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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 13:14:09 GMT
hahahahahaaha! The logic! THE LOGIC! It's sound logic if you operate on the belief that OT fans are just that Toxic and would never accept a proper continuation and ESPECIALLY hate the idea of new characters taking over who weren't portrayed as incompetent sidekicks to the OT characters for years and years. And they hate the idea of there being new threats the OT characters couldn't handle on their own. And that the New Republic wasn't unbeatable. You know, basic "stuck in the past" types. Proper continuation would be nice. Oh well. The main arc is dead at this point. Maybe the secondary stories can still be exciting or interesting, but I wont be spending my money to test that idea...
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 13:50:26 GMT
Hated for existing, by toxic OT fans who can't accept that ROTJ wasn't some absolute Happily Ever After. If you think only the OT characters deserve to exist and be the only heroes and no one else should ever be created to have their own stories because OT fans are so thin skinned the mere idea of stories set after the OT and new heroes for these stories are repellent. No!If you're smart enough to see the writing sucks and most of the characters came from the Disney channel. Obviously you're not smart enough to see that. The ST is crap. It's crap from the POV of an OT fans who wanted things to be Happily Ever After for the OT characters and for them to never be challenged or eventually pass the torch to anyone else. For there to never be any other adventures for any other characters not created by George Lucas and ESPECIALLY never have these new characters interact with the OT characters without the new characters being portrayed as useless sidekicks just so the OT characters can maintain their dominance of the screen and the Saga. Basically, the POV of someone whose head is buried in the past.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
It's sound logic if you operate on the belief that OT fans are just that Toxic and would never accept a proper continuation and ESPECIALLY hate the idea of new characters taking over who weren't portrayed as incompetent sidekicks to the OT characters for years and years. And they hate the idea of there being new threats the OT characters couldn't handle on their own. And that the New Republic wasn't unbeatable. You know, basic "stuck in the past" types. Proper continuation would be nice. Sure, "proper" meaning that the OT characters are still the leads and anyone new has to be a useless tagalong who exists to mock the idea of new characters taking over at any point ever. Oh, and to preserve the ending of ROTJ there can never be any new threats or enemies that aren't instantly dealt with by the OT characters while the ST characters do nothing but gush over them and/or screw up and necessitate the OT characters to always save them at every turn just to make it abundantly clear they're the only ones allowed to be competent leads and the ST characters will never be anything but useless tagalongs and they'll never ever get to be leads. Any ST characters who ARE allowed to be leads must immediately be killed off just to insult the new audience members who enjoyed them and rub it in their faces that the OT characters aren't going anywhere and will never have to share the spotlight with anyone else for long.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 14:02:50 GMT
Proper continuation would be nice. Sure, "proper" meaning that the OT characters are still the leads and anyone new has to be a useless tagalong who exists to mock the idea of new characters taking over at any point ever. Oh, and to preserve the ending of ROTJ there can never be any new threats or enemies that aren't instantly dealt with by the OT characters while the ST characters do nothing but gush over them and/or screw up and necessitate the OT characters to always save them at every turn just to make it abundantly clear they're the only ones allowed to be competent leads and the ST characters will never be anything but useless tagalongs and they'll never ever get to be leads. Any ST characters who ARE allowed to be leads must immediately be killed off just to insult the new audience members who enjoyed them and rub it in their faces that the OT characters aren't going anywhere and will never have to share the spotlight with anyone else for long.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 14:13:24 GMT
Sure, "proper" meaning that the OT characters are still the leads and anyone new has to be a useless tagalong who exists to mock the idea of new characters taking over at any point ever. Oh, and to preserve the ending of ROTJ there can never be any new threats or enemies that aren't instantly dealt with by the OT characters while the ST characters do nothing but gush over them and/or screw up and necessitate the OT characters to always save them at every turn just to make it abundantly clear they're the only ones allowed to be competent leads and the ST characters will never be anything but useless tagalongs and they'll never ever get to be leads. Any ST characters who ARE allowed to be leads must immediately be killed off just to insult the new audience members who enjoyed them and rub it in their faces that the OT characters aren't going anywhere and will never have to share the spotlight with anyone else for long. It's what the EU did, it made sure the OT characters were the only real leads, always had every threat be easily and swiftly defeated and regularly mocked the idea of "passing the torch" because the idea that the OT cast would someday step down was utterly repugnant. You're referencing Rogue One, which did EXACTLY what I said. It introduced new characters that could have carried their own stories and killed them all off just to rub it in modern audiences' faces that the OT leads were the ONLY leads allowed to have a continued existence. The ST decided to turn the tables and rub it in the OT audiences' faces that the OT characters were being replaced and naturally OT fans lost it because it's only okay if THEY do it someone else.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 14:17:17 GMT
It's what the EU did, it made sure the OT characters were the only real leads, always had every threat be easily and swiftly defeated and regularly mocked the idea of "passing the torch" because the idea that the OT cast would someday step down was utterly repugnant. You're referencing Rogue One, which did EXACTLY what I said. It introduced new characters that could have carried their own stories and killed them all off just to rub it in modern audiences' faces that the OT leads were the ONLY leads allowed to have a continued existence. The ST decided to turn the tables and rub it in the OT audiences' faces that the OT characters were being replaced and naturally OT fans lost it because it's only okay if THEY do it someone else.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 14:22:14 GMT
It's what the EU did, it made sure the OT characters were the only real leads, always had every threat be easily and swiftly defeated and regularly mocked the idea of "passing the torch" because the idea that the OT cast would someday step down was utterly repugnant. You're referencing Rogue One, which did EXACTLY what I said. It introduced new characters that could have carried their own stories and killed them all off just to rub it in modern audiences' faces that the OT leads were the ONLY leads allowed to have a continued existence. The ST decided to turn the tables and rub it in the OT audiences' faces that the OT characters were being replaced and naturally OT fans lost it because it's only okay if THEY do it someone else. Nah, OT fans just don't like having their toxicity pointed out. Leave it to them, Rey and Finn would've gotten their own movie with no OT characters in it and then have them show up in the ST proper just to be killed off while Han and Luke remain the leads just so rub it in Rey and Finns' fans faces.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 14:32:42 GMT
Nah, OT fans just don't like having their toxicity pointed out. Leave it to them, Rey and Finn would've gotten their own movie with no OT characters in it and then have them show up in the ST proper just to be killed off while Han and Luke remain the leads just so rub it in Rey and Finns' fans faces.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 14:46:49 GMT
Nah, OT fans just don't like having their toxicity pointed out. Leave it to them, Rey and Finn would've gotten their own movie with no OT characters in it and then have them show up in the ST proper just to be killed off while Han and Luke remain the leads just so rub it in Rey and Finns' fans faces. Rey and Finn never stood a chance of being accepted by OT Fans, not if they were going to be leads in their own right instead of just useless sidekicks to Luke and Han and whoever. Their only chance of OT fans liking them at all would be if they died in Force Awakens while the film smugly shoved Han and Luke in our faces as the leads. You want to prove that's a lie, give me an example of the EU giving us new protagonists who took over from Luke and co while Luke and co were removed from the series.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 17:35:03 GMT
Rey and Finn never stood a chance of being accepted by OT Fans, not if they were going to be leads in their own right instead of just useless sidekicks to Luke and Han and whoever. Their only chance of OT fans liking them at all would be if they died in Force Awakens while the film smugly shoved Han and Luke in our faces as the leads. You want to prove that's a lie, give me an example of the EU giving us new protagonists who took over from Luke and co while Luke and co were removed from the series. Ya, totally the only way, preach it!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 18:21:48 GMT
Rey and Finn never stood a chance of being accepted by OT Fans, not if they were going to be leads in their own right instead of just useless sidekicks to Luke and Han and whoever. Their only chance of OT fans liking them at all would be if they died in Force Awakens while the film smugly shoved Han and Luke in our faces as the leads. You want to prove that's a lie, give me an example of the EU giving us new protagonists who took over from Luke and co while Luke and co were removed from the series. Ya, totally the only way, preach it! Like I said, the EU also refused to create new leads and always fell back to Luke and co.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 18:45:36 GMT
Rey and Finn never stood a chance of being accepted by OT Fans, not if they were going to be leads in their own right instead of just useless sidekicks to Luke and Han and whoever. Their only chance of OT fans liking them at all would be if they died in Force Awakens while the film smugly shoved Han and Luke in our faces as the leads. You want to prove that's a lie, give me an example of the EU giving us new protagonists who took over from Luke and co while Luke and co were removed from the series. You can keep saying that, but you can't prove it. You can't even make an argument of high probability for it! It's not supported by comments of OT fans on forums... so that means all the things you just said are...
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 18:48:21 GMT
Rey and Finn never stood a chance of being accepted by OT Fans, not if they were going to be leads in their own right instead of just useless sidekicks to Luke and Han and whoever. Their only chance of OT fans liking them at all would be if they died in Force Awakens while the film smugly shoved Han and Luke in our faces as the leads. You want to prove that's a lie, give me an example of the EU giving us new protagonists who took over from Luke and co while Luke and co were removed from the series. You can keep saying that, but you can't prove it Then show me where in the EU they make new characters to take over the storyline and retire Luke and co.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 19:01:26 GMT
You can keep saying that, but you can't prove it Then show me where in the EU they make new characters to take over the storyline and retire Luke and co. Look up Cade Skywalker for starters...
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 19:09:10 GMT
Then show me where in the EU they make new characters to take over the storyline and retire Luke and co. Look up Cade Skywalker for starters... He's some distant character who has his adventures ages down the line from the OT characters. There's no passing the Torch because they died long before he was even born. It's the no-win thing I talked about, if the ST had done that and never brought back the OT characters the OT fans would feel ripped off for waiting all those years for nothing.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 19:34:04 GMT
Look up Cade Skywalker for starters... He's some distant character who has his adventures ages down the line from the OT characters. There's no passing the Torch because they died long before he was even born. It's the no-win thing I talked about, if the ST had done that and never brought back the OT characters the OT fans would feel ripped off for waiting all those years for nothing. Bull crap! You asked for an example, I gave you one. And there's also Jaina and Anakin Solo. Mara Jade. Kyle Katarn. You can come up with all the lame excuses to discredit them that you want to... You challenged the notion, and you just got burned! Better go get a fire extinguisher and put the flames out on your Rey costume!
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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 19:34:46 GMT
Proper continuation would be nice. Sure, "proper" meaning that the OT characters are still the leads and anyone new has to be a useless tagalong who exists to mock the idea of new characters taking over at any point ever. Oh, and to preserve the ending of ROTJ there can never be any new threats or enemies that aren't instantly dealt with by the OT characters while the ST characters do nothing but gush over them and/or screw up and necessitate the OT characters to always save them at every turn just to make it abundantly clear they're the only ones allowed to be competent leads and the ST characters will never be anything but useless tagalongs and they'll never ever get to be leads. Any ST characters who ARE allowed to be leads must immediately be killed off just to insult the new audience members who enjoyed them and rub it in their faces that the OT characters aren't going anywhere and will never have to share the spotlight with anyone else for long. No, that's not what I mean. Stop rambling like an idiot.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 19:42:01 GMT
He's some distant character who has his adventures ages down the line from the OT characters. There's no passing the Torch because they died long before he was even born. It's the no-win thing I talked about, if the ST had done that and never brought back the OT characters the OT fans would feel ripped off for waiting all those years for nothing. Bull crap! You asked for an example, I gave you one. You gave me one of someone set so far ahead that Luke and co were already long gone. That's not an example. All either killed off to maintain the OT's casts dominance, or never really written as leads. Just sidekicks or secondaries to the OT cast.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 19:44:01 GMT
Bull crap! You asked for an example, I gave you one. You gave me one of someone set so far ahead that Luke and co were already long gone. That's not an example. All either killed off to maintain the OT's casts dominance, or never really written as leads. Just sidekicks or secondaries to the OT cast. ramblerambleramblerambleramble. You aren't important.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 19:44:18 GMT
Sure, "proper" meaning that the OT characters are still the leads and anyone new has to be a useless tagalong who exists to mock the idea of new characters taking over at any point ever. Oh, and to preserve the ending of ROTJ there can never be any new threats or enemies that aren't instantly dealt with by the OT characters while the ST characters do nothing but gush over them and/or screw up and necessitate the OT characters to always save them at every turn just to make it abundantly clear they're the only ones allowed to be competent leads and the ST characters will never be anything but useless tagalongs and they'll never ever get to be leads. Any ST characters who ARE allowed to be leads must immediately be killed off just to insult the new audience members who enjoyed them and rub it in their faces that the OT characters aren't going anywhere and will never have to share the spotlight with anyone else for long. No, that's not what I mean. Stop rambling like an idiot. The OT characters were not written as people who would ever need replacing, so to maintain that the ST characters must either be useless or killed off ASAP otherwise they threaten the OT cast and the OT cast are no longer as awesome as they used to be. And no amount of reasoning from the writers could be enough to get the OT fan audience to accept that the OT cast could ever be in need of replacing if they're portrayed exactly they way they were in the OT.
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