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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 1:24:03 GMT
All ANH tells us is that the Jedi Knights were wiped out, it never says how the Empire defeated the rest of the Republic's armies and fleets. Or where the Emperor came from to begin with. Truth. Rey can do no right according to you. Nope, Han is shown as the better combatant, a 70 year old man compared to a healthy 20-something. As far as OT fans are concerned, the ST cast shouldn't have been good at anything. Which explains the "incompetent bumbling sidekicks" stuff. There is no incompetent bumbling sidekick stuff! It's a lying narrative that you created. The irony is that you're the one that wants it. You want Finn to be a clown. You are a lying troll clown. And you're still wrong about all of that stuff. Every time you lie I'm going to call you on it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 1:32:04 GMT
Still lying... still showing no proof. Every critique about Rey being too tough.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 1:56:26 GMT
All ANH tells us is that the Jedi Knights were wiped out, it never says how the Empire defeated the rest of the Republic's armies and fleets. Or where the Emperor came from to begin with. Truth. Rey can do no right according to you. Nope, Han is shown as the better combatant, a 70 year old man compared to a healthy 20-something. As far as OT fans are concerned, the ST cast shouldn't have been good at anything. Which explains the "incompetent bumbling sidekicks" stuff. There is no incompetent bumbling sidekick stuff! It's a lying narrative that you created. No, people who keep saying Rey is too tough and too strong are the ones who created it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 1:58:34 GMT
There is no incompetent bumbling sidekick stuff! It's a lying narrative that you created. No, people who keep saying Rey is too tough and too strong are the ones who created it. Nobody is saying that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 2:38:55 GMT
No, people who keep saying Rey is too tough and too strong are the ones who created it. Nobody is saying that. "Rey is a Mary Sue, too strong and too tough and too everything else. Typical Disney Warrior Princess." So they want the opposite, an incompetent bungling sidekick of Lukes'.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 11, 2018 2:58:20 GMT
"Rey is a Mary Sue, too strong and too tough and too everything else. Typical Disney Warrior Princess." So they want the opposite, an incompetent bungling sidekick of Lukes'. Your delusion that one extreme be replaced with another is a laugh. As if a characterization is limited to one of two choices..god mode or bumbling sidekick with no character existing in the multitude of levels between.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 3:46:31 GMT
"Rey is a Mary Sue, too strong and too tough and too everything else. Typical Disney Warrior Princess." So they want the opposite, an incompetent bungling sidekick of Lukes'. Your delusion that one extremebe replaced with another is a laugh. As if a characterization is limited to one of two choices..good mode or bumbling sidekick with no character existing in the multitude of levels between. Exactly! He should never become a paint salesman. If a customer asked him for light gray or off-white, he would hand them a can of ebony black and look at them like they were crazy for expecting something different.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 9:18:17 GMT
if there were "Invaders from another Galaxy" (like the Dominium, The Shadows etc) how would that be like the Separatist movement, it would be something completely different never seen in the movies. How would that be a no win situation? How can you create a false dilemma when you yourself point out a third option? Non sequitur Dude the idea of a threat existing outside of Galaxy that Star Wars is set in actually sounds like a pretty good idea. There's a lot of potential in a story like that. Hopefully one of those spin-off trilogies does something like that. its not even an original idea. I always imagined they would go with the ST like this
1. Have a in-galaxy factions fight between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant (lead not by a Palpatine-Clone but a different leader, like Thrawn who is not entirely evil but fanatical) and maybe some factions in the outer rim like Hutts raiding the weakend galaxy (the "Familiar")
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2. The real threat playing these factions is coming from the outside, a new enemy ready to overtake, exploit and control - which is indicated in part 1 but finally revealed in 2. They are different from the empire in design and philosophy (can introduce new Force stuff too) like they did in DS9 (Dominion), Bab5 (Shaddow war), GoT (White Walkers), STtnG (Borg), etc. Maybe some crazy stuff like they come via wormhole and can alter and bend the fabric of spacetime (speeding up, invisibility, manipulate gravity/black holes and ripping apart worlds) , and harvest the galaxy somehow (tbd). They should be creepy & alien unlike the Empire or Seperatists who were traditional.
3. There must be a "red & purple wedding" event (stakes), and factions allying and opposing with the new Threat to ensure survival, I would like to see the Thrawn-Imperials and Republic form an ueasy truce and alliance.
At least it somehow fresh, but still familiar and you could use all the old design stuff plus give something new. But that would mean to come up with fresh ideas (new ships, new concepts etc.)
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 10:59:30 GMT
"Rey is a Mary Sue, too strong and too tough and too everything else. Typical Disney Warrior Princess." So they want the opposite, an incompetent bungling sidekick of Lukes'. Your delusion that one extremebe replaced with another is a laugh. As if a characterization is limited to one of two choices..good mode or bumbling sidekick with no character existing in the multitude of levels between. Given the criticism she gets over her every action, the hatedom obviously don't want Rey to be good at anything. At all. She can't fly a ship, she can't shoot a gun, she can't use the Force...I dunno what they WANT her to be able to do but obviously they don't want her to be good at anything!
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Post by ryboto on Apr 11, 2018 12:14:32 GMT
Your delusion that one extremebe replaced with another is a laugh. As if a characterization is limited to one of two choices..good mode or bumbling sidekick with no character existing in the multitude of levels between. Given the criticism she gets over her every action, the hatedom obviously don't want Rey to be good at anything. At all. She can't fly a ship, she can't shoot a gun, she can't use the Force...I dunno what they WANT her to be able to do but obviously they don't want her to be good at anything! You're still missing the point.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 13:41:05 GMT
Given the criticism she gets over her every action, the hatedom obviously don't want Rey to be good at anything. At all. She can't fly a ship, she can't shoot a gun, she can't use the Force...I dunno what they WANT her to be able to do but obviously they don't want her to be good at anything! You're still missing the point. The point is that Rey apparently can't be allowed to be good at anything, so "Luke's bumbling sidekick" seems to be all that's left to her.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 15:48:40 GMT
You're still missing the point. The point is that Luke apparently can't be allowed to be good at anything, so "Rey's bumbling sidekick" seems to be all that's left to him.Fixed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 16:11:22 GMT
The point is that Luke apparently can't be allowed to be good at anything, so "Rey's bumbling sidekick" seems to be all that's left to him.Fixed. Funny, TLJ still made him out to be the more powerful one and the one more remembered by everyone than Rey.
Of course, that's' not good enough. Rey has to be pathetic and useless next to him. Just like how Finn had to be less physically capable than 70 year old Han.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 16:31:11 GMT
Funny, TLJ still made him out to be the more powerful one and the one more remembered by everyone than Rey.
Of course, that's' not good enough. Rey has to be pathetic and useless next to him. Just like how Finn had to be less physically capable than 70 year old Han.
It absolutely did not make Luke out to be more powerful. Rey beat the crap out of Luke when she demanded Luke answer questions about Kylo on Achto. You're lying and twisting the facts of what was portrayed to try and justify Luke being a grumpy, inept hermit... and Rey being an over-the-top MarySue.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:06:16 GMT
Funny, TLJ still made him out to be the more powerful one and the one more remembered by everyone than Rey.
Of course, that's' not good enough. Rey has to be pathetic and useless next to him. Just like how Finn had to be less physically capable than 70 year old Han.
It absolutely did not make Luke out to be more powerful. Rey beat the crap out of Luke when she demanded Luke answer questions about Kylo on Achto. The same way Yoda feigned weakness around Luke in ESB or Obi-Wan didn't show off all his Force Powers in ANH (the ones he had in the Prequels). Luke wasn't bothering to fight back because he didn't care, and at the end showed more power than Rey ever had. As opposed to how you'd have enjoyed her being Luke's bumbling, good-for-nothing sidekick who is there to maintain how awesome Luke is.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 17:32:49 GMT
It absolutely did not make Luke out to be more powerful. Rey beat the crap out of Luke when she demanded Luke answer questions about Kylo on Achto. The same way Yoda feigned weakness around Luke in ESB Yoda wasn't feigning, moron! Yoda was 900 years old! He was at the edge of his species lifespan in TESB. Possibly even have surpassed it already. Even in the prequels he always acted exhausted after using the Force to do all of that flipping. And he was walking with a cane! You should really be embarrassed about your grasp of SW.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:52:14 GMT
Yoda wasn't feigning, moron!/
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 18:28:46 GMT
Yoda wasn't feigning, moron!/ Nope! Swing and a (lying) miss! Try again. And Luke was never shot and hurt in TLJ!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 18:31:15 GMT
Nope! Swing and a (lying) miss! Try again. And Luke was never shot and hurt in TLJ! I was talking about Kylo in TFA, he was fighting Rey with a handicap. And plus, he barely had any real experience fighting someone else with a lightsaber, he hadn't fought one since he ran from Uncle Luke.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 18:42:09 GMT
Nope! Swing and a (lying) miss! Try again. And Luke was never shot and hurt in TLJ! I was talking about Kylo in TFA, he was fighting Rey with a handicap. And plus, he barely had any real experience fighting someone else with a lightsaber, he hadn't fought one since he ran from Uncle Luke. So now you're moving goalposts! LOL! We were talking about Luke and Rey on Achto. This pathetic trolling of epic proportions...
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