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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 26, 2018 16:47:04 GMT
"Inventing" something doesn't mean you are the best at it. Someone invented the horse and carriage, but the car is better. This is a straw man and beside the point. And lol, it's a very silly and invalid analogy - the analogy is more DC invented modern fast food franchising, and MCU are currently running the most profitable junk food chain.
But yes, DC have invented the modern blockbuster CBM (with Superman, then Batman), and they also have the CBMs held in the highest regards by the general public. Just check the relevant popularity charts like IMDB (even now with MCU peaking the DC films are higher lol, what will happen when the bubble bursts?) or all the "Best CBM trilogy/CBM" charts.
LOL, only in your fantasy. Generally, these films are considered forumalic CBM junk food sticking closely to their comic book roots. The films that push were Nolan, Logan, Watchmen or WW but certainly not MCU. Jesus, you are being deliberately obtuse? How about first ever successful female-led CBM? The few before were huge flops on all levels. That is curse breaking for you.
Cry me a salty river, pal. If you don't care about Oscars, what about beting every MCU movie this year at the prestigeous Critics Choice Award 2017 or at AFI (Movie of thr Year) etc? Sure that would mean something to you if MCU movies would have won, lol.
Yes it is. It has currently several variation of the same character, eg. DCEU Supes, Arrowverse Supes, Animated Universe Supes etc. Not to speak of all the past manifestations.
No it is not. This is a shared universe, like MCU.
That is indicated by the term "multiverse", genius.
Nah I like my analogy better. DC had the template, but it is better now. Much better. I mean, they self-destruct every time. Can you honestly say that DC can get past 2 movies in a series being good? Superman crashed after the 1st movie and had to bring in a new director that sucked when he did his own movie (3). Hell, Even Superman Returns was the new Superman 3 and that failed to get a sequel. Batman crashed at Batman Returns. TDKR was not well received so that made it to 2. All other DC movies crashed and burned at the 1st movie. No sequels for those. DC has no clue what they are doing. In the MCU, CBM is a subgenre. That's what I mean by moved past being CBMs. Wait, so it's a curse to suck as a movie and not believe in it? If they put into a female led movie that they put into the male led movies, then female led movies would have been good long ago. Don't care about any of the awards either way. I mean, one of the MCU movies got an effects nomination and I didn't care when I saw it. An award does nothing for me because I didn't work on the movie and I wouldn't be getting it. If that is the case then everything that has a reboot is a multiverse. All the animated series and live action shows in the Marvel universe are a part of a multiverse. That's not how it works. The Arrowverse is a multiverse. They actually do the 52 Earths. Only the shows themselves are a shared universe, but they have different universes in that world. Don't know what a multiverse is do you? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 17:03:47 GMT
Don't know what a multiverse is do you? It's something that apparently is good when DC does it, but apparently is bad when the MCU considers it. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 17:11:19 GMT
This is a straw man and beside the point. And lol, it's a very silly and invalid analogy - the analogy is more DC invented modern fast food franchising, and MCU are currently running the most profitable junk food chain.
But yes, DC have invented the modern blockbuster CBM (with Superman, then Batman), and they also have the CBMs held in the highest regards by the general public. Just check the relevant popularity charts like IMDB (even now with MCU peaking the DC films are higher lol, what will happen when the bubble bursts?) or all the "Best CBM trilogy/CBM" charts.
LOL, only in your fantasy. Generally, these films are considered forumalic CBM junk food sticking closely to their comic book roots. The films that push were Nolan, Logan, Watchmen or WW but certainly not MCU. Jesus, you are being deliberately obtuse? How about first ever successful female-led CBM? The few before were huge flops on all levels. That is curse breaking for you.
Cry me a salty river, pal. If you don't care about Oscars, what about beting every MCU movie this year at the prestigeous Critics Choice Award 2017 or at AFI (Movie of thr Year) etc? Sure that would mean something to you if MCU movies would have won, lol.
Yes it is. It has currently several variation of the same character, eg. DCEU Supes, Arrowverse Supes, Animated Universe Supes etc. Not to speak of all the past manifestations.
No it is not. This is a shared universe, like MCU.
That is indicated by the term "multiverse", genius.
Nah I like my analogy better. DC had the template, but it is better now. Much better. I mean, they self-destruct every time. Can you honestly say that DC can get past 2 movies in a series being good? Superman crashed after the 1st movie and had to bring in a new director that sucked when he did his own movie (3). Hell, Even Superman Returns was the new Superman 3 and that failed to get a sequel. Batman crashed at Batman Returns. TDKR was not well received so that made it to 2. All other DC movies crashed and burned at the 1st movie. No sequels for those. DC has no clue what they are doing. In the MCU, CBM is a subgenre. That's what I mean by moved past being CBMs. Wait, so it's a curse to suck as a movie and not believe in it? If they put into a female led movie that they put into the male led movies, then female led movies would have been good long ago. Don't care about any of the awards either way. I mean, one of the MCU movies got an effects nomination and I didn't care when I saw it. An award does nothing for me because I didn't work on the movie and I wouldn't be getting it. If that is the case then everything that has a reboot is a multiverse. All the animated series and live action shows in the Marvel universe are a part of a multiverse. That's not how it works. The Arrowverse is a multiverse. They actually do the 52 Earths. Only the shows themselves are a shared universe, but they have different universes in that world. Don't know what a multiverse is do you? TDKR wasn’t well received? What? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 26, 2018 17:14:14 GMT
Nah I like my analogy better. DC had the template, but it is better now. Much better. I mean, they self-destruct every time. Can you honestly say that DC can get past 2 movies in a series being good? Superman crashed after the 1st movie and had to bring in a new director that sucked when he did his own movie (3). Hell, Even Superman Returns was the new Superman 3 and that failed to get a sequel. Batman crashed at Batman Returns. TDKR was not well received so that made it to 2. All other DC movies crashed and burned at the 1st movie. No sequels for those. DC has no clue what they are doing. In the MCU, CBM is a subgenre. That's what I mean by moved past being CBMs. Wait, so it's a curse to suck as a movie and not believe in it? If they put into a female led movie that they put into the male led movies, then female led movies would have been good long ago. Don't care about any of the awards either way. I mean, one of the MCU movies got an effects nomination and I didn't care when I saw it. An award does nothing for me because I didn't work on the movie and I wouldn't be getting it. If that is the case then everything that has a reboot is a multiverse. All the animated series and live action shows in the Marvel universe are a part of a multiverse. That's not how it works. The Arrowverse is a multiverse. They actually do the 52 Earths. Only the shows themselves are a shared universe, but they have different universes in that world. Don't know what a multiverse is do you? TDKR wasn’t well received? What? When compared to the 1st 2. People saw it as a drop off in comparison. But that still goes with what I'm saying. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 18:24:49 GMT
TDKR wasn’t well received? What? When compared to the 1st 2. People saw it as a drop off in comparison. But that still goes with what I'm saying. TDKR is rated pretty highly on RT and IMDB from both critics and audience members. It has some vocal detractors but to say that it wasn’t well received is just plain dishonest. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 18:52:44 GMT
When compared to the 1st 2. People saw it as a drop off in comparison. But that still goes with what I'm saying. TDKR is rated pretty highly on RT and IMDB from both critics and audience members. It has some vocal detractors but to say that it wasn’t well received is just plain dishonest. That's more residual popularity from the Dark Knight. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 19:08:54 GMT
TDKR is rated pretty highly on RT and IMDB from both critics and audience members. It has some vocal detractors but to say that it wasn’t well received is just plain dishonest. That's more residual popularity from the Dark Knight. Give it a break. You always come up with contrived excuses and it’s irritating. Stop it. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:13:41 GMT
That's more residual popularity from the Dark Knight. Give it a break. You always come up with contrived excuses and it’s irritating. Stop it. So I'm paying TDK fans back for the decade of their own attitude. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:16:08 GMT
Give it a break. You always come up with contrived excuses and it’s irritating. Stop it. So I'm paying TDK fans back for the decade of their own attitude. Who on these boards outside of DC-Fan do you think you’re “paying back”? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:18:01 GMT
So I'm paying TDK fans back for the decade of their own attitude. Who on these boards outside of DC-Fan do you think you’re “paying back”? Anyone who worships the Dark Knight movies and are thin-skinned enough to be driven to a rage by someone who doesn't. TDKR wasn't a bad movie. Just not one to provoke worship. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:21:59 GMT
Who on these boards outside of DC-Fan do you think you’re “paying back”? Anyone who worships the Dark Knight movies and are thin-skinned enough to be driven to a rage by someone who doesn't. TDKR wasn't a bad movie. Just not one to provoke worship. People loving a set of movies doesn’t mean they worship them. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:25:07 GMT
Anyone who worships the Dark Knight movies and are thin-skinned enough to be driven to a rage by someone who doesn't. TDKR wasn't a bad movie. Just not one to provoke worship. People loving a set of movies doesn’t mean they worship them. Were you on the old IMDB forums when the Nolanites were out in hordes? Trust me, they DID worship them. And hated every CBM out there that dared to not be like Nolans' work. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:32:38 GMT
People loving a set of movies doesn’t mean they worship them. Were you on the old IMDB forums when the Nolanites were out in hordes? Trust me, they DID worship them. And hated every CBM out there that dared to not be like Nolans' work. I lurked around the IMDB forums back in 2008 and 2009 and I saw a fair amount of detractors on top of people who were crazy about those TDK. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:36:02 GMT
Were you on the old IMDB forums when the Nolanites were out in hordes? Trust me, they DID worship them. And hated every CBM out there that dared to not be like Nolans' work. I lurked around the IMDB forums back in 2008 and 2009 and I saw a fair amount of detractors on top of people who were crazy about those TDK. Well, trust me the detractor populace died down pretty darn fast. It was seen as taboo to say anything bad about Dark Knight for years until BvS came out and deflated most of them. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:37:37 GMT
I lurked around the IMDB forums back in 2008 and 2009 and I saw a fair amount of detractors on top of people who were crazy about those TDK. Well, trust me the detractor populace died down pretty darn fast. It was seen as taboo to say anything bad about Dark Knight for years until BvS came out and deflated most of them. I recall seeing a fair amount of people in 2009 who had negative things to say about TDK, while speaking favorably of the 89 film. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:39:01 GMT
Well, trust me the detractor populace died down pretty darn fast. It was seen as taboo to say anything bad about Dark Knight for years until BvS came out and deflated most of them. I recall seeing a fair amount of people in 2009 who had negative things to say about TDK, while speaking favorably of the 89 film. They were long gone by 2010. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:40:48 GMT
I recall seeing a fair amount of people in 2009 who had negative things to say about TDK, while speaking favorably of the 89 film. They were long gone by 2010. From what I recall seeing in 2010, most of the posts on TDK board were just random nonsense that had nothing to do with the movie. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:44:54 GMT
They were long gone by 2010. From what I recall seeing in 2010, most of the posts on TDK board were just random nonsense that had nothing to do with the movie. That was mostly spamming by the Nolanites to drown out anything meaningful that wasn't blind adoration for the film. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 26, 2018 20:49:48 GMT
From what I recall seeing in 2010, most of the posts on TDK board were just random nonsense that had nothing to do with the movie. That was mostly spamming by the Nolanites to drown out anything meaningful that wasn't blind adoration for the film. How do you know that? Also, haven’t you previously stated that there are virtually no critiques of the movie, on the count of Heath Ledger’s death? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:59:57 GMT
That was mostly spamming by the Nolanites to drown out anything meaningful that wasn't blind adoration for the film. How do you know that? Also, haven’t you previously stated that there are virtually no critiques of the movie, on the count of Heath Ledger’s death? Because I know how fanatical Nolanites are. I said there were no critiques that could be made without said person immediately being swarmed by Nolanites who wouldn't stand for that. Like pointing out how Dent's "Die a Hero or inevitably become a villain" thing has been defied by several real world people. |
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