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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 6, 2018 1:08:54 GMT
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 6, 2018 1:10:17 GMT
And you're asking me to prove something?!? Laughable! The burden of proof that they don't hate the ST characters for existing is on OT fans. You said there were fans who were fine with the idea of Luke and Rey co-existing without Rey getting sidelined, so prove it and prove that it's not really "Luke comes back and schools Rey or she becomes his incompetent sidekick or gets captured and has to be a damsel for Luke to rescue." No. Sorry. Actually the burden of proof lies upon you! Haven't you heard the saying "Innocent until proven guilty." You have yet to prove the vague, baseless reasons you claim OT fans have for not liking the trilogy. I saw more reasons on that link you gave me that back my claims than yours. You just choose to put blinders on and ignore them. But you can go to any SW forum (theforce.net for example) and see that they back most (if not all) of my claims. Of course you have take criticism at face value instead of reinterpreting into something it doesn't even say to support your argument (which you do all of the time).
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 6, 2018 1:21:24 GMT
Keep that out of Star Wars. It's bad enough we got a "can you hear me now?" Joke from Poe.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 6, 2018 1:29:02 GMT
Keep that out of Star Wars. It's bad enough we got a "can you hear me now?" Joke from Poe. Star Wars is a big joke as it is. "Oops!" was also a ridiculous modern remark in the PT. I think there are a couple that slip into the OT too, cant think of them at the moment. Oh yeah, the Tarzan yell.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 1:39:20 GMT
The burden of proof that they don't hate the ST characters for existing is on OT fans. You said there were fans who were fine with the idea of Luke and Rey co-existing without Rey getting sidelined, so prove it and prove that it's not really "Luke comes back and schools Rey or she becomes his incompetent sidekick or gets captured and has to be a damsel for Luke to rescue." No. Sorry. Actually the burden of proof lies upon you! Haven't you heard the saying "Innocent until proven guilty." You have yet to prove the vague, baseless reasons you claim OT fans have for not liking the trilogy. I saw more reasons on that link you gave me that back my claims than yours. You just choose to put blinders on and ignore them. But you can go to any SW forum (theforce.net for example) and see that they back most (if not all) of my claims. Of course you have take criticism at face value instead of reinterpreting into something it doesn't even say to support your argument (which you do all of the time). You bring up that I posted a link to at least back up something. So now you do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 17:24:08 GMT
Finn had potential for a interesting character, especially with the whole Storm Trooper background. But they play him off as a joke. And for what? For Rey to be the star? I'm sorry if this comes off sexist or even misogynistic of me but I need more to character other than she has a vagina. I don't understand how Rey became so beloved, especially with the actress portraying her is so bland. There's far better female characters in the Star Wars lore, especially in the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 17:30:14 GMT
Finn is the most wasted character of the trilogy for sure. When I first heard about a Stormtrooper being one of protagonists I thought the idea was brilliant. But JJ totally wasted it by giving him zero depth and turning him into a pathetic joke. This got even worse in TLJ. I had to laugh when he hit his head on the Bacta tank. They just couldn't let him have any dignity whatsoever.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 6, 2018 22:37:56 GMT
Finn is the most wasted character of the trilogy for sure. When I first heard about a Stormtrooper being one of protagonists I thought the idea was brilliant. But JJ totally wasted it by giving him zero depth and turning him into a pathetic joke. This got even worse in TLJ. I had to laugh when he hit his head on the Bacta tank. They just couldn't let him have any dignity whatsoever. I think you just inspired my next original thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 23:11:49 GMT
Finn is the most wasted character of the trilogy for sure. When I first heard about a Stormtrooper being one of protagonists I thought the idea was brilliant. But JJ totally wasted it by giving him zero depth and turning him into a pathetic joke. This got even worse in TLJ. I had to laugh when he hit his head on the Bacta tank. They just couldn't let him have any dignity whatsoever. I think you just inspired my next original thread. I made a thread about Finn's disappointing role in TFA a while back. I'll bump it...
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 18, 2018 11:52:18 GMT
They did more damage than good and divided the fans. Rehashing was just lazy no risk at all. Instead of taking advantage of the big universe they took the easy way out. NOT taking the easy way out would've probably led to a bomb. The prequels screwed things up enough that trying something different (and it isn't like Wars lends itself to a large variety of storytelling possibilities) would've been too risky right off the bat. I know that your account been banned and that I'm essentially about to yell at a corpse, but I need to get this off my chest. Everything you said is wrong. EVERYTHING! the "lazy way out" was rehashing OT. Disney did more harm than good by not only turning 7 into a rehash of 4 but even TLJ, which is considered to be a "original" film, suffered from it. Now I'm not going to pretend that the fanbase is easy to please because some of them can't, that's just how it goes in fandoms. But I can't believe you actually think that creating a new story and ideas is "lazy" You know what? I'm fucking glad you're banned, fucking autistic piece of shit.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 21, 2018 13:29:14 GMT
NOT taking the easy way out would've probably led to a bomb. The prequels screwed things up enough that trying something different (and it isn't like Wars lends itself to a large variety of storytelling possibilities) would've been too risky right off the bat. I know that your account been banned and that I'm essentially about to yell at a corpse, but I need to get this off my chest. Everything you said is wrong. EVERYTHING! the "lazy way out" was rehashing OT. Disney did more harm than good by not only turning 7 into a rehash of 4 but even TLJ, which is considered to be a "original" film, suffered from it. Now I'm not going to pretend that the fanbase is easy to please because some of them can't, that's just how it goes in fandoms. But I can't believe you actually think that creating a new story and ideas is "lazy" You know what? I'm fucking glad you're banned, fucking autistic piece of shit. Whoa! This is your best post ever.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 21, 2018 14:00:26 GMT
I know that your account been banned and that I'm essentially about to yell at a corpse, but I need to get this off my chest. Everything you said is wrong. EVERYTHING! the "lazy way out" was rehashing OT. Disney did more harm than good by not only turning 7 into a rehash of 4 but even TLJ, which is considered to be a "original" film, suffered from it. Now I'm not going to pretend that the fanbase is easy to please because some of them can't, that's just how it goes in fandoms. But I can't believe you actually think that creating a new story and ideas is "lazy" You know what? I'm fucking glad you're banned, fucking autistic piece of shit. Whoa! This is your best post ever. and yet his aggravating stupidity increased traffic here significantly. formersam was not the troll this forum deserves but the one it needs.
The perfect punishment for his doxxergate misdeeds would be to permanently ban him from the 3 modded CBM forums, but to allow him to plague other v2 forums.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 21, 2018 17:59:54 GMT
Whoa! This is your best post ever. and yet his aggravating stupidity increased traffic here significantly. formersam was not the troll this forum deserves but the one it needs.
The perfect punishment for his doxxergate misdeeds would be to permanently ban him from the 3 modded CBM forums, but to allow him to plague other v2 forums.
Except, not this one either.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 21, 2018 19:34:20 GMT
the big problem is tht they waited tool ong to make sequels. 30 years. sequels should be made in the early 90s. ansd rotj should have ben written on a more cliffhanger ending to set up seqels better.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 21, 2018 20:13:39 GMT
the big problem is tht they waited tool ong to make sequels. 30 years. sequels should be made in the early 90s. ansd rotj should have ben written on a more cliffhanger ending to set up seqels better. Too bad we just had this same conversation over at Raptor's board where you said the literal exact same thing, Sam. ETA: Whoops.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 2:00:59 GMT
NOT taking the easy way out would've probably led to a bomb. The prequels screwed things up enough that trying something different (and it isn't like Wars lends itself to a large variety of storytelling possibilities) would've been too risky right off the bat. I know that your account been banned and that I'm essentially about to yell at a corpse, but I need to get this off my chest. Everything you said is wrong. EVERYTHING! the "lazy way out" was rehashing OT. Disney did more harm than good by not only turning 7 into a rehash of 4 but even TLJ, which is considered to be a "original" film, suffered from it. Now I'm not going to pretend that the fanbase is easy to please because some of them can't, that's just how it goes in fandoms. But I can't believe you actually think that creating a new story and ideas is "lazy" You know what? I'm fucking glad you're banned, fucking autistic piece of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 2:14:55 GMT
Having Finn an Imperial....I mean first order spy. When Rose, Finn and DJ arrive on the imperial/first order ship they're instantly captured with Finn revealing his true allegiance. He kills DJ and has Rose beg for her life before he ends it. Missed opportunity for a twist that would have probably pissed people off. It's a great idea, but it wouldn't work given the scene where he gets all freaked out during the assault on not-Tattooine at the start of the Force Awakens. That scene clearly establishes him as having a freakout, and there's no reason for it to be there if he's really a spy, because there's no need for him to be fooling the other not-Empire troops. You'd also have to wonder why he tried so hard to blow up the not-Death-Star and then kill not-Vader if he's actually on their side. I wouldn't buy "oh I was working with the rebels to establish credibility" if it included helping them to blow up your key superweapon and try to kill the second most important guy in the not-Empire. But if they'd rewritten the part so it only looked like he was helping, when he was actually playing the rebels all along, that would have been a pretty awesome twist. But then that would have required them to have a trilogy plan that they'd thought out in advance and were willing to stick to no matter what an individual director wanted. Like Marvel does. But the Star Wars head honcho doesn't seem to care for that approach.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 22, 2018 11:45:02 GMT
the big problem is tht they waited tool ong to make sequels. 30 years. sequels should be made in the early 90s. ansd rotj should have ben written on a more cliffhanger ending to set up seqels better. Too bad we just had this same conversation over at Raptor's board where you said the literal exact same thing, Sam. ETA: Whoops. a lot of peopel think sequls this late was a bad idea. i cantb e the only one person here who tinks so.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 22, 2018 13:08:47 GMT
Having Finn an Imperial....I mean first order spy. When Rose, Finn and DJ arrive on the imperial/first order ship they're instantly captured with Finn revealing his true allegiance. He kills DJ and has Rose beg for her life before he ends it. Missed opportunity for a twist that would have probably pissed people off. But then that would have required them to have a trilogy plan that they'd thought out in advance and were willing to stick to no matter what an individual director wanted. Like Marvel does. But the Star Wars head honcho doesn't seem to care for that approach. as always, marvelously thought through:
Like with Thor where each movie contradicted the other, not to forget Thor:Fragglerock following Guardians where Thor suddenly becomes a hipster comedien and cry-baby when getting a hair cut, Loki becomes a bumbling sidekick; and where set ups, characters and and themes are dropped such as the Jane romance, Earth, Lokis take over etc?
Like with Cap3 where the last film is about Avengers Civil war, IM's mommy issues and Spider & Panther origins and the Hydra story is completely dropped neve rto be seen again?
Like in IronMan where the mang goes through his jerk-arc several times only to blow up the suits, but to immediately be at it again in the next one?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 22, 2018 13:11:23 GMT
Too bad we just had this same conversation over at Raptor's board where you said the literal exact same thing, Sam. ETA: Whoops. a lot of peopel think sequls this late was a bad idea. i cantb e the only one person here who tinks so. Gollum, Gollum, what happened to your Precious?
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