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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 25, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
For good or for worse, this movie is the prototype of modern blockbuster CMBs. It's the template for Nolan and Burton Batverses as well as for Marvel's MCU.
Still, sad that no other CMB - aside from maybe TDK - achieved to present a soundtrack only remotely reaching the genius of what Williams created here (I'm not talking the SM theme, but the entire score).
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Post by jamesbamesy on Mar 25, 2018 19:04:44 GMT
The first ever big, blockbuster superhero film. Love it.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 25, 2018 19:16:22 GMT
I’ve already used this toast for Planet of the Apes’s anniversary celebration, but here goes for Supes…
Shoehorned as anything, but it’s on my mind.
Superman ’78 is still my favorite superhero flick, and let me merrily join in the birthday festivities.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Mar 25, 2018 19:23:46 GMT
For good or for worse, this movie is the prototype of modern blockbuster CMBs. It's the template for Nolan and Burton Batverses as well as for Marvel's MCU. Still, sad that no other CMB - aside from maybe TDK - achieved to present a soundtrack only remotely reaching the genius of what Williams created here (I'm not talking the SM theme, but the entire score). Danny Elfman's 1989 Batman soundtrack? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 25, 2018 19:31:24 GMT
But as an epic movie that tells Superman's story, it's great. The genre wouldn't be where it is without it. Yep, Superman: The Movie is a great superhero origin movie and still better than any of the superhero movies that have been released in the 21st century. And John Williams' classic theme is 1 of the most famous and recognized themes in Hollywood history. It's the movie that started the genre of big-budget superhero movies and despite the claims by MCU fan formersamhmd (aka "Mr. Artificial Booster"), there would be no MCU without Superman: The Movie. |
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Post by marianne48 on Mar 26, 2018 1:24:27 GMT
The first big-budget, blockbuster superhero movie. It deserves the blame for the endless parade of puerile nonsense that has been puked out of Hollywood ever since-- movies about comic book characters, originally intended for the under-10 set, being aimed at middle-aged Peter Pans.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 26, 2018 1:27:41 GMT
The first big-budget, blockbuster superhero movie. It deserves the blame for the endless parade of puerile nonsense that has been puking out of Hollywood ever since-- movies about comic book characters, originally intended for the under-10 set, being aimed at middle-aged Peter Pans. Wow. That’s certainly nasty and prejudiced. It also says nothing about the movie in question, only about what you (erroneously, as your stereotype is vague and untrue) think of the fans of the movies that came in its wake. Wow. I’d be ashamed to say something like that about fans of even genres I dislike. |
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Post by marianne48 on Mar 26, 2018 1:57:27 GMT
Re: the movie in question--it was basically a big-budget version of the 1950s children's TV series, except I'm not sure even that show would try to get away with that silly cop-out ending of Supey turning back time to save somebody--even childrens' fantasy films should have a little more logic.
It's cute when a 5-year-old wants to play a superhero and asks Mommy to attach a dishcloth to the back of his T-shirt. And that's about as far as that should go.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 26, 2018 2:05:35 GMT
Re: the movie in question--it was basically a big-budget version of the 1950s children's TV series, except I'm not sure even that show would try to get away with that silly cop-out ending of Supey turning back time to save somebody--even childrens' fantasy films should have a little more logic. It's cute when a 5-year-old wants to play a superhero and asks Mommy to attach a dishcloth to the back of his T-shirt. And that's about as far as that should go. And, guess what, you like Snow White! IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/1199775/threadNow, I can say, “It’s cute when a 5-year-old wants to play a princess and asks Mommy to buy her a frilly dress. And that’s about as far as that should go.” And I’d be equally as pompous, presumptuous, and insulting as you’re being here. I don’t think that’s as far as it should go, as I like Snow White, but let’s say that I didn’t. I still wouldn’t insult its viewers and say that they haven’t mentally progressed past the age of 5 because I don’t believe in being arrogant or priggish. And, ma’am, that’s what you were with that post. I don’t like many of the superhero movies coming out now. I think there are far too many of them, all at once, and I worry about the quality of cinema in general. But I am not going to insult the people who do like them, many of them very intelligent, just because I happen to have a different taste. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 26, 2018 2:12:04 GMT
that silly cop-out ending of Supey turning back time to save somebody--even childrens' fantasy films should have a little more logic. Superman went back in time to save the woman he loved... Other media has told stories about doing the exact same thing... People wish all the time to have their loved ones back. It's cute when a 5-year-old wants to play a superhero and asks Mommy to attach a dishcloth to the back of his T-shirt. And that's about as far as that should go. Why are you filled with so much hate & venom? Did you have a traumatic childhood or something? |
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Post by marianne48 on Mar 26, 2018 2:18:30 GMT
Snow White is a well-made fairy tale aimed at children, who watch them for their entertainment value. These endless reboots of Superman, Batman, and other characters from old Saturday afternoon kiddie matinees are aimed at adults, some of whom take them way too seriously.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 26, 2018 2:20:53 GMT
Snow White is a well-made fairy tale aimed at children, who watch them for their entertainment value. These endless reboots of Superman, Batman, and other characters from old Saturday afternoon kiddie matinees are aimed at adults, some of whom take them way too seriously. According to you, and me, and many others—but it’s opinion. Unless you’re honestly going to sit here and tell us your opinion is objective fact? I happen to agree with you on Snow White. Others don’t. Fine. I don’t agree with you about the ’78 Superman. Others, I’m sure, do. Fine. Don’t insult the people who don’t agree with you. Engage them in rational discussion instead. EDIT: As Disney said many times, he aimed Snow White at children and adults. In fact, now that I think of it, Richard Donner intended the same for Superman. Yup. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 26, 2018 4:46:39 GMT
Great fun then. Great fun now. Best of the bunch ! A casting directors dream come true :   My only negative comment ... the outrageous amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ paid for the Brando Cameo. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 9:31:15 GMT
For good or for worse, this movie is the prototype of modern blockbuster CMBs. It's the template for Nolan and Burton Batverses as well as for Marvel's MCU. Still, sad that no other CMB - aside from maybe TDK - achieved to present a soundtrack only remotely reaching the genius of what Williams created here (I'm not talking the SM theme, but the entire score). Danny Elfman's 1989 Batman soundtrack? true, that score would artistically rank next to the Zimmer Batscores IMO. I love it and still have it as CD, but it does not compare to Williams score in composition and quality.
With Elfman we basically get one single Batman theme repeatrd ad nauseam, and hardly any further thematic substance in motives (aside from some musical quotes). The Batman theme is derivative of a Tchaikovsky Nutcracker-walz theme (which is explicitly revealed in the Batwalz version). Still ther eare several cool pieces on that score.
With Williams you get a fully composed score with many iconic themes, next to teh SM themes there are the Krypton/Kryponite theme, the homeland music, the love theme, the villain theme etc. All these are used as Leitmotives like in a Wagner music drama. It's a quality standard only reached by few other sountracks like LotR, Star Wars, Star Trek etc.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Mar 26, 2018 14:36:27 GMT
I have no problem with long movies, I love Superman. I recently bought the Extended Cut on Bluray; it's the three-hour TV version that aired on ABC wayyyy back when. I was in pure heaven watching it. |
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Post by plasma on Mar 26, 2018 15:02:48 GMT
While other superhero films have kinda surpassed it in some ways, it does feel like the perfect embodiment of what a superhero origin film should be, and Reeve's performance as Superman is still one of the best in the genre. "You will believe a man called fly" etc... There's a reason why directors keep mentioning it when they bring-up influences to their own superhero films. It has great origin story, and more importantly Superman is actually heroic.
Plus dat Williams score.
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 27, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
After 40 Years... Does anyone know...
Why?... Hackensack N.J.?
Lex Luther, the "greatest criminal mind of our time", was in control of a second nuclear missile, and he must have had some reason for targeting the second missile at Hackensack N.J.
Now it is true, that Otis incorrectly programmed one of the missiles (not sure which one)... but randomly entering the coordinates for where Miss Tessmacher's mother lived, on one try, was highly unlikely...
There doesn't seem to be any indication that Lex even knew where Miss Tessmacher's mother lived, and even if he did, and she was a wicked witch, it seems unlikely that he would waste a nuclear missile, just to kill her, since any old bomb would have worked just as well...
So why Hackensack N.J. ... and not Gotham City, or Washington D.C.?
Was there something special about Hackensack N.J. like they were manufacturing, let's say: vital "Computer Parts", or something like that?
Or was it just the hometown of one of the writers, and they just threw that into the script just for the fun of it?
Just curious.
After 40 Years, I think we deserve to know.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Mar 27, 2018 20:17:51 GMT
After 40 Years... Does anyone know... Why?... Hackensack N.J.? Lex Luther, the "greatest criminal mind of our time", was in control of a second nuclear missile, and he must have had some reason for targeting the second missile at Hackensack N.J. Now it is true, that Otis incorrectly programmed one of the missiles (not sure which one)... but randomly entering the coordinates for where Miss Tessmacher's mother lived, on one try, was highly unlikely... There doesn't seem to be any indication that Lex even knew where Miss Tessmacher's mother lived, and even if he did, and she was a wicked witch, it seems unlikely that he would waste a nuclear missile, just to kill her, since any old bomb would have worked just as well... So why Hackensack N.J. ... and not Gotham City, or Washington D.C.? Was there something special about Hackensack N.J. like they were manufacturing, let's say: vital "Computer Parts", or something like that? Or was it just the hometown of one of the writers, and they just threw that into the script just for the fun of it? Just curious. After 40 Years, I think we deserve to know. Just speculation here, but I think it was done as a joke more than anything. As we all know, Lex's grand plan was to wipe out the entire coast of California, which would have been a disaster of Biblical proportions. That was all Lex was focused on; he didn't particularly care what the other target was. I think the writers just thought it would be funny to counter-balance his ultimate goal with the second missile wiping out someplace rather inconsequential. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 27, 2018 21:17:10 GMT
I think it needed a big robot.
Superman fighting a Luthor robot.
The one thing missing. Every other kind of Superman power is shown and personally I think the time reversal was well done--he did it for himself in defiance of Jor-El. It was the one selfish act he did.
Using it again in the Donner Superman 2 was a BAD idea.
Splitting the movie into two parts and ending on a cliffhanger would have also been a bad idea.
I agree about Williams' score.
The scenes before he gets to Metropolis have a sweeping epic quality--the opening camera shot on Krypton gives me goosebumps.
As I said though it is unique among sci-fi or comic book films in that it has an all-star international case spanning the 20s-70s.
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 27, 2018 21:52:27 GMT
and personally I think the time reversal was well done--he did it for himself in defiance of Jor-El. It was the one selfish act he did. Using it again in the Donner Superman 2 was a BAD idea. YES. I watched the big Superman documentary that came out in 2006... and it was noted that there were times in the Comics when Superman had become too powerful... Such as "blowing out a Star with his super breath"... Yeah, I completely agree... Having Superman Time Travel in Donner's version of Superman 2... WAS... a bad idea. It makes him too powerful... So Powerful, that he can just Time Travel, in every movie... So, What's the point of seeing any Superman movie, if at the end of every film, Superman will just undo it all? Why bother? But in this first movie... Lois dies, and we can see that Superman can't live with that, and he even goes a little crazy... Obviously he reaches deep into himself to find the ability to Time Travel, and save the woman he loves. And that worked perfectly. But, sadly, the way the Time Travel was portrayed, was poorly executed... Contrary to popular opinions, and official explanations... Superman did NOT "spin the world backwards"... It was about "Time's Arrow". We see the world spinning normally, because we are moving forward in time... And Then... Superman flies FASTER than the speed of light (Remember those Light Rings coming off of him?) and he then goes backwards through time, and so we then see the world stop, and then it appears to spin backwards... Like the clocks seen going backwards in other "Time Machine" films. Too many people get hung up on this, because they don't understand... He just goes back in time. That's It. Just Accept it. I just wished Donner has shown us Superman stopping the missiles for a second time... Some fan successfully created his own video of this on YouTube, a long time ago, and it was incredible. |
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