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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 17:40:48 GMT
I can think of one special item they deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 13:55:37 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:18:26 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 30, 2018 22:36:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 13:46:06 GMT
The first three 'Hellraiser' movies were some of the best Horror movies in the late 80s and 90s in my opinion and 'Hellraiser 4' wasn't that bad either but re-watching those movies makes me sad thinking about how low the franchise has sunk since then 'cause it had so much potential to be better and they completely ruined it when they decided to make other movies and just add Pinhead and the Cenobites in small parts. They should have stuck with Kirsty as the main star for at least 6 movies and brought back the other original Cenobites.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 10, 2018 19:09:39 GMT
Well the big problem with the hellraiser franchise is only a couple at the beginning were made as Hellraiser films. The rest started as something else and at some point an executive decided it's going to be a Hellraiser film and they had to force pinhead into the story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 13:48:37 GMT
Well the big problem with the hellraiser franchise is only a couple at the beginning were made as Hellraiser films. The rest started as something else and at some point an executive decided it's going to be a Hellraiser film and they had to force pinhead into the story. Exactly and I don't understand why they did that in the first place and why they continued to do it when the franchise just kept going down and down with every movie and they couldn't have honestly believed making Pinhead and the Cenobites a smaller part in every movie would get more people to watch them when the most popular movies were the ones with them at the front. I wish they would just give it back to Clive Barker so he can take over the franchise again and reboot it himself. He has said in multiple interviews he has a lot of plans for the 'Hellraiser' franchises and he is still writing 'Hellraiser' now but just has no control over it on screen.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 18, 2018 14:50:37 GMT
I wonder how long the franchise can continue without Doug Bradley. They tried to make a film without him and it flopped. Even if this does result in Barker getting the rights back, how do you replace Bradley?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 14:06:04 GMT
I wonder how long the franchise can continue without Doug Bradley. They tried to make a film without him and it flopped. Even if this does result in Barker getting the rights back, how do you replace Bradley? I don't think it is going to last that long without Doug Bradley and losing Doug was a big blow to the franchise 'cause he has been playing Pinhead since the start but the problem was with the latest movie the writer refused to let Doug read the script before he signed his name to it and Doug didn't want to sign in case it was rubbish and I think actors should get to see that before they sign especially if they are going to be playing a character like Pinhead. If Clive retains the rights to the franchise Doug has said he would be interested in coming back.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 28, 2018 17:44:51 GMT
Sometimes actors don't have the luxury to wait and see if a script is good or not. They have to pay the bills and eat and the older you get the fewer jobs come your way. Which is why so many A-list actors are reduced to taking Z-list films.
So kudos to Bradley on being able to pass up shit instead of being forced to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:51:35 GMT
Sometimes actors don't have the luxury to wait and see if a script is good or not. They have to pay the bills and eat and the older you get the fewer jobs come your way. Which is why so many A-list actors are reduced to taking Z-list films. So kudos to Bradley on being able to pass up shit instead of being forced to take it. Yeah. True. Although with Doug Bradley I think he has gotten to the stage in his career where he doesn't need the role as much as he would have earlier in his career and can turn movies down if they don't suit his terms. I think the problem with a series like 'Hellraiser' which has been continuously going downhill since 'Hellraiser 4' you are bound to think it must be really bad if they won't show you the script before you sign on to it 'cause they showed him the scripts for the previous movies and with this one they refused. I have heard Doug say if they get Clive Barker back he would play Pinhead again so it is possible we might see him return. Have you heard there is a remake of 'Candyman' in the works? I am very disappointed in that 'cause Clive Barker and Tony Todd were talking about making a 'Candyman 4' movie not long ago which was going to have Virginia Madison return too and I would rather see one more movie with Tony Todd and Clive Barker writing it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 12, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
Yeah but remakes are all the craze! Who wants to see a continuation of a series you love with the directors and actors you know and love? Nobody that's who!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:48:35 GMT
Yeah but remakes are all the craze! Who wants to see a continuation of a series you love with the directors and actors you know and love? Nobody that's who! They are but I am still confused over the rights for ‘Candy Man’ at the moment and have no idea how the studio still owns them and are making a remake when the last time we had a ‘Candy Man’ movie was in 1999 but that has me thinking maybe that is why they are making a remake now and they have 20 years to make another one or the rights went back to Clive so they need to release one next year or they will lose it. They obviously don’t care much about ‘Candy Man’ or they wouldn’t have taken this many years just to make another movie and I think they only care about holding on to the rights so others can’t have success with it themselves kinda like how Channel 7 here buys the rights for American TV shows and never airs them or airs them years later after they are cancelled so no other channels can get ratings for them and they are just being pricks doing that.
Interestingly, I have been reading some of Clive Barker’s graphic novels lately and there is one that is the sequel to ‘Hellraiser 3’ that a lot of fans always wanted which takes place after the events of that movie and has Kirsty back in it and Pinhead and the other cenobites from the first two movies are all reunited with each other and Pinhead’s good side prevails over his evil side and he decides he wants to seek salvation and helps Kirsty find the locations of all the artifacts that summon the cenobites so she can destroy them and then him and Kirsty kill the other Cenobites together. It is a lot better than anything they have done in the movies since then and if Clive gets control back over ‘Hellraiser’ that is the story he might adapt into a movie and I would love to see a movie with Kirsty returning.
With ‘Hellraiser’ it would be a long wait between movies if Clive got back control and made a proper ‘Hellraiser 4’ movie based on his comic books but unlike ‘Mary Poppins’ returns and other movies we are seeing coming back years later they wouldn't have to worry about it not being welcomed by fans after the amount of terrible movies we have seen that have the ‘Hellraiser’ names but have little in common with it 'cause a lot of 'Hellraiser' fans want to see proper 'Hellraiser' movies again like the first three and since 'Hellraiser: Bloodline' didn't use 4 in the title like the first three used the numbers in their titles and were all connected together taking place straight after each other a new movie based on those graphic novels should be able to use the title of 'Hellraiser 4' but I don’t know what it would take for Clive to get the rights back though ‘cause they have made so many bombs and still do not want to give the rights back to him or sell them back to him. Why keep something if you keep failing with it?
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 24, 2018 13:32:23 GMT
Well they make money off of it and would rather be the only ones to profit, even if their returns keep diminishing. Better that then losing the rights only to have someone else make a lot of money from a successful film.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:51:17 GMT
Well they make money off of it and would rather be the only ones to profit, even if their returns keep diminishing. Better that then losing the rights only to have someone else make a lot of money from a successful film. Yeah. You are most likely right which is why the rights for 'Candy Man' have been held captive for so long despite there not being a new movie for AGES but it appears they have changed their minds about 'Hellraiser' as I told you last week and even though the rights haven't reverted back to Clive Barker maybe these people might be willing to work with Clive and we can finally get an adaption of his continuation to 'Hellraiser 3' and bring Ashley Laurence back as Kirsty!!
Miramax CEO Teases Possible Reboots For Scream And Hellraiserwegotthiscovered.com/movies/miramax-ceo-teases-possible-reboots-for-scream-and-hellraiser/
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 10, 2018 11:46:35 GMT
Not sure whether to be happy or scared.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 11:26:22 GMT
Not sure whether to be happy or scared. It depends on who are making the movies and if they want them to succeed or are just looking for a quick pay check and if they get Clive back on board I think this could be the first successful 'Hellraiser' movie in some time and will get a lot of the fans back but in order for things to get better they really need to see where they went wrong to begin with and some studios seem to have a hard time grasping that despite millions of fans pointing it out to them and I think the only two ways to fix the 'Hellraiser' franchise are get Clive Barker and Ashley Laurence back as Kirsty and pull a 'Halloween (2018)' and make the graphic novel sequel to 'Hellraiser 3' into a movie in the original timeline or reboot the series from scratch with a new actress playing Kirsty. I personally think losing Kirsty and taking the focus off the Cenobites were the two main things that lead to where they are now. While we are talking about 'Hellraiser' I thought you might like to read this.
HELLRAISER'S ONGOING FOCUS ON FEMALE FRIENDSHIPSwww.syfy.com/syfywire/hellraisers-ongoing-focus-on-female-friendships
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 27, 2018 11:53:39 GMT
HELLRAISER'S ONGOING FOCUS ON FEMALE FRIENDSHIPS
Well that's going to piss off a lot of people who are going to take up arms against this film.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 11:12:08 GMT
HELLRAISER'S ONGOING FOCUS ON FEMALE FRIENDSHIPS
Well that's going to piss off a lot of people who are going to take up arms against this film. Tell me about it. Anything with a female lead or a strong female character in a prominent role in a movie or TV shows these days sets a certain disturbed group of males off and they don't even need to be new movies or TV shows and we have a number of them blaming 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Sex and the City' for ruining their dating lives but anybody who has a problem with female characters in 'Hellraiser' movies aren't real 'Hellraiser' fans 'cause the first three movies had female leads.
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Post by dazz on Nov 11, 2018 18:38:34 GMT
Well that's going to piss off a lot of people who are going to take up arms against this film. Tell me about it. Anything with a female lead or a strong female character in a prominent role in a movie or TV shows these days sets a certain disturbed group of males off and they don't even need to be new movies or TV shows and we have a number of them blaming 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Sex and the City' for ruining their dating lives but anybody who has a problem with female characters in 'Hellraiser' movies aren't real 'Hellraiser' fans 'cause the first three movies had female leads. Hey now Deb you don't know that's what he meant, he could have been referring to the friendship thing, I mean what does friendship have to do with horror movies anyway? horror films are about 3 things, the scares, the kills and the boobies, there aint no time for friendship when boobies are on display and some scary cunt is trying to kill you.
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