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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 20:46:47 GMT
tpfkar Whither If you had a good case and the right temperament, then there would be no call for "socially crippled", "undermedicated ass" or "murderous lunatic".  Which one are you contesting? And I'm quite good with a lay-it-out plain "temperament" that doesn't have me advocating the force-sterilization of all women, the forcing of women to terminate pregnancies, and the murder of countless, nor bawling constantly with deranged analogies an posed naked pics and the like.  On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"Certainly the last 2. The first one is just a cheap shot at my autism, which is a disability. And you have the same temperament with anyone who trenchantly disagrees with you, including accusing people of being paedophiles or sympathising with child molestors, as in this very thread.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 22:41:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 22:48:58 GMT
Right...so what drives your crusading zeal to the rescue mission to 'save' inanimate matter (whether in the form of unborn and unconceived hypothetical children, or the corpse of someone who was suffering from mental illness) from 'missing out'? No, it's the mandatory requirement to solve a set of problems that someone else thought you needed to solve, even though neither you nor the problems existed before some inconsiderate so-and-so thought they needed to come into being.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 22:50:49 GMT
tpfkar Most people fail at suicide because of their distraught, confused mental state and a problem with some state of affairs that leaves them ambivalent underneath all of the raw emotion overriding any clear thinking. Or the narcissistic acting out. And I've learned about your emotion-links like the posed naked "torture" pics of southeast Asians or youtube videos of ranting cranks. Kind inevitable with your and Erj's kind of posting. Also like most you link, it's irrelevant, of course. Nobody is debating that some people maim themselves while distraught, regardless of your "carried out the act correctly and planned properly" most silly nonsense. And I don't have a political sickly daydream driving me, highly morbid or otherwise, only an understanding that those suffering should have their symptoms and illnesses treated, as aggressively as needed -just as I'd want done for me in such a state- and not sacrificed at the styrofoam altars of the tiny number of impotent crazies' worship of universal death. Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.The young man in my link did everything right that he could have, considering that he lived with his parents. He would have successfully died if not for the fact that his mother thought it was unusual that he would have left the house at night and called the police based on the fact that he had borderline personality disorder. He wasn't 'saved' because he chose an ineffective method or failed to execute it correctly, and prior to the hanging he had been attending college and was at the top of his class (thus further attesting to the fact that he wasn't 'confused' or unable to think straight). Nobody would try to kill themselves in the way that he did if they didn't fully intend to die. Nobody is saying that you shouldn't be entitled to crisis care which is in alignment with your atavistic philosophical beliefs; the only point that I'm arguing is that I should be entitled to access care which is aligned with my philosophical beliefs, which I'm capable of expressing lucidly and coherently. As far as I'm concerned, you should even have the right to sign a form to waive any rights that you have over your own body in the event that you end up being persuaded by the 'wrong' philosophical beliefs later in life, or you are unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of some of the most brutal harms of which you've been so dismissive when suffered by others. What you're arguing for is for me not to have the right to invest my own welfare and bodily integrity in my own philosophical convictions. This is a violation of the separation of church and state, because the government should not be allowed to dictate what philosophical or religious beliefs people are allowed to invest their own welfare in. No innocent 'vulnerable' party is harmed by me (or anyone like me) giving a lucid and coherent account of what I think life means and I why I think that it would be rational to end my existence, then being administered with a lethal dose of Nembutal. Nice novel, but still riddled with Death Cult utter horsesh!t, starting with the patent nonsense of how he "did everything right that he could have" and ending with the last line with patent psychopathic crazies being provided deadly poisons or out right being put down instead of treating their mental disease. Violence in this case would be the imposition of needs, wants and the potential for suffering by way of the creation of new life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 22:56:18 GMT
tpfkar The young man in my link did everything right that he could have, considering that he lived with his parents. He would have successfully died if not for the fact that his mother thought it was unusual that he would have left the house at night and called the police based on the fact that he had borderline personality disorder. He wasn't 'saved' because he chose an ineffective method or failed to execute it correctly, and prior to the hanging he had been attending college and was at the top of his class (thus further attesting to the fact that he wasn't 'confused' or unable to think straight). Nobody would try to kill themselves in the way that he did if they didn't fully intend to die. Nobody is saying that you shouldn't be entitled to crisis care which is in alignment with your atavistic philosophical beliefs; the only point that I'm arguing is that I should be entitled to access care which is aligned with my philosophical beliefs, which I'm capable of expressing lucidly and coherently. As far as I'm concerned, you should even have the right to sign a form to waive any rights that you have over your own body in the event that you end up being persuaded by the 'wrong' philosophical beliefs later in life, or you are unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of some of the most brutal harms of which you've been so dismissive when suffered by others. What you're arguing for is for me not to have the right to invest my own welfare and bodily integrity in my own philosophical convictions. This is a violation of the separation of church and state, because the government should not be allowed to dictate what philosophical or religious beliefs people are allowed to invest their own welfare in. No innocent 'vulnerable' party is harmed by me (or anyone like me) giving a lucid and coherent account of what I think life means and I why I think that it would be rational to end my existence, then being administered with a lethal dose of Nembutal. Nice novel, but still riddled with Death Cult utter horsesh!t, starting with the patent nonsense of how he "did everything right that he could have" and ending with the last line with patent psychopathic crazies being provided deadly poisons or out right being put down instead of treating their mental disease. Violence in this case would be the imposition of needs, wants and the potential for suffering by way of the creation of new life.So read the article linked and tell me what did he do wrong that betrays mental incompetence and lack of genuine desire to die. www.thesun.co.uk/news/4770297/pembrokeshire-man-suicide-borderline-personality-disorder-gofundme/And personally insulting someone isn't a justification for why they should not have drugs for their own personal usage which, if necessary, they can be supervised whilst using and not allowed to remove the drug from the premises.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 23:00:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 23:07:23 GMT
I don't hate everyone and everything. And you only post hateful messages on here as well and when you're arguing against hate, you try to fight hatred with hatred. You also seem to spend every waking hour posting on this forum, peddling hatred and sowing conflict, which seems to belie your rhapsodies about the wonders of life and love for the human race. I'm normally rather polite to everyone with whom I share exchanges, and maintain a calm demeanor. I'm not standing up for anybody, merely seeking to illustrate the fact that you struggle to have a civil disagreement with anybody. And as for the medication quip, what specific medications would you suggest, and to ameliorate what specific medical condition? Wanting to fight to end a harmful and inequitable system is not "murderous". I have no homicidal impulses.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 23:08:41 GMT
tpfkar Right...so what drives your crusading zeal to the rescue mission to 'save' inanimate matter (whether in the form of unborn and unconceived hypothetical children, or the corpse of someone who was suffering from mental illness) from 'missing out'? No, it's the mandatory requirement to solve a set of problems that someone else thought you needed to solve, even though neither you nor the problems existed before some inconsiderate so-and-so thought they needed to come into being. That's all your febrile hyper-religious deranged mind talking.  Nobody but you is taking about "saving" nonexistent. Just the blasts we're going to keep on having and promoting, until we're dirt, each in our turn. Regardless of the ranting religious psychos who can't not think in terms of "saviors", murderous AI or otherwise. Objective as in existing outside of minds, or objective as in unbiased and universal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 23:12:54 GMT
tpfkar Right...so what drives your crusading zeal to the rescue mission to 'save' inanimate matter (whether in the form of unborn and unconceived hypothetical children, or the corpse of someone who was suffering from mental illness) from 'missing out'? No, it's the mandatory requirement to solve a set of problems that someone else thought you needed to solve, even though neither you nor the problems existed before some inconsiderate so-and-so thought they needed to come into being. That's all your febrile hyper-religious deranged mind talking.  Nobody but you is taking about "saving" nonexistent. Just the blasts we're going to keep on having and promoting, until we're dirt, each in our turn. Regardless of the ranting religious psychos who can't not think in terms of "saviors", murderous AI or otherwise. Objective as in existing outside of minds, or objective as in unbiased and universal.You want to deny people the right to assisted suicide in order to save them from transitioning to unharmable inanimate matter and 'missing out' on their long shot of a 'recovery'.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 23:19:15 GMT
tpfkar I don't hate everyone and everything. And you only post hateful messages on here as well and when you're arguing against hate, you try to fight hatred with hatred. You also seem to spend every waking hour posting on this forum, peddling hatred and sowing conflict, which seems to belie your rhapsodies about the wonders of life and love for the human race. I'm normally rather polite to everyone with whom I share exchanges, and maintain a calm demeanor. I'm not standing up for anybody, merely seeking to illustrate the fact that you struggle to have a civil disagreement with anybody. And as for the medication quip, what specific medications would you suggest, and to ameliorate what specific medical condition? Riiiight, you just want to utterly abuse and kill them all. That wonderful religious Love™. And again, you can have your "hate" and your comical face-planting grammar hissy fits and whatever other lunatic Orwellianisms you want to post, but if you're expecting the content of your psychotic words to not be highlighted, you're just going to be teary and "irritated" forever.  And I'd suggest any pro-grammar, anti-hissyfit, dryaway tears, and anti- shattered homicidal ultra-religious thinking medications that are available. On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 23:30:19 GMT
tpfkar I don't hate everyone and everything. And you only post hateful messages on here as well and when you're arguing against hate, you try to fight hatred with hatred. You also seem to spend every waking hour posting on this forum, peddling hatred and sowing conflict, which seems to belie your rhapsodies about the wonders of life and love for the human race. I'm normally rather polite to everyone with whom I share exchanges, and maintain a calm demeanor. I'm not standing up for anybody, merely seeking to illustrate the fact that you struggle to have a civil disagreement with anybody. And as for the medication quip, what specific medications would you suggest, and to ameliorate what specific medical condition? Riiiight, you just want to utterly abuse and kill them all. That wonderful religious Love™. And again, you can have your "hate" and your comical face-planting grammar hissy fits and whatever other lunatic Orwellianisms you want to post, but if you're expecting the content of your psychotic words to not be highlighted, you're just going to be teary and "irritated" forever.  And I'd suggest any pro-grammar, anti-hissyfit, dryaway tears, and anti- shattered homicidal ultra-religious thinking medications that are available. On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"I don't want to abuse anyone ('utterly' or otherwise), and I don't want anyone killed either. What I want is to prevent people from creating more need machines to be harmed. In terms of demeanour, you come across as far more hateful than me. Nobody's blocked me because I follow them around with hateful insults; as far as I've been told, anyway. You claim that humanity is a wonderous and miraculous collective; but yet your interactions on this board betray that just about everyone you have judged guilty of some unforgivable thought crime or other which renders them beyond the pale, in your eyes. So who and where are all these wonderful and pure humans, innocent of all thought crime, about whose virtues you are rhapsodising?
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 23:31:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 23:36:17 GMT
And even when that approach has been tried for 30 years and the doctors can't make any more suggestions for therapeutic interventions, you still want to keep trying all the things that have failed. And all because you can't come to grips with your own mortality and the fundamental futility of life itself.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 17, 2018 23:41:51 GMT
tpfkar Riiiight, you just want to utterly abuse and kill them all. That wonderful religious Love™. And again, you can have your "hate" and your comical face-planting grammar hissy fits and whatever other lunatic Orwellianisms you want to post, but if you're expecting the content of your psychotic words to not be highlighted, you're just going to be teary and "irritated" forever.  And I'd suggest any pro-grammar, anti-hissyfit, dryaway tears, and anti- shattered homicidal ultra-religious thinking medications that are available. On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"I don't want to abuse anyone ('utterly' or otherwise), and I don't want anyone killed either. What I want is to prevent people from creating more need machines to be harmed. In terms of demeanour, you come across as far more hateful than me. Nobody's blocked me because I follow them around with hateful insults; as far as I've been told, anyway. You claim that humanity is a wonderous and miraculous collective; but yet your interactions on this board betray that just about everyone has committed some thought crime or other which renders them beyond the pale, in your eyes. So who and where are all these wonderful and pure humans, innocent of all thought crime, about whose virtues you are rhapsodising?  Right, you don't want to abuse anybody you just want to force-sterilize them and force-terminate their pregnancies, and you don't want to kill anybody, you just want to nuke or poison the world. There's that psychotically murderous shattered thinking on display again.  And I don't care about your teary moans of "hate", I'm just going to keep cutting through the utter horsesh!t and highlighting you freaks' own advocacies, whether that makes homicidal Eeyore any sadder or not. And your babbles on "thought crime" are more babbled hilarity; what's your sentence? And I'll start with those not after the kids' bits, the ladies' uteruses, and just peoples' lives. Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 0:27:15 GMT
tpfkar I don't want to abuse anyone ('utterly' or otherwise), and I don't want anyone killed either. What I want is to prevent people from creating more need machines to be harmed. In terms of demeanour, you come across as far more hateful than me. Nobody's blocked me because I follow them around with hateful insults; as far as I've been told, anyway. You claim that humanity is a wonderous and miraculous collective; but yet your interactions on this board betray that just about everyone has committed some thought crime or other which renders them beyond the pale, in your eyes. So who and where are all these wonderful and pure humans, innocent of all thought crime, about whose virtues you are rhapsodising?  Right, you don't want to abuse anybody you just want to force-sterilize them and force-terminate their pregnancies, and you don't want to kill anybody, you just want to nuke or poison the world. There's that psychotically murderous shattered thinking on display again.  And I don't care about your teary moans of "hate", I'm just going to keep cutting through the utter horsesh!t and highlighting you freaks' own advocacies, whether that makes homicidal Eeyore any sadder or not. And your babbles on "thought crime" are more babbled hilarity; what's your sentence? And I'll start with those not after the kids' bits, the ladies' uteruses, and just peoples' lives. Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.None of that stuff is an end unto itself. Countries don't usually go to war for the express purpose of killing and maiming as many innocent civilians as possible. The fact that innocent people get killed is usually undesirable but necessary collateral damage towards obtaining a greater good (I'm not saying that I am pro-war, just using this as an example). I want to do whatever is necessary to end the cycle of harm and imposition, because the harm that would be caused in ending it would be as nothing compared to the devastation that would ensue from failing to do so. And I'm not perturbed by being vilified by a person on the Internet. There are more than enough real things to be worried about in the world. Also, if you actually started to assess the beliefs and actions of the majority of the world's population, you'd find that the large majority of them have committed an unforgivable thought crime (by your reckonings) and a sizeable chunk of them are doing very real and very deliberate harm to others.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 18, 2018 0:28:40 GMT
tpfkar And even when that approach has been tried for 30 years and the doctors can't make any more suggestions for therapeutic interventions, you still want to keep trying all the things that have failed. And all because you can't come to grips with your own mortality and the fundamental futility of life itself. You're as ever utterly full of it; nothing has stood still for 30 years. In any case, just killing them in their distraught state/derangement/delusion even if you have to hold them down while they fight against it, all on the back of the Universal Death Cult, will never be a sane response. And I'm good with my mortality regardless of how obsessed you are. Gettin' it and helping others get it until we're dirt is it, and what a grand a thing it is.  Objective as in existing outside of minds, or objective as in unbiased and universal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 0:38:36 GMT
tpfkar And even when that approach has been tried for 30 years and the doctors can't make any more suggestions for therapeutic interventions, you still want to keep trying all the things that have failed. And all because you can't come to grips with your own mortality and the fundamental futility of life itself. You're as ever utterly full of it; nothing has stood still for 30 years. In any case, just killing them in their distraught state/derangement/delusion even if you have to hold them down while they fight against it, all on the back of the Universal Death Cult, will never be a sane response. And I'm good with my mortality regardless of how obsessed you are. Gettin' it and helping others get it until we're dirt is it, and what a grand a thing it is.  Objective as in existing outside of minds, or objective as in unbiased and universal.The annals of psychiatry are filled with cases of people who have been afflicted with severe mental illness over the course of decades. In your view, the option of just ceasing to exist is somehow worse than having to go on indefinitely in that condition, even though you have likely never experienced what they are feeling and have no rational reason to think that death is a bad option.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 18, 2018 0:38:46 GMT
tpfkar  Right, you don't want to abuse anybody you just want to force-sterilize them and force-terminate their pregnancies, and you don't want to kill anybody, you just want to nuke or poison the world. There's that psychotically murderous shattered thinking on display again.  And I don't care about your teary moans of "hate", I'm just going to keep cutting through the utter horsesh!t and highlighting you freaks' own advocacies, whether that makes homicidal Eeyore any sadder or not. And your babbles on "thought crime" are more babbled hilarity; what's your sentence? And I'll start with those not after the kids' bits, the ladies' uteruses, and just peoples' lives. Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.None of that stuff is an end unto itself. Countries don't usually go to war for the express purpose of killing and maiming as many innocent civilians as possible. The fact that innocent people get killed is usually undesirable but necessary collateral damage towards obtaining a greater good (I'm not saying that I am pro-war, just using this as an example). I want to do whatever is necessary to end the cycle of harm and imposition, because the harm that would be caused in ending it would be as nothing compared to the devastation that would ensue from failing to do so. And I'm not perturbed by being vilified by a person on the Internet. There are more than enough real things to be worried about in the world. Also, if you actually started to assess the beliefs and actions of the majority of the world's population, you'd find that the large majority of them have committed an unforgivable thought crime (by your reckonings) and a sizeable chunk of them are doing very real and very deliberate harm to others. I feel so much better that you have your Universal Death Cult to drive your repugnant female abuse / homicidal mania, that makes it all right then.  And keep on being "not perturbed" while continually wailing insane on "hate" (oh the drama) and "thought crime"s.  Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 18, 2018 1:43:50 GMT
So once again, you can't answer the question of what expert consensus you consulted (or was "promulgated") that you based your opinion on. All you can do is lie and accuse me of being a pedo. Gotcha.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 18, 2018 2:07:30 GMT
So once again, you can't answer the question of what expert consensus you consulted (or was "promulgated") that you based your opinion on. All you can do is lie and accuse me of being a pedo. Gotcha. No of course, in your kiddie-fidlin' pursuits you arse-asserted that aversion to it was variously "moral outrage", "Puritanism", and then "xenophobia".  To which the response to your persecuted-yet-hopeful line was why that and not the obvious that kids aren't looking to have their parts "loved" on by you guys and need to just be able to grow up unmolested and of course the promulgated expert opinion on the matter. As in had been disseminated via media, teachers, in laws, what not, and not something that people are blanks on and then have to go consult Random J. Expert, who according to you is going to be "biased" against you anyway.  And I know you think "gotcha", but it's just going to getcha incarcerated or put down if you act upon it.  Eva Yojimbo: Well, the "conceivable way it could be worth it" is if the experts were wrong, and there are always conceivable ways that experts could be wrong. I'll give you one obvious way in which experts come to be wrong: their own experiences biases them. By that I mean experts in certain fields, like psychology, would only end up seeing people that were damaged by pedophile experiences; they wouldn't necessarily see those who weren't damaged or who considered their experiences positive.
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