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Post by NJtoTX on Mar 12, 2017 17:36:06 GMT
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Post by NJtoTX on Mar 12, 2017 17:37:38 GMT
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Post by THawk on Mar 12, 2017 18:44:08 GMT
And what would be the argument here? That female writers are writing just as good screenplays as their male counterparts, that given the right circumstances would be just as successful films, but because Hollywood is conservative (?!?) or misogynist or something of the sort, they say "no thanks, we don't like women, so we'll go with the males instead" ?
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Post by medjay on Mar 12, 2017 18:57:48 GMT
I bet the number would higher but not by much if people would not hate telling women that they want to change the direction of a movie, take the movie away from the filmmaker etc...
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 12, 2017 19:02:13 GMT
And what would be the argument here? That female writers are writing just as good screenplays as their male counterparts, that given the right circumstances would be just as successful films, but because Hollywood is conservative (?!?) or misogynist or something of the sort, they say "no thanks, we don't like women, so we'll go with the males instead" ? Yep, apparently Hollywood is extremely Liberal and progressive but Sexist and racist at the same time, Its also more diverse than any other film industry on Earth but needs to do much much more to be diverse, oh and BTW nobody says anything about the other film industries that have basically no diversity, these idiots can't even keep their story straight, they are all over the place. |
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Post by THawk on Apr 15, 2017 23:53:37 GMT
And what would be the argument here? That female writers are writing just as good screenplays as their male counterparts, that given the right circumstances would be just as successful films, but because Hollywood is conservative (?!?) or misogynist or something of the sort, they say "no thanks, we don't like women, so we'll go with the males instead" ? Yes. It happens all the time in America. Women do better in other countries. The question is not "America," it's Hollywood, the top production studios. There are plenty of American female directors outside the big budget studios. |
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Post by THawk on Apr 16, 2017 0:24:41 GMT
The question is not "America," it's Hollywood, the top production studios. There are plenty of American female directors outside the big budget studios. First of all, the thread is about wide release Studio productions. Secondarily, only 6.4% of Directors Guild member directors are women (dropping to 3% for major box-office titles), and most of the indie directors become DGA members, if not when they make their first film, then generally by their second. The simple truth is that it is far more difficult for a woman to have and maintain a directing career in America than it is for a man. This link verifies the facts as of 2013/14 (and I can assure you it will not have changed much, if at all, in the last two plus years): www.dga.org/News/PressReleases/2015/151209-DGA-Publishes-Inaugural-Feature-Film-Diversity-Report.aspx ..yeah, wide release Studio productions is Hollywood. I am not aware of whether all female directors, regardless of budget, automatically become DGA members (if not, I don't know what the point of your statistic is?) but regardless, that does not provide evidence that producers are turning away female directors who they feel will make them a great profit because "they just don't like women." Producers and studios are interested in one thing - money. If the argument is that sexism trumps their desire for financial profit....well that's a totally unfounded, unproven argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 1:19:07 GMT
One of my top 10 favorite films of all time is "Lost in Translation" by Sofia Coppla
One of my top 25 films of all time is "Big" by Penny Marshall.
So that's at least 1/12 of my top 25 favorite films directed by a female. I can't really think of another one.
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 16, 2017 1:43:30 GMT
This tells us that directing mainstream movies is like basketball. Men are just better at it than women, and that's fine.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 2:35:30 GMT
This tells us that directing mainstream movies is like basketball. Men are just better at it than women, and that's fine. Yes because directing a movie is on par with dribbling a rubber ball on a flat surface. |
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 16, 2017 2:45:18 GMT
This tells us that directing mainstream movies is like basketball. Men are just better at it than women, and that's fine. Yes because directing a movie is on par with dribbling a rubber ball on a flat surface. Nope, two completely different skills, yet men happen to be better than women at both. Nothing wrong with noticing this reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 3:00:24 GMT
This tells us that directing mainstream movies is like basketball. Men are just better at it than women, and that's fine. The truth is harsh. Men are genetically predispositioned to have better leadership skills, it's just the truth. There is a reason men ruled the world for 10,000 years of human history. Women are naturally help-mates. Look at the animal kingdom... It's just the way it is. So heading a project such as directing a film is naturally more easy for men. There are always outliers in any bell curve, so you often have women who fit into the male role and men who fit into the female role, but it's a small minority. That's why the greatest Women's Basketball coach of all time is a man (UConn). |
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 3:47:25 GMT
This tells us that directing mainstream movies is like basketball. Men are just better at it than women, and that's fine. The truth is harsh. Men are genetically predispositioned to have better leadership skills, it's just the truth. There is a reason men ruled the world for 10,000 years of human history. Women are naturally help-mates. Look at the animal kingdom... It's just the way it is. So heading a project such as directing a film is naturally more easy for men. There are always outliers in any bell curve, so you often have women who fit into the male role and men who fit into the female role, but it's a small minority. That's why the greatest Women's Basketball coach of all time is a man (UConn). Yea the end result of that 10,000 years being international chaos. |
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 16, 2017 4:45:15 GMT
Yea the end result of that 10,000 years being international chaos. Oh, I'm sure there would be world peace and zero international conflict if women were running things. Right? |
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Post by misstique on Apr 16, 2017 5:53:11 GMT
Anyone ever thought that perhaps.... perhaps many women just don't want to be directors? As opposed to the common theory that there are a million women directors not getting hired by big studios because they are women.
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Post by THawk on Apr 16, 2017 9:54:32 GMT
Anyone ever thought that perhaps.... perhaps many women just don't want to be directors? As opposed to the common theory that there are a million women directors not getting hired by big studios because they are women. Yep, this is pretty much the truth of the matter. There are also millions, millions more cricket players in India than in US....doesn't mean there is some kind of oppression of cricketers going on in America. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:19:37 GMT
The truth is harsh. Men are genetically predispositioned to have better leadership skills, it's just the truth. There is a reason men ruled the world for 10,000 years of human history. Women are naturally help-mates. Look at the animal kingdom... It's just the way it is. So heading a project such as directing a film is naturally more easy for men. There are always outliers in any bell curve, so you often have women who fit into the male role and men who fit into the female role, but it's a small minority. That's why the greatest Women's Basketball coach of all time is a man (UConn). Yea the end result of that 10,000 years being international chaos. For better or worse, there is a reason women didn't rise up. They are intellectually capable of overpowering strength with wits, they choose not to. There are millions of women out there who flat out say they want a man to take care of them. |
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Post by misstique on Apr 16, 2017 12:59:00 GMT
Anyone ever thought that perhaps.... perhaps many women just don't want to be directors? As opposed to the common theory that there are a million women directors not getting hired by big studios because they are women. Yep, this is pretty much the truth of the matter. There are also millions, millions more cricket players in India than in US....doesn't mean there is some kind of oppression of cricketers going on in America. Exactly! If anyone looks at the top 10 greatest costume designers in Hollywood ever, 9 are women. I don't hear anybody saying that male costume designers are being oppressed. it's really a matter of personal preferences. Most women are more interested in designing costumes for a movie than directing it. |
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Post by london777 on Apr 16, 2017 17:09:01 GMT
6%, eh? That's a real problem.
But I am sure that with subtle but dogged agitation and behind-the-scenes deals we guys can cut that figure down to 3% within a decade.
Who is the best current woman director? Susanne Bier?
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Post by misstique on Apr 17, 2017 5:12:29 GMT
Anyone ever thought that perhaps.... perhaps many women just don't want to be directors? As opposed to the common theory that there are a million women directors not getting hired by big studios because they are women. Most women don't want to be directors, that is true. But there's no disputing that those who do are not given the same opportunities as men - at least not since the silent era, after which men realized there was a lot of money to be made, so they took back the reins from the women they had been allowing and even encouraging to direct. Alice Guy-Blaché (1873-1968) is generally conceded to be the first director of a narrative film. She directed 436 films from 1896 to 1920. Here's a link that tells a little more about women in silent film history: www.nwhm.org/online-exhibits/film/8.htmlI'm sorry but I don't fully agree that women who want to be directors are not given the same opportunities as men. There are many aspiring male directors who also are struggling and don't get opportunities unless they have very good contacts. Newcomers, of any gender, always have a tough time getting a big gig. It would be ridiculous to expect a big studio to hire a complete newbie to helm their movies. Male or female directors must first start small, direct commercials, music videos, TV series episodes etc., build experience and a good CV and then try to get a big gig. |
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