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Post by deembastille on Apr 4, 2018 20:10:34 GMT
if anyone can get a hold of a roofie then, yes.
and you do know that in order for us to be able to CITE sources/cases there have to be cases FILED AND REPORTED? its no good if no one reports it.
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Post by vegalyra on Apr 4, 2018 20:27:13 GMT
Here's an interesting extract from an 1880 North Carolina case that is still good law (as far as I know)...
North Carolina states that a woman cannot rape a man, but she can aid and abet a man in rape.
STATE v. LOVE ANN JONES 83 N.C. 605 Supreme Court of North Carolina
"The question presented in this case for review is, whether a woman, being incapable in and of herself to commit rape, can be convicted and punished on a bill charging a man with an assault with intent to commit a rape, and charging herself with being present, aiding, abetting and assisting. At common law, rape was a felony, and the rule was, that all persons who were present aiding, abetting and assisting a man to commit the offence, whether men or women, were principal offenders and might be indicted as such, or if not present in a legal sense, they might be guilty as accessories before or after the fact."
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 4, 2018 21:49:46 GMT
if anyone can get a hold of a roofie then, yes. and you do know that in order for us to be able to CITE sources/cases there have to be cases FILED AND REPORTED? its no good if no one reports it. It’s also no good to claim that it ever actually happens (since there is little or no evidence of it). |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 4, 2018 21:50:49 GMT
Your example also fails for aforementioned reasons. No it doesn't. Agree to disagree. |
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Post by deembastille on Apr 4, 2018 22:10:43 GMT
if anyone can get a hold of a roofie then, yes. and you do know that in order for us to be able to CITE sources/cases there have to be cases FILED AND REPORTED? its no good if no one reports it. It’s also no good to claim that it ever actually happens (since there is little or no evidence of it). ??? so if i get a roofie and take you out to a bar... slip you the roofie when you get up to use the loo... have you take me back to your place... you pass out/get all loopy... i do my thing and leave... you wake up feeling weird so you go to the er... they take a blood toxic screen... find the roofie remnants in your system and notify you of being roofied... you remember not me but where you were so the detective calls the bar and the bartender remembers us and gives the detective my name. the detective looks me up and calls me in for questioning the day after the incident and i come in and then am needed to take a gyno exam and not only does my body prove it has had vaginal intercourse within the past 24 hours, it also finds your sperm in the uterus/wherever. oh, I could have also slipped a condom on you and in a rush the get the hell out of there left it on you! ps. i went to college with a lovely gentleman [he really was a gentleman] and he was raped by a coed. so we have to blindly believe women but don't have to believe men? that's shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 22:19:01 GMT
So what exactly is the point of this thread? Why did you ask? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 4, 2018 23:42:35 GMT
tpfkar The charge, according to the article, was downgraded to "attempted" rape, but she still continued to have sex with him when he told her to get off him. How is that "attempted", if she continued on? Now, if it was the other way around, and he raped her, would he have gotten a 9 month sentence I wonder, if she told him to get off of her?  Plea deals are a problem all accross the board. Don't know how much input the victim had into it or if the prosecutors think it couldn't have been all that bad.
victim pleaPlea deals are a way of avoiding the inherent issues in both people's behavior in our society and the corrupt mechanism of the court system itself, and how hypocritical and criminal it is within. Trials can be costly and time consuming and if many people can't afford a top notch lawyer, this is also unfair in itself. I guess the prosecution is blind, and if they take rape of a female seriously, then why not the rape of a male by a female? There is no justice, when there is no equality. It's conditioning is only based on what the simpleton herd dictate and as if they genuinely care a man got raped by a woman. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 5, 2018 0:16:53 GMT
tpfkar Plea deals are a problem all accross the board. Don't know how much input the victim had into it or if the prosecutors think it couldn't have been all that bad.
victim pleaPlea deals are a way of avoiding the inherent issues in both people's behavior in our society and the corrupt mechanism of the court system itself, and how hypocritical and criminal it is within. Trials can be costly and time consuming and if many people can't afford a top notch lawyer, this is also unfair in itself. I guess the prosecution is blind, and if they take rape of a female seriously, then why not the rape of a male by a female? There is no justice, when there is no equality. It's conditioning is only based on what the simpleton herd dictate and as if they genuinely care a man got raped by a woman. Plea bargains are generally prosecutor billy clubs that aren't really different from blackmail. And female rapes, as tiny a percentage as they likely are, should be treated the same as male rapes of the same nature, violence, etc. But the patriarchy is still pretty ingrained in a lot of people, including prosecutors and sometimes even victims.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 5, 2018 0:19:32 GMT
It’s also no good to claim that it ever actually happens (since there is little or no evidence of it).  so if i get a roofie and take you out to a bar... slip you the roofie when you get up to use the loo... have you take me back to your place... you pass out/get all loopy... i do my thing and leave... you wake up feeling weird so you go to the er... they take a blood toxic screen... find the roofie remnants in your system and notify you of being roofied... you remember not me but where you were so the detective calls the bar and the bartender remembers us and gives the detective my name. the detective looks me up and calls me in for questioning the day after the incident and i come in and then am needed to take a gyno exam and not only does my body prove it has had vaginal intercourse within the past 24 hours, it also finds your sperm in the uterus/wherever. oh, I could have also slipped a condom on you and in a rush the get the hell out of there left it on you! Was that supposedly to be a question?  You can believe or disbelieve whomever you want. I’m sure you believe that some dude believes that he was raped. Doesn’t mean it actually happened though. People claim to have seen the Virgin Mary, or that Jesus spoke to them, or to have seen ghosts, or to have been abducted by aliens too. But claims are not evidence. Even in the few cases where a woman was said to have been “convicted” or rape, usually they were actually convicted of sexual assault or attempted rape, and there is little evidence of success. And even more telling is that the sentences they get are usually very disproportionate to the sentences men get when charged with similar crimes. No one has yet to address that. |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 5, 2018 0:21:40 GMT
So what exactly is the point of this thread? Why did you ask? I asked because I wanted to known other people’s opinion. But it’s not your opinion that I’m disagreeing with; it was the fact that your example failed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 0:34:38 GMT
So what exactly is the point of this thread? Why did you ask? I asked because I wanted to known other people’s opinion. If you wanted to know other people's opinion then why continue to post in the the thread arguing with them? Just read their opinions. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 5, 2018 0:36:35 GMT
tpfkar Plea deals are a way of avoiding the inherent issues in both people's behavior in our society and the corrupt mechanism of the court system itself, and how hypocritical and criminal it is within. Trials can be costly and time consuming and if many people can't afford a top notch lawyer, this is also unfair in itself. I guess the prosecution is blind, and if they take rape of a female seriously, then why not the rape of a male by a female? There is no justice, when there is no equality. It's conditioning is only based on what the simpleton herd dictate and as if they genuinely care a man got raped by a woman. Plea bargains are generally prosecutor billy clubs that aren't really different from blackmail. And female rapes, as tiny a percentage as they likely are, should be treated the same as male rapes of the same nature, violence, etc. But the patriarchy is still pretty ingrained in a lot of people, including prosecutors and sometimes even victims.
Male hitchhiker drugged, raped by two womenWell said! I like the analogy to blackmail. The court system is reflecting the ignorant herd's attitude, even if it is off-center, for fear of backlash and controversy in many things. They are supposed to be acting in the best interests of the people, but of course, it all becomes one big charade and circus. If a system or institution wants to promote equality, it needs to start practicing what it preaches, instead of being disloyal to it's own phony claims. |
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Post by deembastille on Apr 5, 2018 1:52:04 GMT
so if i get a roofie and take you out to a bar... slip you the roofie when you get up to use the loo... have you take me back to your place... you pass out/get all loopy... i do my thing and leave... you wake up feeling weird so you go to the er... they take a blood toxic screen... find the roofie remnants in your system and notify you of being roofied... you remember not me but where you were so the detective calls the bar and the bartender remembers us and gives the detective my name. the detective looks me up and calls me in for questioning the day after the incident and i come in and then am needed to take a gyno exam and not only does my body prove it has had vaginal intercourse within the past 24 hours, it also finds your sperm in the uterus/wherever. oh, I could have also slipped a condom on you and in a rush the get the hell out of there left it on you! Was that supposedly to be a question? You can believe or disbelieve whomever you want. I’m sure you believe that some dude believes that he was raped. Doesn’t mean it actually happened though. People claim to have seen the Virgin Mary, or that Jesus spoke to them, or to have seen ghosts, or to have been abducted by aliens too. But claims are not evidence. Even in the few cases where a woman was said to have been “convicted” or rape, usually they were actually convicted of sexual assault or attempted rape, and there is little evidence of success. And even more telling is that the sentences they get are usually very disproportionate to the sentences men get when charged with similar crimes. No one has yet to address that. since when has every single person CONVICTED of anything been ACTUALLY GUILTY OF THE CRIME THEY WERE CONVICTED OF? i am a woman and i think it's disgraceful that the guys have to prove themselves over and over and over again when women have been pulling that ovary card over and over again! it sucks and they make me embarrassed to be a part of that gender. |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 5, 2018 16:14:18 GMT
I asked because I wanted to known other people’s opinion. If you wanted to know other people's opinion then why continue to post in the the thread arguing with them? Just read their opinions. Very good; you read the first sentence in my previous response. Now, go back and read the second sentence that answers ^this now unnecessary question.  |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 5, 2018 16:15:42 GMT
Was that supposedly to be a question? You can believe or disbelieve whomever you want. I’m sure you believe that some dude believes that he was raped. Doesn’t mean it actually happened though. People claim to have seen the Virgin Mary, or that Jesus spoke to them, or to have seen ghosts, or to have been abducted by aliens too. But claims are not evidence. Even in the few cases where a woman was said to have been “convicted” or rape, usually they were actually convicted of sexual assault or attempted rape, and there is little evidence of success. And even more telling is that the sentences they get are usually very disproportionate to the sentences men get when charged with similar crimes. No one has yet to address that. since when has every single person CONVICTED of anything been ACTUALLY GUILTY OF THE CRIME THEY WERE CONVICTED OF? i am a woman and i think it's disgraceful that the guys have to prove themselves over and over and over again when women have been pulling that ovary card over and over again! it sucks and they make me embarrassed to be a part of that gender. Sounds like we are in agreement on this point. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 5, 2018 16:58:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 18:35:12 GMT
If you wanted to know other people's opinion then why continue to post in the the thread arguing with them? Just read their opinions. Very good; you read the first sentence in my previous response. Now, go back and read the second sentence that answers ^this now unnecessary question. No it doesn't. You claim wrongly that my examples were irrelevant. But why object? If all you are interested in is what my opinion is, then my opinion is that those examples are relevant. So you know my opinion. Why do you need to interject to claim that my opinion is wrong? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 5, 2018 18:59:41 GMT
I'm assuming Goz is the one "no" in the poll. Unless she finally looked up how the penis works.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 5, 2018 20:45:19 GMT
i am beginning to really dislike the cappy here. asks an opinion question. proves we who differ are all wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 21:02:59 GMT
i am beginning to really dislike the cappy here. asks an opinion question. proves we who differ are all wrong. It feels very much like he's thinking "I bet people can't come up with examples! Because it's impossible for women to rape men!" but doesn't want to actually come out and say so. But it's just a feeling. Maybe I'm wrong. |
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