Mark Millar says the bulk of D.C. roster is not "Cinematic".

Agreed. Superman II is a great movie because it deals with Clark wanting to have a normal life as Clark Kent but having to give that up because the world needed Superman. That's also why Spider-Man 2 is the best Spider-Man movie ever. Spider-Man 2 is similar to Superman II in that Peter Parker wanted to have a normal life but had to give that up because New York needed Spider-Man.

And that's also 1 of the best parts in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, which had a great scene of Bruce Wayne at his parents grave and was torn inside because he had made a promise to his parents but he had fallen in love with Andrea Beaumont and he wanted to have a normal life.

And that's why MCU movies will never be as good as Superman II or Spider-Man 2.



Agreed.

Pretty bad movie if you're looking for a heroic individual.

Same with Bruce Wayne in MOTP, there are other heroes who have suffered the way he has (worse) and they haven't let it turn them into grim bitter obsessive borderline psychotics who think they can't be happy. Bruce is simply stuck in an infantile mindset.

The MCU specializes in actual flawed characters who aren't afraid to keep their flaws while being heroes while DC sticks with the "flawless paragon" approach that isn't terribly interesting anymore.

It is frankly unbelieveable how much you have to have things in movies spoon fed to you.
It might help if you didn't judge films n the dodgy online copies you watch (oh wait...you did see SMH in the theatres straight away...you know, that time you posted that you went to see it to kill time while your car was repaired...oh wait, my bad, you let slip later you watched it online when t came out)

Doesn't mean he has money...we already know he digs in dumpsters for his tech.  He has to ask Aunt May for money to buy a new back pack

only because it was thought ne might bring Spider-Man

eventually.  Of course you ignore the fact that for the most of the film he is actually too shy and has too low self esteem to actually consider he might have a chance to date the girl he thinks is too good for him


She got a ball of sticky rice...to go with the meal she ordered!!!!!  They are not exactly surviving on the good will of strangers and getting everything for free.  

Oh and you ignore the fact that he is constantly humiliated by the school bully.  But of course you did...it wouldn't help your argument.  No change there then eh?


For a boy who is constantly criticising Marvel characters for any criminal activity and lack of respect for the Government , you've changed your tune.  

It's actually the Department Of Damage Control...a joint venture involving Tony Stark and THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.


After he assaulted a Federal Agent.  Wow, this really goes against what you have criticised in the past.  Is this a new you?  Or just a slip up during one of your usual ill thought out keyboard mashing biased anti MCU posts.

Especially since those DC movies he lists have a flawed premise to start with. It acts like Superman or Batman couldn't have loved ones or a life outside of being Superman and Batman.

This isn't true, there are plenty of heroes with similar responsibilities who managed to still find time for loved ones and not being miserable all the time. Bruce Wayne could have love AND be Batman if he put the effort in, and Superman could find time to be with Lois and be Superman.

I never understood where this idea it had to be all or nothing came from. It's blatantly untrue.

That's another reason why MCU movies are so awful. Superman couldn't have a normal life because as soon as someone like Lex finds out who Superman's significant other is, that person is in danger of being kidnapped by Lex as well as Superman's mother also in danger of being kidnapped and nearly killed by Lex.

In Civil War, you get villains like Zemo with dumb-ass convoluted schemes who say "The Avengers killed my family. But even though I know all of their identities and all the people they love, I'm not going to go after their families. Instead of trying to find where Hawkeye's wife and children live so I can go after them, I'll going to spend all my time searching for a videotape from 25 years ago. I know that's a stupid and convoluted scheme, but that's what the dumb-ass script says to do and what the even dumber-ass directors told me to do."

Nah, they just have people who act like people.



He could have a normal life if he was competent enough to keep his family safe. The only reason they were endangered was because Clark was incompetent.



Much better plans than Luthor.

No, you just need to be able to abuse them in a way that hurts. Emotional and intellectual abuse are both still forms of abuse.

Get with the times, old man.

it's an opinion, but an uninformed one.

- Pleople should refrain from prefacing complex matters with "simple", in professional and private life this always is an indication that what follows is simply coming from a simpleton who has not thought it through.

- People should learn what words mean. "Cinematic" does not mean character-based.

- History shows that DC characters have dominated movies and (typically more character based) TV shows for decades. The milstone genre films are Superman and Batman, recently Wonder Woman too. There are countless character based shows as well (e.g, on Superman, eg Smallville).

- Even if the assumption was correct that DC characters are more centered around their abilities than their characters - which is blatantly wrong, they are just more mature, less juvenile personalities than other cartoon characters - it's a writer's job to prove this wrong by way of writing abilities. These are fictional charaters after all, Batman has embodied everything from cartoon clown to dark muderous fascist.