be able to have a nostalgia kick. Precisely because video games do so well and now more than anticipated in the older demographics (as my generation grows up) they knew they would have a seller on their hands. They are trying to capture the market they once had, but to supplement the much larger profits they are already making on consoles. Tell me do you read anything prior to making these wild claims? I found data showing that the price of the individual new consoles was higher, but not that sales were higher. That means they could well have a few elite customers willing to pay more for the new consoles, but not enough customers to bring revenues to former heights. All of which I could have guessed. I did not find 42 vs. 116 billion even using "find" feature of browser. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 11:56:43 GMT
It does not however show any increase in new game sales. Game Stop for example continues to sell older systems and games as does Ebay, Amazon and other outlets. You do realize that there are no NEW NES games being sold, right? The only way to buy NES games is on the used market, and I doubt any of these links are taking into account used games sold in their stats. In fact, when I sold off all my old games years ago I found out what a lucrative used market there was. Sold a few I had for hundreds of dollars. I proceed on the assumption that if marketers could claim numbers do not include sales of used items they would. All your other data merely confirms what I said. See each reply. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 12:00:32 GMT
You do realize that there are no NEW NES games being sold, right? The only way to buy NES games is on the used market, and I doubt any of these links are taking into account used games sold in their stats. In fact, when I sold off all my old games years ago I found out what a lucrative used market there was. Sold a few I had for hundreds of dollars. I proceed on the assumption that if marketers could claim numbers do not include sales of used items they would. There's something wrong with this sentence... |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 12:01:44 GMT
I'm curious, what do you believe that links shows? Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES? Adjusted for inflation? NES sales were so high they might hold up even not adjusted for inflation. Wikipedia actually has a list of the units sold of each console: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Best-selling_game_consoles The only reason NES outsold SNES and N64 was by the time of the latter two Nintendo had competition from Sega (Genesis) and Sony (Playstation). Notice how old the top selling games are? There isn't a 2013 console till tenth down the list. Playstation 2, top of the list, is barely ahead of NES+SNES. SNES is down from NES. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 12:24:57 GMT
Notice how old the top selling games are? There isn't a 2013 console till tenth down the list. Playstation 2, top of the list, is barely ahead of NES+SNES. SNES is down from NES. Yet you would agree that many consoles have outsold the NES, yes? SNES is down from NES because former had serious competition from Sega, so you should really combine the sales of SNES and Genesis to get a better idea of sales from that generation. NES had no real competition; it made the Atari 5200 and ColecoVision look like jokes. Really, it's best if you look at the sales from each generation: Intellivision/Coleco/Atari/NES = 68 million Genesis/SNES = 80 million Playstation/Saturn/N64 = 155 million PS2/Xbox/Gamecube = 200 million Xbox360/Wii/PS3 = 270 million Hmmm, I see a clear trend here. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 12:42:38 GMT
Notice how old the top selling games are? There isn't a 2013 console till tenth down the list. Playstation 2, top of the list, is barely ahead of NES+SNES. SNES is down from NES. Yet you would agree that many consoles have outsold the NES, yes? SNES is down from NES because former had serious competition from Sega, so you should really combine the sales of SNES and Genesis to get a better idea of sales from that generation. NES had no real competition; it made the Atari 5200 and ColecoVision look like jokes. Really, it's best if you look at the sales from each generation: Intellivision/Coleco/Atari/NES = 68 million Genesis/SNES = 80 million Playstation/Saturn/N64 = 155 million PS2/Xbox/Gamecube = 200 million Xbox360/Wii/PS3 = 270 million Hmmm, I see a clear trend here. Another factor you don't seem to be considering is how many more people used NES. Playing NES games often dominated large family gatherings or was facilitated by large family gatherings. The later games might have more people buying them or at least paying a higher price for them, but use is way down. It is of course difficult to get accurate figures for the number of hours games are played, but using those figures I would win hands down. I notice that your data includes the number of cartridges made (unique games) for each console, but doesn't mention cartridge sales. There is a reason for that. You could guess it if you tried. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 25, 2018 1:46:56 GMT
Yet you would agree that many consoles have outsold the NES, yes? SNES is down from NES because former had serious competition from Sega, so you should really combine the sales of SNES and Genesis to get a better idea of sales from that generation. NES had no real competition; it made the Atari 5200 and ColecoVision look like jokes. Really, it's best if you look at the sales from each generation: Intellivision/Coleco/Atari/NES = 68 million Genesis/SNES = 80 million Playstation/Saturn/N64 = 155 million PS2/Xbox/Gamecube = 200 million Xbox360/Wii/PS3 = 270 million Hmmm, I see a clear trend here. Another factor you don't seem to be considering is how many more people used NES. Playing NES games often dominated large family gatherings or were facilitated by large family gatherings. The later games might have more people buying them or at least paying a higher price for them, but use is way down. It is of course difficult to get accurate figures for the number of hours games are played, but using those figures I would win hands down. I notice that your data includes the number of cartridges made for each console, but doesn't mention cartridge sales. There is a reason for that. You could guess it if you tried. There's those moving goalposts and asspulls again. Always good for a larf. Here's another fact you might be unaware of: newer games tend to be much LONGER. Go to YouTube and type in "longplays" or "walkthroughs" and explore older VS newer games. Older games were often beatable in less than an hour. Most newer games take at least 10+, and that's not even counting epic RPGs that could take dozens of hours--something that couldn't be done with the limitations of older systems. Now, the only offset to that is that older games tended to be more challenging, so it would take longer to complete them because you'd have to play certain levels over and over; but even at that they were beatable in a good weekend. It took me about a week to beat all three Ninja Gaidens, and those are infamously difficult. Compared to something like Ocarina of Time (N64) that probably took me a good month. Even speed runs of that game (where players try to complete them as fast as possible) take over 4 hours. Also, it clearly says units SOLD, not units MADE. |
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 3:45:07 GMT
Yet you would agree that many consoles have outsold the NES, yes? SNES is down from NES because former had serious competition from Sega, so you should really combine the sales of SNES and Genesis to get a better idea of sales from that generation. NES had no real competition; it made the Atari 5200 and ColecoVision look like jokes. Really, it's best if you look at the sales from each generation: Intellivision/Coleco/Atari/NES = 68 million Genesis/SNES = 80 million Playstation/Saturn/N64 = 155 million PS2/Xbox/Gamecube = 200 million Xbox360/Wii/PS3 = 270 million Hmmm, I see a clear trend here. Another factor you don't seem to be considering is how many more people used NES. Playing NES games often dominated large family gatherings or was facilitated by large family gatherings. The later games might have more people buying them or at least paying a higher price for them, but use is way down. It is of course difficult to get accurate figures for the number of hours games are played, but using those figures I would win hands down. I notice that your data includes the number of cartridges made (unique games) for each console, but doesn't mention cartridge sales. There is a reason for that. You could guess it if you tried. HUGE LULZ |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 10:24:49 GMT
Another factor you don't seem to be considering is how many more people used NES. Playing NES games often dominated large family gatherings or were facilitated by large family gatherings. The later games might have more people buying them or at least paying a higher price for them, but use is way down. It is of course difficult to get accurate figures for the number of hours games are played, but using those figures I would win hands down. I notice that your data includes the number of cartridges made for each console, but doesn't mention cartridge sales. There is a reason for that. You could guess it if you tried. There's those moving goalposts and asspulls again. Always good for a larf. Here's another fact you might be unaware of: newer games tend to be much LONGER. Go to YouTube and type in "longplays" or "walkthroughs" and explore older VS newer games. Older games were often beatable in less than an hour. Most newer games take at least 10+, and that's not even counting epic RPGs that could take dozens of hours--something that couldn't be done with the limitations of older systems. Now, the only offset to that is that older games tended to be more challenging, so it would take longer to complete them because you'd have to play certain levels over and over; but even at that they were beatable in a good weekend. It took me about a week to beat all three Ninja Gaidens, and those are infamously difficult. Compared to something like Ocarina of Time (N64) that probably took me a good month. Even speed runs of that game (where players try to complete them as fast as possible) take over 4 hours. Also, it clearly says units SOLD, not units MADE. I didn't move anything. I was not talking about the number consoles sold. I was talking about game cartridges sold. You have data on the number of unique games (unique cartridges) made for each console, not how many times each game sold. I don't have to "move any goalposts" because none of your data has challenged my initial claim in the least. Also it doesn't matter how much longer the games are if fewer people play them and the total number of hours thus falls dramatically. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 10:36:09 GMT
HUGE LULZ <comic goalpost moving video> Let's take a look at my original claim. So far none of your data even suggests I was wrong. You have large sales figures but it is not clear that they are for new game systems or cartridges. The clear data you do have shows a PS2 "peak," if you count consoles alone, and that is a much older game system anyway. "Popularity" as measured by total hours played has indeed gone steadily down. Edit > It is not really fair to count the PS2 as strictly a "game console" since it could also play DVD movies. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 26, 2018 1:32:19 GMT
There's those moving goalposts and asspulls again. Always good for a larf. Here's another fact you might be unaware of: newer games tend to be much LONGER. Go to YouTube and type in "longplays" or "walkthroughs" and explore older VS newer games. Older games were often beatable in less than an hour. Most newer games take at least 10+, and that's not even counting epic RPGs that could take dozens of hours--something that couldn't be done with the limitations of older systems. Now, the only offset to that is that older games tended to be more challenging, so it would take longer to complete them because you'd have to play certain levels over and over; but even at that they were beatable in a good weekend. It took me about a week to beat all three Ninja Gaidens, and those are infamously difficult. Compared to something like Ocarina of Time (N64) that probably took me a good month. Even speed runs of that game (where players try to complete them as fast as possible) take over 4 hours. Also, it clearly says units SOLD, not units MADE. I didn't move anything. I was not talking about the number consoles sold. I was talking about game cartridges sold. You have data on the number of unique games (unique cartridges) made for each console, not how many times each game sold. I don't have to "move any goalposts" because none of your data has challenged my initial claim in the least. Also it doesn't matter how much longer the games are if fewer people play them and the total number of hours thus falls dramatically. You were discussing both consoles sold and games sold. You mentioned consoles sold HERE: "Has any game system ever sold as much as Nintendo NES?" OK, but you just want to discuss video games sold. Well, that's a bit more difficult because I doubt there are any charts that break down how many games were sold with each system. However, we can look at a list of the best selling games of all time: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games 70% of the top 10 are 2000 or later. 90% of 11-20 are 2000 or later. 70% of 21-30 are 2000 or later. 70% of 31-40 are 2000 or later. 90% of 41-50 are 2000 or later. Total: 39/50 or nearly 80% of the top 50 best-selling games are from 2000 or later. I'd say that's pretty good evidence that later generation console games are selling better than the early ones. Again, your claim that fewer people are playing is a pure asspull. Do you really think they're manufacturing more consoles because less people are buying them and playing the games? You do realize how a business makes and loses money, yes? Buying more inventory than you sell is a good way to go out of business quickly. |
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