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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 13, 2017 15:31:22 GMT
Nothing. I just decided to add the 10 Names which were on the list, from the website. Got it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:05:31 GMT
well that was just tricky of you.. :/ who the heck knows what HaShem means? and your list btw sorry not sorry What was so tricky about my list? Just because a lot of people didn't know that is how Jewish people address God is no reason not to include the Title on the list. Should I have just written down "God?" But, all these other Names are God too. Allah Is God. Ahura Mazda Is God. Gitche Manitous Is God, etc. And just what is wrong with my list? Just that I have no idea what any of them are lol I'm not like mad or anything I just don't have much knowledge about many religions so I can't relate to it that's all
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Post by clusium on Mar 13, 2017 19:08:22 GMT
What was so tricky about my list? Just because a lot of people didn't know that is how Jewish people address God is no reason not to include the Title on the list. Should I have just written down "God?" But, all these other Names are God too. Allah Is God. Ahura Mazda Is God. Gitche Manitous Is God, etc. And just what is wrong with my list? Just that I have no idea what any of them are lol I'm not like mad or anything I just don't have much knowledge about many religions so I can't relate to it that's all Cool, I understand now. Thanks.
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Post by clusium on Mar 14, 2017 23:25:45 GMT
HaShem is the Title which Jewish people address God by. So, He Is on the list. I'm not Jewish Nor do I believe you are Muslim either, but, I'm pretty sure you know that Allah is the Muslim name for God.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2017 1:50:39 GMT
Nor do I believe you are Muslim either, but, I'm pretty sure you know that Allah is the Muslim name for God. Allah is not Yahweh so I have no reason to interchange the two.
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Post by clusium on Mar 15, 2017 3:04:36 GMT
Nor do I believe you are Muslim either, but, I'm pretty sure you know that Allah is the Muslim name for God. Allah is not Yahweh so I have no reason to interchange the two. But, you know Who Allah is, though.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2017 3:53:13 GMT
Allah is not Yahweh so I have no reason to interchange the two. But, you know Who Allah is, though. I never said I didn't. He is not the continuation of Yahweh
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Post by awhina on Mar 15, 2017 9:20:41 GMT
Me too!
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Post by awhina on Mar 15, 2017 9:23:08 GMT
Odin. Except he didn't. Not until after the end of all things.
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Post by awhina on Mar 15, 2017 9:27:37 GMT
Nor do I believe you are Muslim either, but, I'm pretty sure you know that Allah is the Muslim name for God. Allah is not Yahweh so I have no reason to interchange the two. Actually he is. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, used by Lebanese Christians for example. Just as Dio is the Italian word and Dieu the French word.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2017 13:34:21 GMT
Allah is not Yahweh so I have no reason to interchange the two. Actually he is. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, used by Lebanese Christians for example. Just as Dio is the Italian word and Dieu the French word. Allah is more than a word. He is a concept adopted by Muslim teaching which I do not follow.
The big problem is the notion that God is a proper name when it's not and thus it's hard to understand the notion that Allah as followed by Islam is not Yahweh/Jehovah that is followed by Christians & Jews.
That's not a knock on Muslims since I would be surprised if they didn't agree that Islam is different from Judaism or Christianity.
If God & Allah equate to the same thing grammatically, they certainly don't contextually.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 15, 2017 15:32:22 GMT
Of those I think it has to be Vishnu or Shiva.
- Jesus is part of a Trinitarian godhead and so is limited. He is also supposedly separate from the world. - Ganesha is generally not considered the Supreme, even by people who worship him. Within mythology he is often subordinate to Shiva. Within Smarta, he is considered no greater than the other 4 gods. - HaShem/Allah - both are considered to be separate entities from the material world - The Buddha - technically not a god - Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu - Ahura Mazda is not all powerful since Ahriman is his equal and opposite - Admittedly I don't know much about Manitou
With Shiva and Vishnu, depending on what kind of Hindu you talk to, they are often identified with Brahman which is the ultimate reality. The Abrahamic religions suppose there is reality that is dependent on but separate from God which to me makes the Abrahamic god lesser than Brahman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:46:48 GMT
Dennis Reynolds: The GOLDEN God
Add my name to the list, lest I become untethered. Fear that, for my rage knows no bounds.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 15, 2017 15:55:32 GMT
If God & Allah equate to the same thing grammatically, they certainly don't contextually. But contextually, Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim to worship the God of Abraham, no?
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Post by clusium on Mar 15, 2017 16:01:20 GMT
Dennis Reynolds: The GOLDEN God Add my name to the list, lest I become untethered. Fear that, for my rage knows no bounds.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2017 16:01:36 GMT
If God & Allah equate to the same thing grammatically, they certainly don't contextually. But contextually, Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim to worship the God of Abraham, no? No, that isn't contextual.
That is basically.
For lack of a better phrase, the devil is in the details.
This is even the case among Christian faiths. For example, I do not believe in the Trinitarian god which is why I can't pick Jesus.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 15, 2017 16:50:11 GMT
Would you say that Unitarian Christians and Trinitarian Christians worship different Gods then?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2017 17:19:52 GMT
Would you say that Unitarian Christians and Trinitarian Christians worship different Gods then? I'm not sure.
What I'm saying is that God known as Yahweh/Jehovah/Jah in the Bible does not teach the same thing as Islam although it may teach the same as Judaism.
Most religions add various tenets to what is in Scripture and whether I follow them is directly related to what God did in Scripture and whether it contradicts it.
I do not think trinity is a Bible teaching so I tend to reject churches that champion it.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 15, 2017 23:13:12 GMT
Fair enough
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 15, 2017 23:30:52 GMT
Of those I think it has to be Vishnu or Shiva. - Jesus is part of a Trinitarian godhead and so is limited. He is also supposedly separate from the world. - Ganesha is generally not considered the Supreme, even by people who worship him. Within mythology he is often subordinate to Shiva. Within Smarta, he is considered no greater than the other 4 gods. - HaShem/Allah - both are considered to be separate entities from the material world - The Buddha - technically not a god - Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu - Ahura Mazda is not all powerful since Ahriman is his equal and opposite - Admittedly I don't know much about Manitou With Shiva and Vishnu, depending on what kind of Hindu you talk to, they are often identified with Brahman which is the ultimate reality. The Abrahamic religions suppose there is reality that is dependent on but separate from God which to me makes the Abrahamic god lesser than Brahman. I will say that Vishnu is considered same as Brahman but not in sense as how Advaita vedanta defines Brahman. Only Shiva is considered Brahman in that sense. Of the two major forms of Vaishnavism, 1. In Vishishtadvaita Vedanta of Sri Ramanujacharya , Goddess Lakshmi is also considered an unborn entity so that would hinder Vishnu from being the only reality. Yes, you could say that Vishnu is greatest in the sense that goddess Lakshmi is not considered flawless entity and can't provide Moskha to souls. 2. In Dwaita school of Vedanta, Vishnu is inherently different from all the rest of entities. Vishnu does not create the other entities. The other entities or Atmans are also eternal. It's just that they need Vishnu for liberation and to get away from suffering. According to Dvaita vedanta of Madhvacharya, there are infinite atmans and they don't become Vishnu after moksha but merely share some of his characteristics but not all of his characteristics. That is in contrast to Advaita or pure Shaivism that states there is only one Brahman/Soul/Shiva that exists. The souls are ultimately Brahman but they just don't realise that until they are under the influence of Maya. Apart from Advaita Vedanta, only the Kashmir Shavism and Nath school of Shaivism maintain that Shiva and Brahman are same and ultimately everyone becomes Shiva. Vaishnavite schools never fully equate others souls with Vishnu. PS - The Hare krishna school considers Krishna as the ultimate god and Vishnu as being his avatar. I know it defies all the main texts of Hinduism but that is how it is.
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