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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 15:48:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:00:19 GMT
Thanks for proving you are full of shit.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 16:02:57 GMT
Why does he have to read a thread with a bunch of neckbeards arguing about the ST? That's -- we have that here already, in this thread. I'm assuming this is your lame straw man example of sexism? That you read something somewhere along those lines once, so that "proves" everyone else with critical, legitimate, thoughtful insights about these abortions called the "ST" can be dismissed as such? That's lazier than the trolls blaming TFA's lack of quality on casting a black guy and a woman -- or, rather, a stereotypically offensive "comedy relief black sidekick" and a totally untalented little guttersnipe, Ridley, who can't act her wretched way out of a paper bag.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:06:54 GMT
Why does he have to read a thread with a bunch of neckbeards arguing about the ST? It's the proof they wanted. Right, like Hamill was all that great in the OT?
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:10:27 GMT
Thanks for proving you are full of shit. You won't even read it then?
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Post by ryboto on Apr 2, 2018 16:11:33 GMT
Thanks for proving you are full of shit. You won't even read it then? He won't read it, you've won!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 16:12:04 GMT
Why does he have to read a thread with a bunch of neckbeards arguing about the ST? It's the proof they wanted. Right, like Hamill was all that great in the OT? It's not proof of anything. Who gives a fuck? Somebody on the internet was a sexist asshole this one time? Who cares? We're not talking about Hamill. We're talking about how terrible the character of Rey is and how Ridley's dog-faced, shrill, flat, overpowered portrayal of her contributes to what a piss-poor protagonist her character is. Here's where I could easily write you another 2-6 pages about how Luke's character (irrespective of Mark's performance) evolved more between the first two movies than Rey's looks to potentially do over the entire ST and how he's a three-dimensional character with flaws and a journey to go on, etc. etc., but we all know you wouldn't budge an inch regardless because Troll. Yawn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:18:20 GMT
Thanks for proving you are full of shit. You won't even read it then? Why should I? You clearly didn't read my post, so why would I read yours? Because, you know, if you had read my post, you would have been too embarrassed to post that link. Since it came about as close to answering my challenge as this pathetic "sequel trilogy" has done in matching the lore and greatness of the preceding trilogies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:20:56 GMT
You won't even read it then? He won't read it, you've won! At least I bothered to look up the origins of the FO when he said to.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:21:40 GMT
It's the proof they wanted. Right, like Hamill was all that great in the OT? We're talking about how terrible the character of Rey is and how Ridley's dog-faced, shrill, flat, overpowered portrayal of her contributes to what a piss-poor protagonist her character is. You're letting your dislike of the actress color your objectivity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:25:14 GMT
He won't read it, you've won! At least I bothered to look up the origins of the FO when he said to. I KNEW it! You had no clue what you were talking about. I mean, we all knew you had no clue what you were talking about, but thanks for finally having the guts to admit it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:26:42 GMT
At least I bothered to look up the origins of the FO when he said to. I KNEW it! You had no clue what you were talking about. I mean, we all knew you had no clue what you were talking about, but thanks for finally having the guts to admit it. I tend to avoid spoonfeeding.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 17:05:58 GMT
We're talking about how terrible the character of Rey is and how Ridley's dog-faced, shrill, flat, overpowered portrayal of her contributes to what a piss-poor protagonist her character is. You're letting your dislike of the actress color your objectivity. Nah, she's hot garbage and so is the character. They're both smug and contemptible.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2018 17:28:42 GMT
who the shit is this loser? Someone who doesn't hate the ST for existing. Most the people who dislike the ST don't dislike it for existing. They dislike for the horrible writing and characterizations. The fake storylines too that Rian Johnson killed off, to be fair. Your accusations that they just hate the ST because: * Rey is a female * OT fans never wanted the trilogy made * OT fans want OT stars to never die * OT fans want OT stars to exclusively have all the spotlight ...Those are all lies that you keep telling yourself over and over again because you can't defend the valid criticisms of these movies. Not one critic of the ST on this forum has ever used one of your reasons for why they hate these movies or why they thought that they're of poor quality. Not one. Yet you keep ignoring all of the valid points that they do give you. You just try to superimpose that list of reasons I outlined above over the very different criteria that they give you. It's like you're ignoring what people tell you, and then trying to tell them what their really saying is your little accusation list in a manifesto style. Once again, I'm sure a big part of your motive is that you've discovered that you can't validly defend this crap. You're like a little child who sticks his fingers in his ears and screams "LALA-LALA-LALA!! THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU REALLY SAID!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2018 17:48:52 GMT
I did finally read through several pages of it. From what I found it's about 30% of the things you've made accusations about, 40% tops. The rest of it is well thought out, intelligent and observant criticism. And this is just one thread on one forum. I've peaked at other SW forums. And for the most part the same thing in the way of valid criticisms is going on everywhere.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 19:00:43 GMT
I did finally read through several pages of it. From what I found it's about 30% of the things you've made accusations about, 40% tops. Which is still enough.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 19:02:48 GMT
* OT fans never wanted the trilogy made Well, they didn't. Especially not one made by Disney (for whatever reason). The idea that there's a new conflict going on and new characters are introduced to fight and win this conflict while Luke and Han and Leia are around is considered insulting to their characters. That's why "They messed up the OT characters!" complaints keep getting made. Look at how the reactions to Han and Luke dying were. And no, it isn't HOW they died it's just that they died at all. No one is suicidal enough to outright say "Rey's a girl, yuck." in today's environment.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 2, 2018 19:30:22 GMT
* OT fans never wanted the trilogy made Well, they didn't. Especially not one made by Disney (for whatever reason). The idea that there's a new conflict going on and new characters are introduced to fight and win this conflict while Luke and Han and Leia are around is considered insulting to their characters. That's why "They messed up the OT characters!" complaints keep getting made. Look at how the reactions to Han and Luke dying were. And no, it isn't HOW they died it's just that they died at all. No one is suicidal enough to outright say "Rey's a girl, yuck." in today's environment. - -it's definitely how they died -Reys character sucks, but that's not the only problem with these movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 19:51:42 GMT
Well, they didn't. Especially not one made by Disney (for whatever reason). The idea that there's a new conflict going on and new characters are introduced to fight and win this conflict while Luke and Han and Leia are around is considered insulting to their characters. That's why "They messed up the OT characters!" complaints keep getting made. Look at how the reactions to Han and Luke dying were. And no, it isn't HOW they died it's just that they died at all. No one is suicidal enough to outright say "Rey's a girl, yuck." in today's environment. - -it's definitely how they died -Reys character sucks, but that's not the only problem with these movies. Han being some Fancy-Pants Republic Admiral dying in combat still would've been derided, and just more ammo hurled at Rey and Finn. "Oh, I get it! They're going to kill off the OT characters so the new ones get more focus! Now I have ANOTHER reason to hate Rey and Finn!" Same with Luke being some Jedi Grandmaster getting killed in an Epic battle with Snoke where the two of them become giant Force Spirits and battle it out in space. Just another thing to resent the ST over. Either Rey's some tagalong fangirl of Luke's who does nothing but get captured and screws up to make it clear Luke is still #1 and gets derided as being useless, she's Luke's daughter and gets derided for being cliche, or she's an independent character and gets derided for not being Luke's student or his daughter. You can't win, you just can't win.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2018 20:24:55 GMT
I did finally read through several pages of it. From what I found it's about 30% of the things you've made accusations about, 40% tops. Which is still enough. No it's not. 35% on 1 thread on 1 forum is not representative. And I've seen other forums where I would say the percentage that supports your accusations is somewhere between 10% and 20%. That's hardly a majority. I'm not responsible for your inability to face reality. The reality is that the majority of complainers post valid reasons that have nothing to do with your accusation list.
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