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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 1, 2018 23:44:20 GMT
Having Finn an Imperial....I mean first order spy. When Rose, Finn and DJ arrive on the imperial/first order ship they're instantly captured with Finn revealing his true allegiance. He kills DJ and has Rose beg for her life before he ends it.
Missed opportunity for a twist that would have probably pissed people off.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2018 0:19:52 GMT
Having Finn an Imperial....I mean first order spy. When Rose, Finn and DJ arrive on the imperial/first order ship they're instantly captured with Finn revealing his true allegiance. He kills DJ and has Rose beg for her life before he ends it. Missed opportunity for a twist that would have probably pissed people off. It wouldn't work because it's not an opportunity to kill off an OT character or a character whose name rhymes with smoke... and that's all they care about right now.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 3:59:21 GMT
That, and having the only major black character be a turncoat wouldn't fly well.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 2, 2018 11:50:15 GMT
That, and having the only major black character be a turncoat wouldn't fly well. Well I did say it would upset people. But that twist would be worth it! No one would have seen it coming because of the whole diversity thing!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 11:54:16 GMT
That, and having the only major black character be a turncoat wouldn't fly well. It would fly better than having him turn out the janitor, and having him being elecrocuted by females for offenses (theft, cowardice) in every movie crying crap like Droid Please!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 11:57:53 GMT
That, and having the only major black character be a turncoat wouldn't fly well. It would fly better than having him turn out the janitor, It really wouldn't, no. So you're against women being able to punish someone for actual offenses.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 12:03:13 GMT
Having Finn an Imperial....I mean first order spy. When Rose, Finn and DJ arrive on the imperial/first order ship they're instantly captured with Finn revealing his true allegiance. He kills DJ and has Rose beg for her life before he ends it. Missed opportunity for a twist that would have probably pissed people off. we discussed about a mole-reveal and red wedding-like scene on IMDb, but it would create plot holes with how Finn was depicted in TFA especially in the first scenes and his s fight with Kylo and him giving-up Starkiller tech secrets (janitors are always in the picture of that). The only thing I can advocate for 9 is that they do it Clone- or Total Recall-like: Finn has been programmed to infiltrate and undermine but does not know, at some point his programming makes him a Trooper-agent again ready to Order 66 (Rey). But then, he had so many great opportunities to destroy the pitiful little band of resistance fighters. Also, it needs balls and stakes, it would be played like an ineffective twist like in Hunger Games with Katniss's baker boy squeeze.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 12:06:17 GMT
It would fly better than having him turn out the janitor, It really wouldn't, no. Silliest reply ever. Even sillier! Jeez, the must invent new grammar superlatives for you, sam.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 12:11:31 GMT
No, just sensible. Making Finn into a turncoat because you dislike they didn't make him some invincible warrior. Even sillier![/quote] Nah, just pointing out the implication that you dislike it when women punish someone for anything.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 12:42:58 GMT
wrong, false dilemma and straw man, and no ideas (perfect Mavel fan): Turning him into an interesting character who is congruent (in line) with his background, not a MVU Fragglerock clown. Finn as childhood soldier should have experienced post traumatic stuff and difficulties in adjusting his morality like we saw in Cone Wars, Rebels and the Comics. He should have had issues killing his brothers (child soldiers like him) not yeeeehaaah-ing it when shooting them. Heck, the terminator - a machine - was better written becoming a human! I wonder with reading comprehension like this, how you survive? The problem is he is a black character who is falsely accused of offenses and electrocuted for it for laughs. In TFA it's even a dog-like droid doing it, bad implication with a black character essentially embodying the runaway slave trope. And in a state of law NOBODY is entitled to punish anybody, genius, unless it's the state or somebody acting as its representative.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 12:54:55 GMT
Turning him into an interesting character Which he was, you just couldn't get by him being secondary to Rey. This is her story first and foremost. No worse than any silly things that happened to any OT character.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 2, 2018 13:46:25 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke.
And for what? For Rey to be the star? I'm sorry if this comes off sexist or even misogynistic of me but I need more to character other than she has a vagina. I don't understand how Rey became so beloved, especially with the actress portraying her is so bland.
There's far better female characters in the Star Wars lore, especially in the EU.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 13:52:16 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke. And for what? For Rey to be the star? Well, yes. They wanted to avoid how in the OT Luke was the blandest of the characters. Hardly anymore than Mark Hamill was in the first SW movie. It helps no one was out to hate any of them right from Day One.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 2, 2018 14:11:55 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke. And for what? For Rey to be the star? Well, yes. They wanted to avoid how in the OT Luke was the blandest of the characters. Hardly anymore than Mark Hamill was in the first SW movie. It helps no one was out to hate any of them right from Day One. I agree with you about Mark Hamill. Especially in A New Hope. He wasn't my favorite growing up. Hell Han and Chewbacca were my favorites growing up. But at least with Empire and Jedi Luke gotten better as a character. My biggest hope for Episode 8 was that Rey would evolve into a more interesting character. Someone that I wanted to root for in the end. The Last Jedi failed with that and it failed with Finn and Poe as well. Then they had the nerve to throw in Rose as another supporting character. I didn't love Episode 7 but I was probably the only one on imdb and imdbv2 who was willing to give Rey a second chance and they blew it. Now with episode 9 I only have Chewbacca to look forward too.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 14:14:15 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke. And for what? For Rey to be the star? I'm sorry if this comes off sexist or even misogynistic of me but I need more to character other than she has a vagina. I don't understand how Rey became so beloved, especially with the actress portraying her is so bland. There's far better female characters in the Star Wars lore, especially in the EU. The interesting thing would be character dynamics, how different character grow together and compensate each other weaknesses. This is what good writing is about. Not so here, here we have one character written as a Mary Sue and the other as her inferior cheerleader demonstrating how great the Sue is: - Finn despite being a trained soldier cannot fly spaceships (Rey can like nobody before), cannot speak languages (Wookie, and droid please), cannot do repairs (No,no,no,no no!!!), cannot fight and must be saved all the time. - Or with Kylo, beating him numerous times untrained with Force skills and with the saber. - It's essentially the same with Han too, she shows him how his ship works and how it can be imroved, and can complete his sentences because she will inherit his captain position within a few hours, with Chewie as her copilot (though she never flew in outer space before). - And incredibly with Luke too: Rey beats him, the failed sinner, and steals the sacred texts from him so that she can be the new Master Jedi of the new Jedi order, despite being untrained with everything (Yoda and Luke approve). It's the worst, unplausibly amateurish MS writing ever!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 14:54:43 GMT
These MCU fans really know how to...
...oh wait. They don't know shit.
Carry on.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 15:07:47 GMT
These MCU fans really know how to... ...oh wait. They don't know shit. Carry on. amazing, that took me a lot longer. Small correction: They don't know shit raccoon turd. The center of their gospel is this short scene: Most impressive, isn't it? Now guess where all this amazing humor in TLJ stems from.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 15:29:17 GMT
These MCU fans really know how to... ...oh wait. They don't know shit. Carry on. Exactly. Well said.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 2, 2018 15:42:12 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke. And for what? For Rey to be the star? I'm sorry if this comes off sexist or even misogynistic of me but I need more to character other than she has a vagina. I don't understand how Rey became so beloved, especially with the actress portraying her is so bland. There's far better female characters in the Star Wars lore, especially in the EU. The interesting thing would be character dynamics, how different character grow together and compensate each other weaknesses. This is what good writing is about. Not so here, here we have one character written as a Mary Sue and the other as her inferior cheerleader demonstrating how great the Sue is: - Finn despite being a trained soldier cannot fly spaceships (Rey can like nobody before), cannot speak languages (Wookie, and droid please), cannot do repairs (No,no,no,no no!!!), cannot fight and must be saved all the time. - Or with Kylo, beating him numerous times untrained with Force skills and with the saber. - It's essentially the same with Han too, she shows him how his ship works and how it can be imroved, and can complete his sentences because she will inherit his captain position within a few hours, with Chewie as her copilot (though she never flew in outer space before). - And incredibly with Luke too: Rey beats him, the failed sinner, and steals the sacred texts from him so that she can be the new Master Jedi of the new Jedi order, despite being untrained with everything (Yoda and Luke approve). It's the worst, unplausibly amateurish MS writing ever!!! I mean I hate to sound like a broken record but it's all because Disney wanted to remake Star Wars but rather than, you know, be up and front about it. They tried to do it in a way that they felt like it wouldn't piss off the die hard fans. The original characters were brought in to sell the film's, to get the fanboys, us, excited for it. Once we realized their true intentions we called them out on it. But of course the Disney shills, the hipsters and soyboys like Will Wheaton wanna play cheerleaders and defend this cancer that's killing the franchise. Episode 9 will probably be my last Star Wars film.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 2, 2018 16:12:57 GMT
The interesting thing would be character dynamics, how different character grow together and compensate each other weaknesses. This is what good writing is about. Not so here, here we have one character written as a Mary Sue and the other as her inferior cheerleader demonstrating how great the Sue is: - Finn despite being a trained soldier cannot fly spaceships (Rey can like nobody before), cannot speak languages (Wookie, and droid please), cannot do repairs (No,no,no,no no!!!), cannot fight and must be saved all the time. - Or with Kylo, beating him numerous times untrained with Force skills and with the saber. - It's essentially the same with Han too, she shows him how his ship works and how it can be imroved, and can complete his sentences because she will inherit his captain position within a few hours, with Chewie as her copilot (though she never flew in outer space before). - And incredibly with Luke too: Rey beats him, the failed sinner, and steals the sacred texts from him so that she can be the new Master Jedi of the new Jedi order, despite being untrained with everything (Yoda and Luke approve). It's the worst, unplausibly amateurish MS writing ever!!! I mean I hate to sound like a broken record but it's all because Disney wanted to remake Star Wars but rather than, you know, be up and front about it. They tried to do it in a way that they felt like it wouldn't piss off the die hard fans. The original characters were brought in to sell the film's, to get the fanboys, us, excited for it. Once we realized their true intentions we called them out on it. But of course the Disney shills, the hipsters and soyboys like Will Wheaton wanna play cheerleaders and defend this cancer that's killing the franchise. Episode 9 will probably be my last Star Wars film.Don't bother, Ep 9 might be the last Star Wars if the disillusionment of the fanbase continues to erode this rapidly, a franchise like this is nurtured by the built-in fanbase unless they build up a new one. I don't see SW becoming a big hit with women and children yet, the toy sales are alarming. Funny how quickly the wind changes, when TFA came out the haters were the minority, two years later the fanboys seem the minority. Ep 9' impact will be very exiting to see.
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