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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 14, 2017 2:31:13 GMT
IMHO Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was a really bad film. It had no story and it's really hard to look at, I feel like there's a layer of gauze over the entire film. Gee, too bad that you think that about it. I recently rewatched it a few nights ago and enjoyed it just as much as I had the first time. There are flaws, to be sure, but the film's heart is so obviously in the right place, and its playing is so good and adroitness so manifest, that I tend to overlook them. I agree about the "layer of gauze" criticism--it annoyed me more on my first viewing, when I wasn't expecting it--but even there the point is to give it that comic-book feel that is so missing from the more realist modern-day superhero movies (especially DC's new films, unfortunately, and Marvel to some extent as well). It interests me that you should state that it has no story, because I found it to have more story than the majority of modern-day "blow 'er up!" blockbusters (e.g., Transformers and its ill-bred ilk). It is witty (though perhaps less so than it wishes to be) and intelligent (when was the last time you heard a script quote John Masefield's "Sea Fever"?), and the characters are likable (one genuinely wants them to succeed) and charming. There are no major twists, and the action sequences may seem "hokey" to the jaded modern viewer, but that is exactly the point. I find it delightful, though not as good a movie as The Rocketeer. And, whatever one thinks of Sky Captain, what Hollywood did to director Kerry Conran is unforgivable. You nailed it. I emboldened part of your quote that hit it on the head for me. I could see why one wouldn't enjoy "Sky Captain" but what you stated above was why I enjoyed it so much. It was a little heavy in ambition regarding the story and technology, but I can let a few things go if a movie has a little heart while it shoots for the moon. I can certainly let a few things go when an attempt is made to do something new or different, even if there are a few style-over-substance moments. It was easy for me to feel the effort and passion that went into this film. Both "Sky Captain" and "The Rocketeer" were great experiments in escapism (not everyone's cup of tea, sure). For me, they both create a bit of nostalgia for a period of time I have no connection with. The time period is distant enough to romanticize, but recent enough to have relatable characters. "Indiana Jones" did this particularly well. Hard to explain, but seems like the blood, sweat, and tears behind both films was secreted with a smile, and I feel like that transfers to the viewer most of the time.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Mar 14, 2017 2:48:01 GMT
Last Action Hero (1993) I believe. I have no idea why that movie fell so hard. It now has a certain following itself from what I understand. Maybe it was just ahead of its time. Definitely agree with you. Critics had to decide which film they were going to crush, and they decided on LAH over Jurassic Park, which was a great film also. But Last Action Hero is much better.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 2:50:48 GMT
how about the more modern "The Nice Guys"
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Post by conspirologist on Mar 14, 2017 2:54:59 GMT
The Nice Guys is the most recent one I can think of. A sweet throwback to the crime/action thrillers of the 70s and 80s but it bombed badly. *does internet research. five seconds later* FUCK this was released the same day as THE ANGRY BIRDS MOVIE. Dammit Warner Bros! Can you do anything right?!? It's easy to explain. It bombed because it is about two white, heterosexual tough males. No ethnic, trannies, queers or other trash as main characters. I had so much good time watching it, because it's how movies used to be made for good.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 14, 2017 2:57:29 GMT
Gee, too bad that you think that about it. I recently rewatched it a few nights ago and enjoyed it just as much as I had the first time. There are flaws, to be sure, but the film's heart is so obviously in the right place, and its playing is so good and adroitness so manifest, that I tend to overlook them. I agree about the "layer of gauze" criticism--it annoyed me more on my first viewing, when I wasn't expecting it--but even there the point is to give it that comic-book feel that is so missing from the more realist modern-day superhero movies (especially DC's new films, unfortunately, and Marvel to some extent as well). It interests me that you should state that it has no story, because I found it to have more story than the majority of modern-day "blow 'er up!" blockbusters (e.g., Transformers and its ill-bred ilk). It is witty (though perhaps less so than it wishes to be) and intelligent (when was the last time you heard a script quote John Masefield's "Sea Fever"?), and the characters are likable (one genuinely wants them to succeed) and charming. There are no major twists, and the action sequences may seem "hokey" to the jaded modern viewer, but that is exactly the point. I find it delightful, though not as good a movie as The Rocketeer. And, whatever one thinks of Sky Captain, what Hollywood did to director Kerry Conran is unforgivable. You nailed it. I emboldened part of your quote that hit it on the head for me. I could see why one wouldn't enjoy "Sky Captain" but what you stated above was why I enjoyed it so much. It was a little heavy in ambition regarding the story and technology, but I can let a few things go if a movie has a little heart while it shoots for the moon. I can certainly let a few things go when an attempt is made to do something new or different, even if there are a few style-over-substance moments. It was easy for me to feel the effort and passion that went into this film. Both "Sky Captain" and "The Rocketeer" were great experiments in escapism (not everyone's cup of tea, sure). For me, they both create a bit of nostalgia for a period of time I have no connection with. The time period is distant enough to romanticize, but recent enough to have relatable characters. "Indiana Jones" did this particularly well. Hard to explain, but seems like the blood, sweat, and tears behind both films was secreted with a smile, and I feel like that transfers to the viewer most of the time. My thanks for your comments, and my complete agreement with your words. They create nostalgia for me too, and I also have no connection with the era except through popular culture, i.e., books and movies (and, needless to say, relatives who lived through it). It may be too simplistic to romanticize any era (everyone knows nothing was always lovey-dovey, hunky-dory in any time, especially in the Depression-frought '30s and war-bound '40s), but it is equally simplistic, and specious, to de-romanticize any era, and too many films just seem to rejoice in doing so. ( Pleasantville, a terrible, pretentious picture that I find wildly overrated, is a prime example.) It is for that reason that I find movies like Indy, The Rocketeer, Sky Captain, and last year's Allied to be such a breath of fresh air. We moderns tend to be chronological snobs, looking down our noses at anyone base enough to have been born in a different time. Movies like these not only remind us that people are all people, and that in fact some the "bad old days" might in fact have been "good" or at least "better," but also that the movies have an innate magic to them missing from modern-day popcorn flicks. We enter a crowded theater as we would a temple to some arcane god, and we watch shadows dance on the screen and tell us stories that excite our wildest imagination and give life to our greatest dreams. It makes us certain that magic and mystery have not left the world even yet and that, God willing, they never will.
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Post by gadolinium on Mar 18, 2017 22:11:28 GMT
The Right Stuff.
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Post by conspirologist on Mar 18, 2017 22:28:19 GMT
This movie is amazing. I will never understand what's wrong with people.
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Post by hardball on Mar 19, 2017 7:20:38 GMT
I loved Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. I think the director hasn't done another film since then.
I also liked Sphere and John Carter.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 19, 2017 8:49:37 GMT
I'd throw in "The Rocketeer" and "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow." Both set in more or less the same era...I don't know why movies set in this period tend to bomb. IMHO Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was a really bad film. It had no story and it's really hard to look at, I feel like there's a layer of gauze over the entire film. I don't think it is really bad, just completely forgettable and dull.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:55:21 GMT
Released the same day as The Thing. It's easy to say both films were unsuccessful due to E.T, which itself is a terrific film but far removed from the downbeat narratives provided by Scott and Carpenter. What movie are you referring to here?
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