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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:57:21 GMT
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Post by hardball on Apr 4, 2018 14:13:27 GMT
I thought the musical crossover was ok. I actually thought about skipping it back then as I am not really into that stuff, so I was surprised that it was good.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 4, 2018 14:41:04 GMT
Melissa's ok. More of a karaoke episode than full out musical episode, which seems different; they're aware of and are intentionally singing, verses musicals where the singing is more compulsory, and people are often oblivious to the fact they're singing.
I'm kind of ambivalent. I like a good musical number, and it was fun watching Wally and Rip sing Careless Whisper, but it was also kind of disonsnt; and the kind of irreverent moment that might be fine in small doses, but is something all of the DC/CW shows have been doing too much of lately. They're becoming too satirical.
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Post by hardball on Apr 4, 2018 14:43:28 GMT
Stating the obvious, but the contrast in tone between the DC TV shows and movies is just striking.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 4, 2018 18:14:52 GMT
Legends of Tomorrow can go back to the Old West and take part in a good old fashioned work song.
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Post by dazz on Apr 5, 2018 23:55:30 GMT
Ok maybe one scene of karaoke will be fine but please god no more, too much of this bullshit...I cant....no more...please...ugh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:50:28 GMT
Stating the obvious, but the contrast in tone between the DC TV shows and movies is just striking. Yes. It is. The TV shows are much lighter than the movies are but I think we might see a change in that as things go on 'cause both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' are being described as light movies while shows like 'Titans' and 'Project 13' (if it still goes through) sound like they could end up being darker than the shows we have in the 'Arrowverse.' Then there is 'Y: The Last Man' which I just started a thread about and that is going to have an entirely different tone than all the DC TV shows.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:52:04 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 6, 2018 21:07:43 GMT
Ask and ye shall receive.
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Post by hardball on Apr 7, 2018 2:56:12 GMT
Stating the obvious, but the contrast in tone between the DC TV shows and movies is just striking. Yes. It is. The TV shows are much lighter than the movies are but I think we might see a change in that as things go on 'cause both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' are being described as light movies while shows like 'Titans' and 'Project 13' (if it still goes through) sound like they could end up being darker than the shows we have in the 'Arrowverse.' Then there is 'Y: The Last Man' which I just started a thread about and that is going to have an entirely different tone than all the DC TV shows. Yeah with Snyder gone there will be a tonal shift in the DCEU, and I hope they brighten up the colors too. Honestly the bluish gray filter used in the DCEU bothers me more than the lack of humor.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 7, 2018 14:43:55 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the filter either. It's probably my least favorite aspect of the DCEU. Big fan of natural colors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:28:07 GMT
Yes. It is. The TV shows are much lighter than the movies are but I think we might see a change in that as things go on 'cause both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' are being described as light movies while shows like 'Titans' and 'Project 13' (if it still goes through) sound like they could end up being darker than the shows we have in the 'Arrowverse.' Then there is 'Y: The Last Man' which I just started a thread about and that is going to have an entirely different tone than all the DC TV shows. Yeah with Snyder gone there will be a tonal shift in the DCEU, and I hope they brighten up the colors too. Honestly the bluish gray filter used in the DCEU bothers me more than the lack of humor. I think getting rid of Zac Snyder is going to turn out to be the best move Warner Bros have made. I was sorry to hear about why he had to leave 'Justice League' and wouldn't wish such a horrible thing on anybody but I think he is very out of touch when it comes to making DC movies and there are better people out there that are more suited for the job. I would love to see Scott Snyder write a Batman movie. That is a Snyder that knows the ins and outs of the character.
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Post by dazz on Apr 9, 2018 10:34:15 GMT
I don't think Snyder was as much the blame as people make out, I think it was the WB execs which is also why JL & SS suffered but Wonder Woman was able to shine, it had the least interference and Patty Jenkins for the most part was allowed to do what she wanted.
I mean imo MOS is a good film, there are certain issues I have with it, 2 being how Superman defeats Zod and also the making out between Superman & Lois amidst the destruction of metropolis, both of these imo are Snyder issues though imo, a lot of the other stuff feels like interference from a studio or a mandate, like it just makes more sense that it's an exec demanding these things, if it were just Snyder then SS shouldn't have had the same issues, and JL once Snyder was gone should have improved but from the sounds of things the Snyder version of JL was a better story, and we know Whedon can write good shit so it seems unlikely the problems in restructuring the film come from his end.
I think the restructuring of WB & DC Films is what will help the movies going forward not the removal of Zack Snyder, but I for one would love if the studio would use more of the comic writers even just as an outline group and then a QA for the script, that way they can bare bones a plot and then smooth over any rough spots in another writers story to fit the characters more, especially if they use writers who have had long associations with the characters the film is based on, doubt it will happen though as theres a stupid prejudice against comic writers in Hollywood it seems.
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Post by hardball on Apr 10, 2018 13:31:03 GMT
Yeah with Snyder gone there will be a tonal shift in the DCEU, and I hope they brighten up the colors too. Honestly the bluish gray filter used in the DCEU bothers me more than the lack of humor. I think getting rid of Zac Snyder is going to turn out to be the best move Warner Bros have made. I was sorry to hear about why he had to leave 'Justice League' and wouldn't wish such a horrible thing on anybody but I think he is very out of touch when it comes to making DC movies and there are better people out there that are more suited for the job. I would love to see Scott Snyder write a Batman movie. That is a Snyder that knows the ins and outs of the character. Personally I thought Man of Steel, BVS and JL were ok films. Not perfect but enjoyablle. But even so I know how divisive they are, and you can't have that for a shared cinematic universe. And for this I blame WB. When MOS got mixd reviews, that should have been the time to dismiss Snyder and get another director. WB should have known what was going to happen to BVS given Snyder's style. I also heard rumors that Whedon was fired from Batgirl because he wasn't able to fix Justice League. I hope that's not true because surely what happened there can't be blamed on him. Anyway that's over and done with, and hopefully Aquaman meets critical and commercial success. Shazam too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 13:34:20 GMT
I think getting rid of Zac Snyder is going to turn out to be the best move Warner Bros have made. I was sorry to hear about why he had to leave 'Justice League' and wouldn't wish such a horrible thing on anybody but I think he is very out of touch when it comes to making DC movies and there are better people out there that are more suited for the job. I would love to see Scott Snyder write a Batman movie. That is a Snyder that knows the ins and outs of the character. Personally I thought Man of Steel, BVS and JL were ok films. Not perfect but enjoyablle. But even so I know how divisive they are, and you can't have that for a shared cinematic universe. And for this I blame WB. When MOS got mixd reviews, that should have been the time to dismiss Snyder and get another director. WB should have known what was going to happen to BVS given Snyder's style. I also heard rumors that Whedon was fired from Batgirl because he wasn't able to fix Justice League. I hope that's not true because surely what happened there can't be blamed on him. Anyway that's over and done with, and hopefully Aquaman meets critical and commercial success. Shazam too. Well, I don't think 'Man of Steel', 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and 'Justice League' are horrible films and I laugh when I see people calling them the worst movies of all time 'cause they haven't watched many films and if they watch a movie like 'Head of the House' they might reconsider that but I just found them to be disappointing and not as good as they could have been. 'Wonder Woman' has been the best movie in the DCEU so far in my opinion and I would say 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' was the worst 'cause there were a lot of things I didn't like about that movie and I thought it was a mistake to put Batman and Superman in a movie together before they had a solo Batman movie. I blame Warner Bros for a lot of the problems too and going back to 'Batman and Robin' a lot of the problems with that movie were 'cause of Warner Bros and if Joel had gone through with 'Batman Triumphant' (which was the script they used for the 'Arkham Knight' game) I think the original 'Batman' franchise would have lasted longer but Warner Bros wanted him to make everything light and comical for children and what we got was awful. I think they should make the DCEU a part of New Line Cinema and put the people in charge of that in charge of the DCEU. They seem to be going a lot better with their movies and could make good DC movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 13:43:43 GMT
I think the restructuring of WB & DC Films is what will help the movies going forward not the removal of Zack Snyder, but I for one would love if the studio would use more of the comic writers even just as an outline group and then a QA for the script, that way they can bare bones a plot and then smooth over any rough spots in another writers story to fit the characters more, especially if they use writers who have had long associations with the characters the film is based on, doubt it will happen though as theres a stupid prejudice against comic writers in Hollywood it seems. Yeah. That is what I want to see. There are so many good writers that work for DC and have worked for the company in the past 20 years that I think could write great movies with these characters like Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, Marv Wolfman, Jim Balent, Gail Simone, Tim Seeley, Paul Dini, Peter David, Marguerite Bennett, Jim Lee, Chuck Dixon, Greg Rucka, Steve Orlando, Hope Larson, Joshua Williamson, Sterling Gates, Scott Lobdell, Brenden Fletcher etc and some of them have offered to write movies but Warner Bros has turned them down. Getting the comic book writers involved even if it is only in some advisory type of role would help 'cause these are people that work with these characters all the time and know the ins and outs of them far more than some random Hollywood scriptwriter they get out of nowhere and I am surprised they don't let Geoff write one of the movies since he is the boss of DC and has written a lot of comic books over the year along with episodes of TV shows. Geoff was the one who wrote 'The Legion' and 'JSA' episodes in 'Smallville' and they were some of my favourites in the latter seasons and I think they should give him a chance. He can't do any worse than what they are doing.
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Post by hardball on Apr 14, 2018 14:28:58 GMT
Personally I thought Man of Steel, BVS and JL were ok films. Not perfect but enjoyablle. But even so I know how divisive they are, and you can't have that for a shared cinematic universe. And for this I blame WB. When MOS got mixd reviews, that should have been the time to dismiss Snyder and get another director. WB should have known what was going to happen to BVS given Snyder's style. I also heard rumors that Whedon was fired from Batgirl because he wasn't able to fix Justice League. I hope that's not true because surely what happened there can't be blamed on him. Anyway that's over and done with, and hopefully Aquaman meets critical and commercial success. Shazam too. Well, I don't think 'Man of Steel', 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and 'Justice League' are horrible films and I laugh when I see people calling them the worst movies of all time 'cause they haven't watched many films and if they watch a movie like 'Head of the House' they might reconsider that but I just found them to be disappointing and not as good as they could have been. 'Wonder Woman' has been the best movie in the DCEU so far in my opinion and I would say 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' was the worst 'cause there were a lot of things I didn't like about that movie and I thought it was a mistake to put Batman and Superman in a movie together before they had a solo Batman movie. I blame Warner Bros for a lot of the problems too and going back to 'Batman and Robin' a lot of the problems with that movie were 'cause of Warner Bros and if Joel had gone through with 'Batman Triumphant' (which was the script they used for the 'Arkham Knight' game) I think the original 'Batman' franchise would have lasted longer but Warner Bros wanted him to make everything light and comical for children and what we got was awful. I think they should make the DCEU a part of New Line Cinema and put the people in charge of that in charge of the DCEU. They seem to be going a lot better with their movies and could make good DC movies. I am also surprised at the level of hate BVS gets, although I can understand some of it. I mean, it's the first time we're going to see Batman and Superman on the big screen, live action and fighting it out. The trailer promised so much and failed to deliver. Yeah, it would have been better if they started with Batman and then when the movie ends, he comes across reports of Superman and investigates, and that will serve as the connection to the next DCEU film, Superman solo . Oh well. I thought Batman Forever was still all right mostly. It wasn't as dark as Returns but wasn't as over the top as Batman and Robin. In the end, the decision to make the films lighter was to sell more merchandise, and they ended up killing the franchise till the Nolan trilogy. RE Batman Triumphant. The film was cancelled following the critical and fan backlash over Batman and Robin. Schumacher actually called it Batman Unchained and he doesn't know why it's become known as Triumphant. Batman Triumphant would have been an interesting film (whether it would be good or bad is another matter). Schumacher wanted Nicholas Cage to portray Scarecrow. Harley Quinn was to be played by Courtney Love or Madonna and she was a toymaker who'd find out the Joker was her father. Scarecrow would develop a toxin that would force Batman to relive all his fears and guilt, so it was going to be dark. www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-triumphant/39336/batman-triumphant-examining-the-sequel-that-never-happened I checked New Line Cinema and yeah, they got an impressive resume. But it's not going to do a lot of good if the studio keeps interfering.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 15, 2018 12:29:17 GMT
I think they should have continued with Batman Unchained. I think advertising the new tone could have made for a good selling point and brought people back out of curiosity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:24:47 GMT
Well, I don't think 'Man of Steel', 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and 'Justice League' are horrible films and I laugh when I see people calling them the worst movies of all time 'cause they haven't watched many films and if they watch a movie like 'Head of the House' they might reconsider that but I just found them to be disappointing and not as good as they could have been. 'Wonder Woman' has been the best movie in the DCEU so far in my opinion and I would say 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' was the worst 'cause there were a lot of things I didn't like about that movie and I thought it was a mistake to put Batman and Superman in a movie together before they had a solo Batman movie. I blame Warner Bros for a lot of the problems too and going back to 'Batman and Robin' a lot of the problems with that movie were 'cause of Warner Bros and if Joel had gone through with 'Batman Triumphant' (which was the script they used for the 'Arkham Knight' game) I think the original 'Batman' franchise would have lasted longer but Warner Bros wanted him to make everything light and comical for children and what we got was awful. I think they should make the DCEU a part of New Line Cinema and put the people in charge of that in charge of the DCEU. They seem to be going a lot better with their movies and could make good DC movies. I am also surprised at the level of hate BVS gets, although I can understand some of it. I mean, it's the first time we're going to see Batman and Superman on the big screen, live action and fighting it out. The trailer promised so much and failed to deliver. Yeah, it would have been better if they started with Batman and then when the movie ends, he comes across reports of Superman and investigates, and that will serve as the connection to the next DCEU film, Superman solo . Oh well. I thought Batman Forever was still all right mostly. It wasn't as dark as Returns but wasn't as over the top as Batman and Robin. In the end, the decision to make the films lighter was to sell more merchandise, and they ended up killing the franchise till the Nolan trilogy. RE Batman Triumphant. The film was cancelled following the critical and fan backlash over Batman and Robin. Schumacher actually called it Batman Unchained and he doesn't know why it's become known as Triumphant. Batman Triumphant would have been an interesting film (whether it would be good or bad is another matter). Schumacher wanted Nicholas Cage to portray Scarecrow. Harley Quinn was to be played by Courtney Love or Madonna and she was a toymaker who'd find out the Joker was her father. Scarecrow would develop a toxin that would force Batman to relive all his fears and guilt, so it was going to be dark. www.denofgeek.com/movies/batman-triumphant/39336/batman-triumphant-examining-the-sequel-that-never-happened I checked New Line Cinema and yeah, they got an impressive resume. But it's not going to do a lot of good if the studio keeps interfering. Yeah. 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' was very disappointing and I was expecting it to be a better movie too but it was far from being the worst movie of all time and there have been far worse comic book movies in the past 30 years. There were a lot of rumours about 'Dawn of Justice' before it came out and people were leaking information about the movie on sites like Reddit that turned out to be untrue like Batgirl and Nightwing being in the movie and Batman and Nightwing having to work together after not talking to each other for over a decade and it is hard to believe all those people that leak things like that 'cause so many of them turn out to be untrue. I remember somebody went to all the trouble of writing 10 full pages about 'Arkham Knight' before the game came out and had the 'Suicide Squad' in it and the Arkham Knight turning out to be Damian Wayne and none of it was true and you wonder why people waste to much time making up things like that. The thing about 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' though is the hate for it was very rampant before the movie even came out just like 'Man of Steel' and there were threads on the board calling it the worst movie ever made months before the movie was in cinemas and it was kinda similar with 'Wonder Woman' with many people saying it was going to flop harder than Ghostbusters (2016) and the end of the DCEU but there an additional hate for that having a female superhero as lead.
The trailer did promise a lot of things that didn't happen and the 'Justice League' trailer was similar and there was a scene in the trailer of 'Justice League' that didn't make the final movie that people were saying was Supergirl or Green Lantern and if it was one of those two they were taken out of the movie but it looks unlikely now. I liked 'Batman Forever' too and that was very successful here (along with the soundtrack which had Seal's 'Kiss From A Rose' and 'U2's 'Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me') when it first came out and a lot of people were calling it the best 'Batman' movie ever made but after 'Batman & Robin' flopped a lot of fans turned on both of them. Some interesting things I read about those movies are the original choice to play Batman in 'Batman and Robin' was Arnold but Arnold wanted to play a villain for a change after always playing the hero and Drew Barrymore was originally Joel's pick to play Batgirl but he didn't know if they would get a chance to have Batgirl in a movie and gave her another role instead. I don't think Arnold could have worked as Batman unless he used a voicebox 'cause there is no way people couldn't pick him with his voice and know he is Bruce Wayne 'cause he has a unique voice that stands out.
Thanks for sharing that about 'Batman Triumphant.' I heard a few things about that and Jason Todd was rumoured to make his first appearance in it and Dick Grayson was going to leave at the end 'cause they had a 'Nightwing' solo movie set up that I think was going to lead to 'Titans' if it had been successful. I liked 'Arkham Knight' and I thought they focused a little too much on the Batmobile and the identity of the Arkham Knight was predictable but I think that could have made a good movie and I loved their version of the Scarecrow with the disfigured face and John Noble playing the voice and that is the Scarecrow they should use in movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:28:19 GMT
I think they should have continued with Batman Unchained. I think advertising the new tone could have made for a good selling point and brought people back out of curiosity. Yeah. I think you might be right. Even though 'Batman & Robin' wasn't well received I think a lot of people still would have gone to see another movie especially with the new tone being advertised and I often wonder what they would have done if they had kept going in the original timeline 'cause we already know they were planning on making a 'Nightwing' movie and a 'Birds of Prey' movie was rumoured and continuing would have most likely lead to us seeing the full Bat Family on screen provided the following movies were successful. It could still be going now instead of the DCEU and we could be seeing 'Batman' movies with the Spoiler, Orphan, Red Robin, Bluebird and the Signal at the front.
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